Absolutely nauseating...Toddlers and Tiaras

[Aisling]

**Please add an "f" on the "or" so it makes "for". I don't dast edit.

 

[princessmom29]

I do, I'll admit to sometimes being confusing. I would not think of someones child that tho, they are just little kids doing what they are having fun doing. The more sparkle the better for some, but I DO know some who...sit down...DON'T LOVE THE SPARKLE!

Have you ever heard of such a thing? My neighbor laughs because we find ways to sparkle even school projects.

I was the kid that didn't love the sparkle. I did it when I had to( recitals and such). I have been converted in my old age, mostly becuase DD loves it so much.

 

[FredinFL]

BTW I did say I edited to add the dress sites, but didn't change anything else. I'm sorry if you saw what I wrote as an attack on dance, it wasn't meant that way. I offer peace.

 

[hereyago]

I think it was Inside Edition tonight that reported Eden Wood at age 6 was going to "retire" from the pageants. she was supposed to go to Australia and people were writing things on her facebook page that weren't so nice and were "scary".

Her mom said she is on to bigger things like acting,etc. I wonder how much affect did the last pageant and not winning the big title played into her leaving?

 

[FredinFL]

Poor little Eden. Why would people want to say scary things to a kid, who's not old enough to have a facebook account, btw.

 

[hereyago]

Poor little Eden. Why would people want to say scary things to a kid, who's not old enough to have a facebook account, btw.

yea to the facebook thing, but her mom wanted her out there, so I imagine her mom set it up for all the Eden fans

 

[FredinFL]

Oh, I'm sure she did. Poor little kid. Now all that meaness is out there forever.

 

[Cantw8]

Would you people quit arguing with each other and just agree with me that I am right and this is nauseating

 

[low-key]

Would you people quit arguing with each other and just agree with me that I am right and this is nauseating

hey anit you the trouble maker that started this thread

 

[torinsmom]

Your posts don't come across that way. They come across as very anti-dance. You inital posts made it sound to me like you believed all dance costumes, or the vast majority, were "hoochie". I don't think all pagent outfits are too much or over the top. I think pagent makeup can be done tastefully. I think some pagent parents take it way too far. The same is true of dance.Some parents and studios take it too far. That was the point I was trying to make. NOT ALL dance costumes are "hoochie", but some certianly are. My beef with pagents doesn't lie with the costumes at all, but in waht I feel they teach little girls. I don't think dance teaches the same things. Other parents may feel different ly and that is thier right.

I think you should say her posts don't come across that way TO YOU. As someone who has no connection to dance, I didn't see anything wrong with her posts. I think it is hard to get tone on a message board and if you read a post that does not support your opinion, it is easy to give it the tone you want. Should she just not respond to this thread because you are taking her posts in a certain way? How is commenting on the definition of "street clothes" insulting dance? You keep going back to her hoochie comment, which is 10 pages back and she has explained already. It sounds like you both agree that there are extremes in both pageants and dance, so I don't get it.

 

[dis-happy]

Would you people quit arguing with each other and just agree with me that I am right and this is nauseating

Yes!!! And I came here hoping someone was commenting on the Red Bull incident.

 

[dis-happy]

I think you should say her posts don't come across that way TO YOU. As someone who has no connection to dance, I didn't see anything wrong with her posts.

Agreed. I too understand what she meant the first time around.
My ds plays tennis and even some of the girls' tennis outfits can be pretty "out there".

 

[goofy!]

Would you people quit arguing with each other and just agree with me that I am right and this is nauseating

ok

psssst - I have a confession. Calling the girls over for a cheer competition - I usually tell them it is time to get their hooker makeup on. It is good to laugh about some of the sillier things in your kids' sports.

 

[FredinFL]

Would you people quit arguing with each other and just agree with me that I am right and this is nauseating

Oh...it's YOU!

 

[PolyndianPrincessJes]

I think you should say her posts don't come across that way TO YOU. As someone who has no connection to dance, I didn't see anything wrong with her posts. I think it is hard to get tone on a message board and if you read a post that does not support your opinion, it is easy to give it the tone you want. Should she just not respond to this thread because you are taking her posts in a certain way? How is commenting on the definition of "street clothes" insulting dance? You keep going back to her hoochie comment, which is 10 pages back and she has explained already. It sounds like you both agree that there are extremes in both pageants and dance, so I don't get it.

Agreed. The posts didn't come across anti-dance to me, either. I teach, but during the summer I work at a camp where we teach dance, art, etc. The kids choose some "hoochie" outfits for their performances and music videos, and I definitely wasn't offended by the posts. Never know how things will be interpreted on a board, though.

 

[donnajon]

Someone posted on another site (and did so before the show aired so this made it seem credible to me) that Makenzie was NOT late for her 80's wear and they watched TLC film the announcer call her over and over after the competition was over. They also said that Eden was late to several of her performances.

 

[design_mom]

I think you should say her posts don't come across that way TO YOU. As someone who has no connection to dance, I didn't see anything wrong with her posts. I think it is hard to get tone on a message board and if you read a post that does not support your opinion, it is easy to give it the tone you want. Should she just not respond to this thread because you are taking her posts in a certain way? How is commenting on the definition of "street clothes" insulting dance? You keep going back to her hoochie comment, which is 10 pages back and she has explained already. It sounds like you both agree that there are extremes in both pageants and dance, so I don't get it.

I agree. I didn't think the posts came off as specifically anti-dance. And I completely understood her comment about street clothes.

