A comment about moore's bad editing in F 9/11

[Dan Murphy]

Originally posted by Rutt and Tuke
I don't understand. You know this thread is a debate. You've looked at it. Why not just not click on the thread.

I don't understand. I know this turned into a debate, I miss the Debate Board. I said that.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by kbeverina
Remember the kid who flew a plane into a building in Florida? Had Bush been delivered that news right before speaking to a classroom, would it be reasonable for him to go on and meet the class and wait for further info? Or would an immediate departure, at the expense of security, be the most appropriate reaction?

Asked and answered. Plane was too small, and Tampa is not as relevant as NYC.

 

[jason]

Originally posted by dmadman43
And maybe the 3 chances the previous administration had to have bin Laden delivered to them on a platter and they did nothing also would have prevented this. Man, the 20/20 hindsight game is fun, isn't it?

I'm not saying he could have stoped it I'm talking about what went through his mind after the first plane hit. Knowing what he knew from the Pheonix Report it should have been obvious it was an attack. To us civillians of course it seemed like an accident, but I would hope the president is smarter than that with the info. he had.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by jason
I'm not saying he could have stoped it I'm talking about what went through his mind after the first plane hit. Knowing what he knew from the Pheonix Report it should have been obvious it was an attack. To us civillians of course it seemed like an accident, but I would hope the president is smarter than that with the info. he had.

Okay, let's go with that. So, buying back those supposed 7 minutes would have resulted in...what?

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

Originally posted by Dan Murphy
I don't understand. I know this turned into a debate, I miss the Debate Board. I said that.

But the debates are all so much more conveniently located here on the CB. You don't even have to go to a different board to find them. So I don't understand why you would miss the debate board.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by kbeverina
Remember the kid who flew a plane into a building in Florida? Had Bush been delivered that news right before speaking to a classroom, would it be reasonable for him to go on and meet the class and wait for further info? Or would an immediate departure, at the expense of security, be the most appropriate reaction?

You're comparing apples and oranges. Even immediate media accounts were describing the planes that hit the buildings as passenger airliners.

I live in Tampa Bay so yes, I recall the plane that hit the building in Tampa and could even see the boarded-up windows on my way to work. Media coverage of that event, within minutes, was also providing an accurate picture of the event.

The two events don't even compare. In fact, I'd risk the idea that if w HAD been in the area when that occurred his aides wouldn't even justify interrupting his photo-op with the info.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by dmadman43
True, no one here is. But the subject of the OP (Moore) certainly is.

Did you see the movie? Because you're incorrect in your statement. Sure, Moore comments on his handling of the situation but he doesn't imply that w caused 9/11.

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Did you see the movie? Because you're incorrect in your statement. Sure, Moore comments on his handling of the situation but he doesn't imply that w caused 9/11.

Exactly!

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by jason
To us civillians of course it seemed like an accident, but I would hope the president is smarter than that with the info. he had.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/foolbush.mov

 

[jason]

Originally posted by dmadman43
Okay, let's go with that. So, buying back those supposed 7 minutes would have resulted in...what?

There is nothing he could have done. My origional post was if he knew it was a terrorist attack or not after the first plane hit. Not his reaction.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Um, maybe I'm missing it, but where is anyone saying that w caused 9/11?

Ok, I stand corrected, he wasn't blamed for causing 9/11, he was blamed for not preventing it. Take a look back on the earlier posts.

 

[kbeverina]

The bottom line is that this is not a documentary. It's a film with a political agenda, so admitted by Michael Moore himself.

It's a film that's been edited to mislead. Local news interviewed Democratic senators, including Ted and Mark Kennedy, who were upset that clips featuring themselves were misleading and don't show their true responses.

The clip that shows Bush speaking of terrorists and then golfing was made to look like he was talking about al Qaeda. But when looking at the entire footage, he was talking in 2004 about the Israeli/Palestinian situation.

Did you all who saw the film catch that? Was it clear to you that he was not talking about al Qaeda shortly after 9/11 in that clip?

The statements about the flights after 9/11 are patently false, even the 9/11 commission is saying so and the liberal-tending reporters are speaking out against the "facts" as well.

