Absolutely nauseating...Toddlers and Tiaras

[princessmom29]

Again, referring to the outfits put on the children, I never said your child or anyone else's child was dancing like a hoochie.

You edited that post. Originally you said "hoochie is hoochie wether you are a pagent girl or not". You went back and fixed to look like you were talking about dresses and not kids.

 

[princessmom29]

Once more, talking about the PARENT glitzing the kid up, NOT the child being a tart.

You must be exhausted by the end of the day reading things into what other people say. Have a nice iced tea with a lemon wedge. Put your feet up, relax. No one is "attacking" you, I have my opinion, you have yours. I haven't once been mean or nasty to you. I simply don't believe one child's fun/dreams are more respectable than anothers because I choose not to have my child participate in it.

again, you are now going back and editing what you originally said to make it look more acceptable and cast the blame on mr for overreacting. You siad what you siad, even if you don't want to own up to that now.

 

[Big Cuddly Bear]

No lie... first time I saw that girl from CO... Jon Bonet Ramsey? .... I just caught a glimpse of her on TV and thought she was like 20 years old.

 

[FredinFL]

You edited that post. Originally you said "hoochie is hoochie wether you are a pagent girl or not". You went back and fixed to look like you were talking about dresses and not kids.

No, I did not. If you need to think that to make yourself feel better, go right ahead. You are really overestimating your importance to me. If you read the quote, it still says exactly that.

Also, I wasn't being critical of the activities, just comparing it to the activity YOU already had disapproved of.

You're awfully defensive, and seem to be looking for a fight. Maybe you could use a nap.

 

[FredinFL]

Just for your edification, these quotes are from posts #22 and #38, in their entirety, just as a wrote them.

 

[princessmom29]

No, I did not. If you need to think that to make yourself feel better, go right ahead. You are really overestimating your importance to me. If you read the quote, it still says exactly that.

Also, I wasn't being critical of the activities, just comparing it to the activity YOU already had disapproved of.

You're awfully defensive, and seem to be looking for a fight. Maybe you could use a nap.

If you cannot even be honest I don't think there is any point in discussing it further with you. It shows right at the bottom of the post that it has been edited since it was originally posted. You obviously DID edit it. The condescending, nasty tone is getting old, and you refuse to be honest about what you did. This is becoming pointless.

 

[torinsmom]

You edited that post. Originally you said "hoochie is hoochie wether you are a pagent girl or not". You went back and fixed to look like you were talking about dresses and not kids.

That's still what the post says, when I go back and look at post 38, so what am I missing? And another poster quoted her in post 41 and the posts look identical to me. That was 15 minutes after her original post and before anyone complained about her using the word hoochie. I don't know why she would have edited it for that reason in that 15 minutes.

again, you are now going back and editing what you originally said to make it look more acceptable and cast the blame on mr for overreacting. You siad what you siad, even if you don't want to own up to that now.

Post 22, the one that mentions "tartin' up your kids" does not even have an edited thing attached to it. It would if it had been edited. BTW, I edit my posts a lot, because I notice I spelled something wrong or my link didn't work, etc.

BTW, I edited this right after I posted because I forgot a word in a sentence ;-)

I tend to be overly sensitive on these boards when someone keeps debating with me. I have learned just to take what I can from threads and leave the rest. It works really well for me.

 

[castmember19]

Post 22, the one that mentions "tartin' up your kids" does not even have an edited thing attached to it. It would if it had been edited. BTW, I edit my posts a lot, because I notice I spelled something wrong or my link didn't work, etc.

BTW, I edited this right after I posted because I forgot a word in a sentence ;-)

I tend to be overly sensitive on these boards when someone keeps debating with me. I have learned just to take what I can from threads and leave the rest. It works really well for me.

I can't believe I'm actually commenting on this debate but that's not always true. I edit my posts constantly and I find that the "edited" never comes up if I do the quick edit and not the "advanced" edit, I guess you could say.

I feel silly for getting involved. I'm going away now.

 

[rie'smom]

again, you are now going back and editing what you originally said to make it look more acceptable and cast the blame on mr for overreacting. You siad what you siad, even if you don't want to own up to that now.

Unless she edited immediately, w/in seconds, there would be a blurb stating that she edited her post and it would also state the time and the date.

 

[princessmom29]

Unless she edited immediately, w/in seconds, there would be a blurb stating that she edited her post and it would also state the time and the date.

Yes, And it does on the post in question, the original place she uised the word hooche. That post is showing as edited when I look at it now. Does it not for you?

 

[FredinFL]

If you cannot even be honest I don't think there is any point in discussing it further with you. It shows right at the bottom of the post that it has been edited since it was originally posted. You obviously DID edit it. The condescending, nasty tone is getting old, and you refuse to be honest about what you did. This is becoming pointless.

I edited it on the day I wrote it, a few minutes after I first posted. It shows that right on the note that says I edited. You never do that? I didn't edit it for you.

If what I've said hits a mark for you, sorry. Pretend I've changed all my posts to make you look bad. I don't care.

 

[princessmom29]

That's still what the post says, when I go back and look at post 38, so what am I missing? And another poster quoted her in post 41 and the posts look identical to me. That was 15 minutes after her original post and before anyone complained about her using the word hoochie. I don't know why she would have edited it for that reason in that 15 minutes.



Post 22, the one that mentions "tartin' up your kids" does not even have an edited thing attached to it. It would if it had been edited. BTW, I edit my posts a lot, because I notice I spelled something wrong or my link didn't work, etc.

