2026 points chart?

[Sandisw]

Yes, that's why I wrote "not really". Exactly like it's absolutely nonsense to ask people who bought DVC for studios to pay for people who book 1BR. But they seem serious.

To be fair, when you buy DVC you don't buy for a specific room size...you buy points to secure rooms at your home resort. You know that point values on any given use day, and I say room type, can change as long as the net result for total points declared for sale don't change.

DVC does have a responsiblity to balance the usage in all rooms across the resort so if studios are too cheap and larger rooms are too expensive and not getting booked, then I say it fits within their management to fix it.

So, I think it is a valid concern for people....however, the way the system is set up, changing the values to make a difference would be very difficult, if not impossible because, as you know, they can't make the lock off premium worth more, and the lock offs are all counted for points as though they are booked as 2 bedrooms.

 

[zavandor]

To be fair, when you buy DVC you don't buy for a specific room size...you buy points to secure rooms at your home resort. You know that point values on any given use day, and I say room type, can change as long as the net result for total points declared for sale don't change.

DVC does have a responsiblity to balance the usage in all rooms across the resort so if studios are too cheap and larger rooms are too expensive and not getting booked, then I say it fits within their management to fix it.

So, I think it is a valid concern for people....however, the way the system is set up, changing the values to make a difference would be very difficult, if not impossible because, as you know, they can't make the lock off premium worth more, and the lock offs are all counted for points as though they are booked as 2 bedrooms.

You state this as fact, while it's just your opinion. About which, I disagree. I do not believe they can reallocate across different room types, so much so that if they try again I will sue DVC.

Regardless, people are writing they feel they are subsidising studios, which I find ludicrous.
I do not drive to WDW so I have no use for the parking lots. I do not have children, so I don't use splash pads or kids animation. I stay for longer when I visit, so I use less housekeeping than people who book one or two days at a time.
And yet, I bought into the product which included those amenities. I do not feel I am subsidising those things, I call it "paying for the product I have bought". Which includes studios and 1BR with their costs.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Can we increase studios and decrease 1Bd’s….

Another vote for this.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Man…. some people must just wake up angry and ready to fight every day.

I’m going to have some breakfast and take my kids to see Moana 2. I hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Man…. some people must just wake up angry and ready to fight every day.

I’m going to have some breakfast and take my kids to see Moana 2. I hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday.

we just got back from Moana 2… its a tear-jerker have a fab time!

 

[Sandisw]

You state this as fact, while it's just your opinion. About which, I disagree. I do not believe they can reallocate across different room types, so much so that if they try again I will sue DVC.

Regardless, people are writing they feel they are subsidising studios, which I find ludicrous.
I do not drive to WDW so I have no use for the parking lots. I do not have children, so I don't use splash pads or kids animation. I stay for longer when I visit, so I use less housekeeping than people who book one or two days at a time.
And yet, I bought into the product which included those amenities. I do not feel I am subsidising those things, I call it "paying for the product I have bought". Which includes studios and 1BR with their costs.

What is not fact, though? You don’t buy a specific rooms type and the contract states that DVC has the responsibility to adjust point charts based on demand.

The debate is how those reallocations can legally happen and I have yet to find any specific language that is clear that adjusting for use across units is not allowed. They can’t do it when it comes to selling, but use is differen. I think I the language is vague enough to be open to interpretation. I honestly can’t say how it would stand up to a lawsuit…because I am not convinced one way or the other.

But, if demand for studios is out of whack with 1 bedroom, then DVC should be reallocating if they have the legal right to do it to balance the charts.

 

[zavandor]

What is not fact, though? You don’t buy a specific rooms type and the contract states that DVC has the responsibility to adjust point charts based on demand.

The debate is how those reallocations can legally happen and I have yet to find any specific language that is clear that adjusting for use across units is not allowed. They can’t do it when it comes to selling, but use is differen. I think I the language is vague enough to be open to interpretation. I honestly can’t say how it would stand up to a lawsuit…because I am not convinced one way or the other.

But, if demand for studios is out of whack with 1 bedroom, then DVC should be reallocating if they have the legal right to do it to balance the charts.

The POS only talks about reallocating across different times of the year, not across units. The POS doesn't have to list all they things they cannot do, but they must state what they can do. And nowhere is written they can reallocate across units.
So, you have an opinion that they can, but please don't state it as a fact, because it isn't.

 

[zavandor]

Man…. some people must just wake up angry and ready to fight every day.

In my experience when people start just being dismissive in this way it's because they feel they've lost the argument.
Have a great day.

 

[AstroBlasters]

In my experience when people start just being dismissive in this way it's because they feel they've lost the argument.
Have a great day.

Rage bait. Pass.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Subsidizing how? In which way do you think your money help pay for studios?

My money isn’t paying for the studios; I am the beneficiary of this largesse by staying in the studios when possible. I think the point chart should be balanced to the point where 1 bedrooms are not always the last to fill.