The film is the ultimate in hypocrisy--a misleading film that is trying to say the administration was misleading.

The true shame is that Michael Moore is making money off this garbage. I couldn't care less if Moore wants to blather on, but it's a shame he's getting money for making people believe things that aren't true.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by jason
There is nothing he could have done. My origional post was if he knew it was a terrorist attack or not after the first plane hit. Not his reaction.

Then let's go with that. Let's assume he knew it was a terrorist attack. Buying back those 7 minutes would have resulted in....what?

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by N.Bailey
Ok, I stand corrected, he wasn't blamed for causing 9/11, he was blamed for not preventing it. Take a look back on the earlier posts.

I can't (and won't) speak for others but it seems to me that you are attempting to blame Al Gore for 9/11. How is that any different?

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by kbeverina
The bottom line is that this is not a documentary. It's a film with a political agenda, so admitted by Michael Moore himself.

It's a film that's been edited to mislead. Local news interviewed Democratic senators, including Ted and Mark Kennedy, who were upset that clips featuring themselves were misleading and don't show their true responses.

The clip that shows Bush speaking of terrorists and then golfing was made to look like he was talking about al Qaeda. But when looking at the entire footage, he was talking in 2004 about the Israeli/Palestinian situation.

Did you all who saw the film catch that? Was it clear to you that he was not talking about al Qaeda shortly after 9/11 in that clip?

The statements about the flights after 9/11 are patently false, even the 9/11 commission is saying so and the liberal-tending reporters are speaking out against the "facts" as well.

The film is the ultimate in hypocrisy--a misleading film that is trying to say the administration was misleading.

The true shame is that Michael Moore is making money off this garbage. I couldn't care less if Moore wants to blather on, but it's a shame he's getting money for making people believe things that aren't true.

He used the same tactics in Roger and Me and Bowling for Columbine. It's his formula. The fact that Hollywood and some in the general public think these are documentaries is a travesty and disrespects the work of those that make real documentaries.

 

[jason]

Originally posted by dmadman43
Then let's go with that. Let's assume he knew it was a terrorist attack. Buying back those 7 minutes would have resulted in....what?

Read the first line in my last post.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
I can't (and won't) speak for others but it seems to me that you are attempting to blame Al Gore for 9/11. How is that any different?

I don't blame Clinton, Gore, or Bush. I feel any of the 3 would have done all they could to prevent 9/11 if they knew it was coming. Sure, we knew about possible terrorist attacks, but we had nothing specific. My post was only to point out that, perhaps if Gore would have done the job he was appointed to do, we might not even being having this conversation. I'm sure if he KNEW 9/11 was coming, he might have done more, but the fact remains, he crawled into bed with the airline industry. I'm equally sure he's not alone with these types of tactics.

As you say, you're not speaking for others, you can also take my post as not being directed your way!

BTW: It took me a bit to get that post on this thread. Since that time this thread has taken a change in course.

 

[Pugdog007]

Originally posted by dmadman43
The fact that Hollywood and some in the general public think these are documentaries is a travesty and disrespects the work of those that make real documentaries.

The fact that some think this propaganda is a documentary shows how gullible and naive many people are. And arguably... not too bright either.

 

[kbeverina]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
You're comparing apples and oranges.

Not at all.

We're talking about minutes. Minutes from the report of the second plane to the time he left the classroom.

And, as I recall, there were initial reports after the first plane hit that it was a small plane. We're talking a matter of minutes in attempting to verify what had hit and what was going on.

I don't know how anyone could think it's not perfectly reasonable to take 7 minutes to wrap up the classroom session and depart, especially knowing the president will be fully aware that Secret Service is going to have to do their thing before he leaves anyway. It's not just a matter of walking out the door for him, especially if there are suspected terrorist attacks.

 

[kbeverina]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Did you see the movie? Because you're incorrect in your statement. Sure, Moore comments on his handling of the situation but he doesn't imply that w caused 9/11.

Okay, so you've seen it?

In the clip where Bush was shown talking about terrorists and then teeing off, did you think he was talking about al Qaeda after 9/11?