Absolutely nauseating...Toddlers and Tiaras

[luvsJack]

It's sad. These are the kinds of mothers that ruin it regardless of what their child does.

While it might be nice to see a 'natural pageant', that's not the kind of thing that would probably catch on. It would be like watching a recital with kids wearing their street clothes. The froufrou is a major part of the package. These kids put a lot of effort into what they do, they should be able to dress it up and shine for a day.

Do some go too far? yup. But you have to remember that the people featured on these reality things are generally the most overthetop people they can find. The most extreme. No one is going to watch a season's worth of nice pageant parents and kids. They just want to sell the show.

I've watched some and in the back ground you can usually spot some more normal parents and their kids, sometimes they even win.

PS: I LOVED the Tom Hanks one, hysterical. If you haven't seen it, look it up on youtube.

There are pagents that are more of a happy medium, and they seem to do pretty good. They have the pagent dresses and SOME make-up and their hair done--no spray tans, no flippers, no huge amounts of make-up up to a certain age. The older girls add more make-up and may have a spray tan. There have been several of these around here.

Even the Jr. Miss Pagent girls are not made up as much as the children on this show.

 

[FredinFL]

If I remember correctly, lots of those are "high glitz" which I'm figuring means LOTS of makeup . I don't get the whole flipper thing, to me they look awful.

Also, and I may be wrong here, but it seems like a lot of those shows are contests in the south? Are there certain rounds of shows, for want of a better description, like NFL and AFL, with a grand superbowl at the end?

 

[goofy!]

Thought of this thread last night.

DD is doing a cheer 'camp' with a Down syndrome foundation and the Denver Bronco Cheerleaders which really culminates into this huge media blitz on Saturday with the Broncos and others. (The foundation is owned by the guy who owns Starz and Encore, so their things tend to have lots of celebrities at them.)

She has never done sideline cheer, so she and her friend that is also attending thought it hysterical when the Broncos taught them:

Bang Bang Choo Choo Train
Watch Us While We Shake Our "Thang"

I heard it ad nauseum on the 1.5 hour ride home. There was more to the cheer, but this was naturally their favorite part.

I started laughing during the practice as I watched all these girls sticking their booty out, shaking their pom poms while simultaneously "shaking their thang", and thought, wow, the DIS would have a field day with this. It was definitely more an NFL Cheerleader move Not sure they realized it may not be appropriate for the 7 year olds on the team.

Now, I have to add a caveat that the Bronco Cheerleaders are some of the nicest women you can ever, ever meet. And since NFL teams are dance teams, these ladies are all dancers. All the cheerleaders have Down syndrome and as typical with Down syndrome, there is a huge range of ability. So, pairs of kids have their own cheerleader as their mentor. My daughter happens to be a bit more high functioning, so she and Jenna have just been laughing and joking the whole week. The dance world, no matter what costumes they wore as kids, produced some pretty phenomenal women!!

Oh - I was fine with the cheer - it was all in good fun.

 

[luvsJack]

If I remember correctly, lots of those are "high glitz" which I'm figuring means LOTS of makeup . I don't get the whole flipper thing, to me they look awful.

Also, and I may be wrong here, but it seems like a lot of those shows are contests in the south? Are there certain rounds of shows, for want of a better description, like NFL and AFL, with a grand superbowl at the end?

I have no clue about the area, I am in the deep south and there are not a huge amount of pagents here locally but there are several that are not "high glitz" and the little girls look like little girls (I don't go, but have seen the pictures). I can't understand even wanting to do put your preschooler in a "high glitz" pagent.

Both of my sister's daughters were in the Jr. Miss Pagents. Both did their own hair and make up. They wore a bit extra make up because of being on stage and under those lights but nothing like what these little girls do.

 

[princessmom29]

It's sad. These are the kinds of mothers that ruin it regardless of what their child does.

While it might be nice to see a 'natural pageant', that's not the kind of thing that would probably catch on. It would be like watching a recital with kids wearing their street clothes. The froufrou is a major part of the package. These kids put a lot of effort into what they do, they should be able to dress it up and shine for a day.

Do some go too far? yup. But you have to remember that the people featured on these reality things are generally the most overthetop people they can find. The most extreme. No one is going to watch a season's worth of nice pageant parents and kids. They just want to sell the show.

I've watched some and in the back ground you can usually spot some more normal parents and their kids, sometimes they even win.

PS: I LOVED the Tom Hanks one, hysterical. If you haven't seen it, look it up on youtube.

What exactly is wrong with a recital in street clothes? We have 2 numbers every year that are production style numbers with multiple ages and levels of dance. WE don't order costumes for these. The girls put thier outfits together to fit the theme from street clothes. This year was "boogie shoes" and the girls wore neon tops with jean shorts and decorated $2 white tennis shoes from Wal-Mart with glow in the dark paints. I thought it was pretty cool.

