2025 Dues

[DanCali]

Just a reminder the fees are directly related to maintenance of the resort. So if rates stay that high its because everything in the world is increasing at a higher rates including hopefully your income.

Its always the scary part about looking out in the future though with this stuff.

When I was talking "non-sustainable" it was in the context of increases of 7% in dues per year, compounded. Most years, that would outpace inflation by a lot. For example, the CPI increase over the past 12 months was 2.6%. Companies providing "cost of living adjustments" (not all companies do it) tie those adjustments to the CPI, not DVC dues... In that world, not everything is increasing at higher rates, and neither are salaries.

To put it in perspective, a 7% annualized increase doubles your dues every 10 years which is an 8x increase in 30 years. Anyone here is up for paying $70/point in dues on their RIV contract or leaving that "gift" to your kids in the 2050s?

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong but....some questions to think about...

• Who recommends the annual budget, including the annual dues?
• How much say do "owners" get?
• Does that arrangement pose any form of conflict of interest when the estimated operating budget lists the following:

If higher operating expenses and reserves = higher management fees, what's the incentive to reign in costs?

Reminds me a little of what that lady is saying repeatedly about "winners and losers" when we wait in line for the Tron ride.

When dues outpace CPI, owners are not on the winning side...

 

[Mouseforward]

When I was talking "non-sustainable" it was in the context of increases of 7% in dues per year, compounded. Most years, that would outpace inflation by a lot. For example, the CPI increase over the past 12 months was 2.6%. Companies providing "cost of living adjustments" (not all companies do it) tie those adjustments to the CPI, not DVC dues... In that world, not everything is increasing at higher rates, and neither are salaries.

To put it in perspective, a 7% annualized increase doubles your dues every 10 years which is an 8x increase in 30 years. Anyone here is up for paying $70/point in dues on their RIV contract or leaving that "gift" to your kids in the 2050s?

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong but....some questions to think about...

• Who recommends the annual budget, including the annual dues?
• How much say do "owners" get?
• Does that arrangement pose any form of conflict of interest when the estimated operating budget lists the following:

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If higher operating expenses and reserves = higher management fees, what's the incentive to reign in costs?

Reminds me a little of what that lady is saying repeatedly about "winners and losers" when we wait in line for the Tron ride.

When dues outpace CPI, owners are not on the winning side...

https://cdn2.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...n/180918-1-WDW-Mtg-Bk_AUL-DOM_Final-Proof.pdf

The scary picture is dues vs rental rates. If you can’t rent your points to cover dues then the value of the points is 0 or negative. This is what VB is going to hit very soon if not this year.

Point rental rates have not gone up in recent years, and MFs have - so the value of the DVC contract is declining.

Some prefer to look at savings vs cash rate but if they are not filling the cash rooms then that is a false metric.

I feel like they are rapidly expanding DVC to hide that they are having an issue with the cost of staffing and maintenance on the hotels vs what the public will pay.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Slightly higher increases this year for most of my resorts, but overall just a 3.28% increase in my total dues bill - thanks to Poly!

 

[DanCali]

Slightly higher increases this year for most of my resorts, but overall just a 3.28% increase in my total dues bill - thanks to Poly!

Poly definitely helps owners in 2025!

Our increase is 4.23% thanks to the relatively modest Aulani increase, but if I take into a account an upcoming Poly closing and compute on a "pro forma" basis as if we owned those points in 2024, the increase would have been about 3.5%.

(yeah - got the addonitis itch a couple of months ago, and after seeing the lackluster incentives I just went with Poly resale to get more points there)

 

[supercarrie]

Overall, we are pretty happy with our first year of increases. We own more points at Riv than BLT. (For now, anyway!)

I am currently typing this from my Aulani balcony. Dues just don’t matter when you are here and soaking up the views. Worth every penny!

 

[DanCali]

Overall, we are pretty happy with our first year of increases. We own more points at Riv than BLT. (For now, anyway!)

I am currently typing this from my Aulani balcony. Dues just don’t matter when you are here and soaking up the views. Worth every penny!

Careful to not stop by the sales office while you're in that mood...!

 

[Chili327]

OKW getting bruuuuutal.

Yikes, yea that is a tough one... but if you love it I guess it's all good.

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Can either of those sites make them sort-able? Alphabetical doesn't do anyone any favors. lol

It always forces me to make my own spreadsheet so I can see them in some kind of financial order.

 

[supercarrie]

Careful to not stop by the sales office while you're in that mood...!