BTW, I edited this right after I posted because I forgot a word in a sentence ;-)

I tend to be overly sensitive on these boards when someone keeps debating with me. I have learned just to take what I can from threads and leave the rest. It works really well for me.

She did edit the post with the links to the pictures quickly, to add more about the the dresses/costumes. It read to me the first time I read it like she was saying the the girls were hooche, not the outfits. It was quickly changed, I guess once she thought better of what she was saying but initally it read as if she was calling the girls hoochies.

 

[FredinFL]

Um, no, I edited it to add the links to the outfits. I never called anyone's child a hoochie.

 

[rie'smom]

Yes, And it does on the post in question, the original place she uised the word hooche. That post is showing as edited when I look at it now. Does it not for you?

I must have looked at the wrong post.

In any event, my daughter was a competition cheerleader. They did not wear midriff bearing uniforms.

This whole thread is about choices made by parents and in some cases by parents and their children. There will always be people who judge how we raise our children. Who cares what someone else says? If we know that we're doing right by our kids, then that is all that matters. I don't and won't defend the way I raise my kids because what my husband and I decide as parents is right for our children.

Really folks, this is a tv program. As I posted before, they edit it to elicit viewer response and to get people to tune in either because they love it or hate it. It's manipulation and apparently, it's working.

 

[FredinFL]

I must have looked at the wrong post.

In any event, my daughter was a competition cheerleader. They did not wear midriff bearing uniforms.

This whole thread is about choices made by parents and in some cases by parents and their children. There will always be people who judge how we raise our children. Who cares what someone else says? If we know that we're doing right by our kids, then that is all that matters. I don't and won't defend the way I raise my kids because what my husband and I decide as parents is right for our children.

Really folks, this is a tv program. As I posted before, they edit it to elicit viewer response and to get people to tune in either because they love it or hate it. It's manipulation and apparently, it's working.

 

[MissyDVC]

This whole thread is about choices made by parents and in some cases by parents and their children. There will always be people who judge how we raise our children. Who cares what someone else says? If we know that we're doing right by our kids, then that is all that matters. I don't and won't defend the way I raise my kids because what my husband and I decide as parents is right for our children.

I agree. My daughter is a competitive dancer and I would never care what anyone thought of our choices. She is happy. It is her choice to be there and we are happy and proud of her.

 

[CurlyGirl]

I am watching Toddlers and Tiaras now and it's the Makenzie vs. Eden episode. All I have to say is that each and every one of those little girls look like the most unnatural things I've ever seen in my life. For the life of me, I do not know why they have to get all dressed up and gunked up with make up. Can't they just let their natural beauty show through? I would love nothing more than to see these pageants be "all natural" where there is no make up, no gradiose costuming, etc. I'd love to see them issue a pair of jeans and a t-shirt to each kid so they're all dressed the same with fresh scrubbed faces and their own natural hair. No flippers, natural hair with nothing in/on it (ie: no curling irons, flattening irons, falls, extensions, weaves, wigs, whatever).

And that little Makenzie is a mouthy little thing!

Makenzie's mom said she doesn't want to break it to Makenzie that she didn't win anything and she left the room. Well, when the kid doesn't get a title or a crown or trophy, don't you think she's going to know!? And the mother leaves the kid there to face the music with her aunts? Honestly? That mother should've been out there and not back stage because the mother couldn't handle it!

And Eden's mom just said "Don't cry - you're on camera" because she didn't win the Grand Supreme title and the princess bed. The mother keeps saying "You're on camera, don't cry! People are watching you, stop crying!" And now Eden's mom said that she's waiting for the phone call for Eden to sign a two million dollar contract so she can say goodbye to her teacher job. Wait ... I thought these moms were in it for what it could get the girls ... not themselves!?

 

[rie'smom]

I have to say that like Makenzie's mom more than Eden's mom. She brags about Eden's book and Eden's doll but she omits saying that she's paid for the book to be published and for the doll to be manufactured.
It was great that another girl won!

 

[CurlyGirl]

I have to say that like Makenzie's mom more than Eden's mom. She brags about Eden's book and Eden's doll but she omits saying that she's paid for the book to be published and for the doll to be manufactured.
It was great that another girl won!

I swear, every time Eden's mom is on, all you hear is "Eden has a book. Eden has a doll." I don't think you get bragging rights when you pay for that to be done. I had a feeling that she paid for both of those since I couldn't imagine some random book or doll company wanting to publish a book about her and create a doll since she's only known in such a small circle. I guess it's all about getting your name out there whatever way it takes.

I was soooo happy that another girl won grand supreme, too.

 

[FredinFL]

It's sad. These are the kinds of mothers that ruin it regardless of what their child does.

While it might be nice to see a 'natural pageant', that's not the kind of thing that would probably catch on. It would be like watching a recital with kids wearing their street clothes. The froufrou is a major part of the package. These kids put a lot of effort into what they do, they should be able to dress it up and shine for a day.

Do some go too far? yup. But you have to remember that the people featured on these reality things are generally the most overthetop people they can find. The most extreme. No one is going to watch a season's worth of nice pageant parents and kids. They just want to sell the show.

I've watched some and in the back ground you can usually spot some more normal parents and their kids, sometimes they even win.

PS: I LOVED the Tom Hanks one, hysterical. If you haven't seen it, look it up on youtube.