 

[CurlyGirl]

What exactly is wrong with a recital in street clothes? We have 2 numbers every year that are production style numbers with multiple ages and levels of dance. WE don't order costumes for these. The girls put thier outfits together to fit the theme from street clothes. This year was "boogie shoes" and the girls wore neon tops with jean shorts and decorated $2 white tennis shoes from Wal-Mart with glow in the dark paints. I thought it was pretty cool.

My nieces are in dance. Their hip-hop costumes consist of camouflage pants purchased at Target with white t-shirts and their own jean jackets and high top Chuck Taylors. Street clothes.

Another is in a small group (4 girls) and their costumes are Old Navy haltar cotton sundresses and ballet slippers. I'd consider those street clothes, too.

 

[FredinFL]

What exactly is wrong with a recital in street clothes? We have 2 numbers every year that are production style numbers with multiple ages and levels of dance. WE don't order costumes for these. The girls put thier outfits together to fit the theme from street clothes. This year was "boogie shoes" and the girls wore neon tops with jean shorts and decorated $2 white tennis shoes from Wal-Mart with glow in the dark paints. I thought it was pretty cool.

I've typed up 3 things and have changed my mind (not, heaven forbid edited something) and all I'm going to say is:

Yes that sounds cute.

if they bought it for the show however, it wasn't their street clothes. By "street clothes" I mean an outfit they walk around in at school or something, not something bought for the occasion. If all your dance school ever does is some kind of "normal wear" productions, good for you . Most places glitz it up with costuming.


Now, The sky is blue.

Your turn.

 

[CurlyGirl]

I've typed up 3 things and have changed my mind (not, heaven forbid edited something) and all I'm going to say is:

Yes that sounds cute.

if they bought it for the show however, it wasn't their street clothes. By "street clothes" I mean an outfit they walk around in at school or something, not something bought for the occasion. If all your dance school ever does is some kind of "normal wear" productions, good for you . Most places glitz it up with costuming.


Now, The sky is blue.

Your turn.

As I stated in my earlier post, my nieces already owned the jean jackets and sneakers and wore them many times prior to the recital. While they bought the camo pants for the recital, they wore them before performing in them so they would look worn as opposed to brand new. As for the dresses, my niece wore hers to the vegan wedding I posted about. So, sorry -- if they get worn on a regular basis, prior to and/or after the recital, I consider those things street clothes as they would never wear any of their other costumes (the blinged out ones) in public.

 

[Theosus]

Loved the new show! Eden Wood got taken down a notch when she didn't sweep it, and bawled like the brat she is. Her competition didn't win either, some girl tlc completely ignored won. Shock, she was actually pretty.
Hahahahahaha!

 

[FredinFL]

As I stated in my earlier post, my nieces already owned the jean jackets and sneakers and wore them many times prior to the recital. While they bought the camo pants for the recital, they wore them before performing in them so they would look worn as opposed to brand new. As for the dresses, my niece wore hers to the vegan wedding I posted about. So, sorry -- if they get worn on a regular basis, prior to and/or after the recital, I consider those things street clothes as they would never wear any of their other costumes (the blinged out ones) in public.

Okay. You people are exhausting, or heavens sake, you guys act like I've just insulted you for crying out loud.

The point was that, at least **MOST** of the time at least **AROUND HERE IN THE 50 SQUARE MILES OF MY IMMEDIATE HOME**, the kids get to dress up in costumes for dance recitals.

Who knew a discussion about dance recitals could be so snippy.

.

 

[FredinFL]

**Please add an "f" on the "or" so it makes "for". I don't dast edit.

 

[luvsJack]

I've typed up 3 things and have changed my mind (not, heaven forbid edited something) and all I'm going to say is:

Yes that sounds cute.

if they bought it for the show however, it wasn't their street clothes. By "street clothes" I mean an outfit they walk around in at school or something, not something bought for the occasion. If all your dance school ever does is some kind of "normal wear" productions, good for you . Most places glitz it up with costuming.


Now, The sky is blue.
Your turn.

And just WHAT do you mean by THAT???

J/K--sorry couldn't resist, I don't mean to offend anyone.

Okay. You people are exhausting, or heavens sake, you guys act like I've just insulted you for crying out loud.

The point was that, at least **MOST** of the time at least **AROUND HERE IN THE 50 SQUARE MILES OF MY IMMEDIATE HOME**, the kids get to dress up in costumes for dance recitals.

Who knew a discussion about dance recitals could be so snippy.

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Oh, my this is getting priceless!

And most of the ones around here dress up in costumes too. I got what you meant about the street clothes.

Actually dd's last hip hop costume was a costume to look like street clothes! The only pants that the dance teacher could find that she liked were too binding for their dance so they ordered the ones from the costume place.



Just a note to the dance moms: In showchoir this year they wore Converse. NOT a good idea. Some of the judges said that was just asking for a sprained ankle.