I keep telling my husband I want to tour the grand villa and he has managed to suddenly have important business for us elsewhere on property every single time.

 

[ocdb8r1]

OKW getting bruuuuutal.

Low point chart combined with lots of sq ft. However, they really aren't that bad if you're actually using the points at OKW (as the lower point requirements make up for the higher per point fees.

 

[Chili327]

Low point chart combined with lots of sq ft. However, they really aren't that bad if you're actually using the points at OKW (as the lower point requirements make up for the higher per point fees.

But isn't it pretty available at 7 months? I keep thinking id probably love to stay there in the future after i've become a regular DVC/WDW goer, but thinking id be fine at 7 months.

 

[ocdb8r1]

But isn't it pretty available at 7 months? I keep thinking id probably love to stay there in the future after i've become a regular DVC/WDW goer, but thinking id be fine at 7 months.

It's probably second to SSR for availability, but it can also very based on room type. Studios and Grand Villas get booked fairly quickly due to the point requirements being so reasonable. If you have a big family (I should say if your family bumps up against the room limits) it's a highly underrated resort. The amount of space is very generous which makes for very comfortable stays. The only complaint I have is being stuck with the bus loop, but we normally drive.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I keep telling my husband I want to tour the grand villa and he has managed to suddenly have important business for us elsewhere on property every single time.

It's beautiful. The view is even more beautiful. Once they learn you have a guide they pretty much stop trying to sell you. But you might start trying to sell yourself on it.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Im pretty happy with my resort increases, do I wish it went down like Poly? Sure but overall I am happy. I was pretty nervous about my West Coast properties. I see many are shocked at CCV's increase. Hopefully there is a good reason for the % increase they did.

 

[WinterSolider]

Low point chart combined with lots of sq ft. However, they really aren't that bad if you're actually using the points at OKW (as the lower point requirements make up for the higher per point fees.

Yeah OKW is my only direct contract and I don't plan on selling it.

 

[CastAStone]

If higher operating expenses and reserves = higher management fees, what's the incentive to reign in costs?

This is fair but it’s also what you signed up for.

Their incentives are twofold. The first is to keep owners happy so that people want to buy more or more people want to buy.

A bunch of angry owners will spread the word that DVC is bad pretty quickly.

The second is that most of these properties share operating costs with the attached hotels, and holding down costs on their hotels will inevitably hold down costs on DVC.

 

[Spivey378]

When I was talking "non-sustainable" it was in the context of increases of 7% in dues per year, compounded. Most years, that would outpace inflation by a lot. For example, the CPI increase over the past 12 months was 2.6%. Companies providing "cost of living adjustments" (not all companies do it) tie those adjustments to the CPI, not DVC dues... In that world, not everything is increasing at higher rates, and neither are salaries.

To put it in perspective, a 7% annualized increase doubles your dues every 10 years which is an 8x increase in 30 years. Anyone here is up for paying $70/point in dues on their RIV contract or leaving that "gift" to your kids in the 2050s?

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong but....some questions to think about...

• Who recommends the annual budget, including the annual dues?
• How much say do "owners" get?
• Does that arrangement pose any form of conflict of interest when the estimated operating budget lists the following:

View attachment 914859

If higher operating expenses and reserves = higher management fees, what's the incentive to reign in costs?

Reminds me a little of what that lady is saying repeatedly about "winners and losers" when we wait in line for the Tron ride.

When dues outpace CPI, owners are not on the winning side...

“Who…are you?”

 

[Chili327]

“Who…are you?”

 

[Sprinkles&Sprints]

Im pretty happy with my resort increases, do I wish it went down like Poly? Sure but overall I am happy. I was pretty nervous about my West Coast properties. I see many are shocked at CCV's increase. Hopefully there is a good reason for the % increase they did.

Definitely caught off guard by CCV’s increase…thank goodness I bought all that RIV to balance it out . In all seriousness, this is my first year paying dues as well so maybe it doesn’t look that bad because I was bracing myself for awful…

 

[VGCgroupie]

Definitely caught off guard by CCV’s increase…thank goodness I bought all that RIV to balance it out . In all seriousness, this is my first year paying dues as well so maybe it doesn’t look that bad because I was bracing myself for awful…

haha same I was bracing myself for really bad.

 

[geargrinder]

I keep telling my husband I want to tour the grand villa and he has managed to suddenly have important business for us elsewhere on property every single time.

We went to the Mixology Class followed by a tour of the Grand Villa. Very dangerous. Barely got out without more points.