This was our first year of dance and our first recital. I have watched several of the dances developing over the course of the year (there's a teen competition company practice in the studio right before DD's class) and the dances look really different on stage with the costumes, and the make up, and the lights, etc. than they look during practice (girls in sweats/leggings, sweaty hair in a ponytail.) They would not/do not look the same when everyone is in their practice clothes or showed up wearing whatever they wore to school that day. Although the "dance" is what is judged, the whole presentation is important, too. (To the point that our studio has a seamstress make the costumes for the competition teams. How embarrassing to show up and have another group wearing the same off-the-rack costume. )

I am definitely not anti-dance. DD really enjoyed dance and is considering getting even more involved next year (but she'd also like to try soccer... so I'm trying to decide how much commitment *mama* can handle!)

I do agree that T&T is nauseating and I do not think I would ever encourage my daughter to be in a pageant. It especially bothers me when they attempt to *change* a child's looks (false teeth, etc.) -- that's got to be sending the wrong message. However, I try to keep in mind that they're showing the extremes. If they set their minds to it, they could probably make a similar show about just about any child's activity (find a couple of over-the-top mothers, employ judicious editing, etc.).

 

[luvsJack]

Actually it depends on what you will be doing in them as to wether they are a good idea or not. Hip hop shoes are really just tennis shoes with a split sole. We have used the mbefroe with good results.

DD wore jazz boots when she was in hip hop (that is what their instructor required).

The converse were in Show Choir, so not really a dance genre, just general dance steps. Most of the other choirs wore some kind of dance shoe and we wore just plain ole Target converse (they went with the look she was trying to achieve), the judges (with a lot more experience than our instructor) told her that it wasn't a good idea because of the danger of a sprained ankle.

 

[joyjoy]

I cannot stand Eden's mother, with her wierd faces and delusional vision of her brat. About midway thru the show Eden was talking about something, probably Mackenzie, and did the same exact ugly face her mother does. I'm not sure which is worse, Mackenzie's gigantic flipper or her natural teeth that were ruined by sucking on a pacifier till she was 5 years old. Gross. And why does her mother seem like she's stoned all the time?

What I dislike most about pageants isn't the ridiculous wow wear or sparkly dresses that to me, all look exactly alike but in varying pastel shades, or the makeup or even mothers who think a 6 year old needs a facial and a massage to "prepare" for the next pageant- it's that they don't DO anything. To me, it's nothing more than a conformation dog show for little girls. They're judged on how they compare to the standard, but are not required to learn anything, say anything, perform anything (and no, I don't consider those idiotic 30 second "routines" they do any kind of accomplishment) or showcase any kind of talent. The more money the batty moms spend, the better their kid will do. And you know all of those Most Beautiful, Most Photogenic, Prettiest Hair (really?) awards? You have to pay extra to be in contention for one of those. And don't even try and tell me how their adorable personalities come across on stage, they look like painted robot babies. And no, I also cannot see them "smiling" with their eyes.

Before anyone points out to me that I certainly have a lot to say about something I clearly despise, I know. I know. I can't explain why I love to watch a show that is so despicable. All I can guess is that I kind of enjoy being appalled (I watch the gypsy show, too) and I have some kind of weakness for freak shows. It's a character flaw, for sure. Or at least one of my few guilty pleasures. So please don't judge me for judging.

PS - I do realize that conformation dog shows take a lot of work and preparation and a special dog. I did not intend to insult dog handlers/owners/breeders.

 

[rie'smom]

I cannot stand Eden's mother, with her wierd faces and delusional vision of her brat. About midway thru the show Eden was talking about something, probably Mackenzie, and did the same exact ugly face her mother does. I'm not sure which is worse, Mackenzie's gigantic flipper or her natural teeth that were ruined by sucking on a pacifier till she was 5 years old. Gross. And why does her mother seem like she's stoned all the time?

What I dislike most about pageants isn't the ridiculous wow wear or sparkly dresses that to me, all look exactly alike but in varying pastel shades, or the makeup or even mothers who think a 6 year old needs a facial and a massage to "prepare" for the next pageant- it's that they don't DO anything. To me, it's nothing more than a conformation dog show for little girls. They're judged on how they compare to the standard, but are not required to learn anything, say anything, perform anything (and no, I don't consider those idiotic 30 second "routines" they do any kind of accomplishment) or showcase any kind of talent. The more money the batty moms spend, the better their kid will do. And you know all of those Most Beautiful, Most Photogenic, Prettiest Hair (really?) awards? You have to pay extra to be in contention for one of those. And don't even try and tell me how their adorable personalities come across on stage, they look like painted robot babies. And no, I also cannot see them "smiling" with their eyes.

Before anyone points out to me that I certainly have a lot to say about something I clearly despise, I know. I know. I can't explain why I love to watch a show that is so despicable. All I can guess is that I kind of enjoy being appalled (I watch the gypsy show, too) and I have some kind of weakness for freak shows. It's a character flaw, for sure. Or at least one of my few guilty pleasures. So please don't judge me for judging.

PS - I do realize that conformation dog shows take a lot of work and preparation and a special dog. I did not intend to insult dog handlers/owners/breeders.

My niece has always seemed that way with my great niece who is now 18. As I watch them, Juana and Makenzie, I always think of my 2 family members. My niece wasn't stoned, she has a laid back personality which is a good thing when you have a child with an overabundance of personality.