 

[princessmom29]

Okay. You people are exhausting, or heavens sake, you guys act like I've just insulted you for crying out loud.

The point was that, at least **MOST** of the time at least **AROUND HERE IN THE 50 SQUARE MILES OF MY IMMEDIATE HOME**, the kids get to dress up in costumes for dance recitals.

Who knew a discussion about dance recitals could be so snippy.

.

It is so snippy because you just have to get another dig in. I just don't get why you feel the need to do that? Why can't you let it go? What has dance ever done to you to make you hate it so? Frankly, your tone and contiunued sniping at dance is pretty insulting. There is absolutely nothing wrong with age appropiate dance costumes NOTHING. They are not a requirment, but are nice to have. They are not trampy, hoochie, tarted up or any one the other nasty things you have said. Sometimes it is fun to do something different and make a costume from street clothes, which are clothes that are suitable to be worn on the street. There is no requirment that they be previously owned to be considered street clothes. That is just ridiculous. As is your continued hacking away at dance. We get it, you don't like it.

 

[princessmom29]

Just a note to the dance moms: In showchoir this year they wore Converse. NOT a good idea. Some of the judges said that was just asking for a sprained ankle.

Actually it depends on what you will be doing in them as to wether they are a good idea or not. Hip hop shoes are really just tennis shoes with a split sole. We have used the mbefroe with good results.

 

[DeluxePrincess]

I have to say that like Makenzie's mom more than Eden's mom.

Me too. If Makenzie could control her behavior on set, she might make one heck of an actress with a good shot at the "Hollywood" career that Eden's mother seeks.

 

[FredinFL]

It is so snippy because you just have to get another dig in. I just don't get why you feel the need to do that? Why can't you let it go? What has dance ever done to you to make you hate it so? Frankly, your tone and contiunued sniping at dance is pretty insulting. There is absolutely nothing wrong with age appropiate dance costumes NOTHING. They are not a requirment, but are nice to have. They are not trampy, hoochie, tarted up or any one the other nasty things you have said. Sometimes it is fun to do something different and make a costume from street clothes, which are clothes that are suitable to be worn on the street. There is no requirment that they be previously owned to be considered street clothes. That is just ridiculous. As is your continued hacking away at dance. We get it, you don't like it.

But I seriously didn't mean it as a dig, none of it was meant as a "dig", it's just the way I see it. Street clothes wasn't meant to be a dig, I swear I just meant that, after working hard, a fancy costume is kind of a reward, isn't it? It's fun to get dressed up and get out there, right?

**Sigh** I must be missing something because all I was ever trying to point out was that the costumes and makeup on the Toddler/Tiara show were no better or worse than costumes and makeup for any number of "show time" things kids do and I didn't get the hate.

Yes, some of the moms go overboard, those kind of moms are everywhere.

 

[FredinFL]

I'll reiterate that I never called anyone's child a hoochie OR a tart, both things you have accused me of because of your own misreadings. If I HAD called a child either of these things, I WOULD apologize because it would have been wrong. But I did not.

 

[princessmom29]

I'll reiterate that I never called anyone's child a hoochie OR a tart, both things you have accused me of because of your own misreadings. If I HAD called a child either of these things, I WOULD apologize because it would have been wrong. But I did not.

Thisw time i was referring to the costumes, not the children. Do you see now how I could have gotten confused??

 

[FredinFL]

Thisw time i was referring to the costumes, not the children. Do you see now how I could have gotten confused??

I do, I'll admit to sometimes being confusing. I would not think of someones child that tho, they are just little kids doing what they are having fun doing. The more sparkle the better for some, but I DO know some who...sit down...DON'T LOVE THE SPARKLE!

Have you ever heard of such a thing? My neighbor laughs because we find ways to sparkle even school projects.

 

[princessmom29]

But I seriously didn't mean it as a dig, none of it was meant as a "dig", it's just the way I see it. Street clothes wasn't meant to be a dig, I swear I just meant that, after working hard, a fancy costume is kind of a reward, isn't it? It's fun to get dressed up and get out there, right?

**Sigh** I must be missing something because all I was ever trying to point out was that the costumes and makeup on the Toddler/Tiara show were no better or worse than costumes and makeup for any number of "show time" things kids do and I didn't get the hate.

Yes, some of the moms go overboard, those kind of moms are everywhere.

Your posts don't come across that way. They come across as very anti-dance. You inital posts made it sound to me like you believed all dance costumes, or the vast majority, were "hoochie". I don't think all pagent outfits are too much or over the top. I think pagent makeup can be done tastefully. I think some pagent parents take it way too far. The same is true of dance.Some parents and studios take it too far. That was the point I was trying to make. NOT ALL dance costumes are "hoochie", but some certianly are. My beef with pagents doesn't lie with the costumes at all, but in waht I feel they teach little girls. I don't think dance teaches the same things. Other parents may feel different ly and that is thier right.