 

[Sandisw]

The POS only talks about reallocating across different times of the year, not across units. The POS doesn't have to list all they things they cannot do, but they must state what they can do. And nowhere is written they can reallocate across units.
So, you have an opinion that they can, but please don't state it as a fact, because it isn't.

I said they should do it if they have the legal right to do it. It actually does not limit to specific seasons in the POS documents I have for my resorts so not sure which resort it is in.

It says that if units go up, others must go down….but must be net neutral to 100% at the unit level. Since a unit can be comprised of multiple room types, that statement is enough, IMO, to be vague and open to interpretation…which is why it is a debate among people here.

You say they can’t which is not a fact either…..and yes, I know what happened in 2020, and they backed off…..but they also accomplished elsewhere so in some way they believe they have the right. While I agree it certainly suggests they weren’t sure how it would land in court, it doesn’t mean owners would win.

I still support that if people feel there is an imbalance and want to see it changed, there is nothing wrong with expressing that especially if they do read the contract as being within the rules. Since the points are sold on a 2 bedroom equivalent, that alone could legally provide DVC wiggle room.

Let’s leave it at that.

ETA: I will add that even if they legally can, I don’t think the reallocations could ever be done in such a way to make tha difference meaningful.

 

[atthebeachclub]

we just got back from Moana 2… its a tear-jerker have a fab time!

All the initial reviews were so negative; glad to hear it is good! Will have to go check it out with the kids.

 

[JackosinDIS]

All the initial reviews were so negative; glad to hear it is good! Will have to go check it out with the kids.

Don’t get me wrong… it’s not the original and the songs are nowhere near as catchy, but I loved it!

 

[zavandor]

I said they should do it if they have the legal right to do it. It actually does not say it can only across times of year…at least not in the resorts I own.

it says thatfand that if units go up, others must go down….but must be net neutral. Since a unit can be comprised of multiple room types, that statement is enough to be vague and open to interpretation…which is why it is a debate

So, again, you say they can’t which is not a fact either…..and yes, I know what happened in 2020, and they backed off…..but they also accomplished elsewhere so in some way they believe they have the right.

And they haven't done it since. So maybe they're not so sure anymore.

And, I still support that if people feel there is an imbalance and want to see it changed, there is nothing wrong with expressing that especially if they do read the contract as being within the rules.

Let’s leave it at that

And others are allowed to say it's wrong and unfair.

 

[tom1944]

My money isn’t paying for the studios; I am the beneficiary of this largesse by staying in the studios when possible. I think the point chart should be balanced to the point where 1 bedrooms are not always the last to fill.

Is there benefit to Disney if all the room types basically are reserved in a similar time frame?

I also wonder if they track if once all the studios at a resort are booked do owners move to reserve a 1 bedroom or wait until 7 months to reserve a studio at a different resort.

 

[Sandisw]

Is there benefit to Disney if all the room types basically are reserved in a similar time frame?

I also wonder if they track if once all the studios at a resort are booked do owners move to reserve a 1 bedroom or wait until 7 months to reserve a studio at a different resort.

No benefit to DVC....but the benefit to owners it to expect point charts to reflect, as much as possible, a good mix of supply and demand.

Some rooms types never will...no matter what they do, AKV CL and Value will always be hard because there simply not enough of them to go around....

The reason that we have seen point chart adjustments over the years is to react to that and why summer is less than fall....or when DVC substainally lowered weekends and raised weekdays.

There is language in some of the earlier POS documents, Exhibit A IIRC, that does explain how initial point structures were determined....and square footage was part of that.....IMO, that can play a role in what they can and can not do in terms of adjusting charts to balance against owner usage.

 

[jcolvin5]

Man…. some people must just wake up angry and ready to fight every day.

I’m going to have some breakfast and take my kids to see Moana 2. I hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday.

Haha! Always the best approach. Took the girls to see it today as well. Another success in our opinion!

 

[davidhr]

Man…. some people must just wake up angry and ready to fight every day.

I’m going to have some breakfast and take my kids to see Moana 2. I hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday.

They do. And I have to shamelessly admit I love reading it. This and the VGF thread have been my weekend entertainment.

 

[Disfamwa]

What is not fact, though? You don’t buy a specific rooms type and the contract states that DVC has the responsibility to adjust point charts based on demand.

The debate is how those reallocations can legally happen and I have yet to find any specific language that is clear that adjusting for use across units is not allowed. They can’t do it when it comes to selling, but use is differen. I think I the language is vague enough to be open to interpretation. I honestly can’t say how it would stand up to a lawsuit…because I am not convinced one way or the other.

But, if demand for studios is out of whack with 1 bedroom, then DVC should be reallocating if they have the legal right to do it to balance the charts.

Along these lines of balancing demand, all of December needs to be increased in points. A month like August has trash weather and is hurricane season—it should not cost more points than December.

 

[foodiddiedoo]

Don’t get me wrong… it’s not the original and the songs are nowhere near as catchy, but I loved it!

We took my daughter yesterday. I liked the story a lot, the movie looked beautiful, but the songs were just not that good. I think I cry every time I sing along with How Far I’ll Go and there’s nothing like that in this movie.