2025 Dues

[sethschroeder]

That's not sustainable for most owners.

Just a reminder the fees are directly related to maintenance of the resort. So if rates stay that high its because everything in the world is increasing at a higher rates including hopefully your income.

Its always the scary part about looking out in the future though with this stuff.

 

[hhisc16]

Highest-VB @ 14!
Lowest- PVB & VGF @ almost 8!

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

The Grand Floridian lost the mantle of cheapest dues at Walt Disney World! All hail the Polynesian!

 

[tjkraz]

And here we are thinking dues always go up! Funny how that happens when you're in active sales....

They don’t even hide it anymore

Given that dues don't seem to immediately spike after a resort wraps-up active sales, the most logical assumption is that DVC is launching resorts with aggressively high dues. That results in more moderate increases over the first few years.

I fully expect that resorts like Riviera and Disneyland Hotel will eventually have annual increases in the 4-6% range. But the main reason they're only seeing 2-3% now is because the original 2019 Riviera rate of $8.31 was estimated on the high side. I'm not sure how that's a bad thing for buyers.

 

[Mouseforward]

VB is running towards 0$ resale points soon. I am not aware of the rental market rates they get - but if you pay taxes you would need a $17 / point rental just to cover dues.

 

[ehh]

Doesn't look like dvcfan.com or dvcnews.com articles have CFW listed, here's the PDF for 2025: https://cdn2.parksmedia.wdprapps.disney.com/media/dvc/members/condo-association/180918_CFW.pdf

Dues went down 2.28% to $11.8769.

(fyi, @pkrieger2287 and @tjkraz)

 

[hhisc16]

VB resale must be hurting with dues at 14 a point.

Even HHI is 2 dollars per point behind.

If hunting for a 2042 resort to use at WDW, i wonder what is the best value now?

VB is running towards 0$ resale points soon. I am not aware of the rental market rates they get - but if you pay taxes you would need a $17 / point rental just to cover du

 

[Mouseforward]

The higher than average increase for CCV makes me wonder if they are planning on doing another room conversion maybe 75 or so studios

 

[hhisc16]

The higher than average increase for CCV makes me wonder if they are planning on doing another room conversion maybe 75 or so studios

I would be happy with more CCV studios!
Tough to get into BRV/CCV at 7 months.

 

[tjkraz]

The higher than average increase for CCV makes me wonder if they are planning on doing another room conversion maybe 75 or so studios

Even if true, how would that project have a financial impact dues for current owners?

 

[Mouseforward]

Even if true, how would that project have a financial impact dues for current owners?

I am more cynical about the relationship between dues and actual expenses. I think they are upping them so they can convert rooms and keep the dues flat while in future sales.

 

[pkrieger2287]

Doesn't look like dvcfan.com or dvcnews.com articles have CFW listed, here's the PDF for 2025: https://cdn2.parksmedia.wdprapps.disney.com/media/dvc/members/condo-association/180918_CFW.pdf

Dues went down 2.28% to $11.8769.

(fyi, @pkrieger2287 and @tjkraz)

Thank you!! Articles updated and analysis is over on DVC Resale Market: https://www.dvcresalemarket.com/blo...-dues/?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=dvcfan

 

[bryaalre]

As an owner of AKV & CCV, I looked at the lines to see any patterns.

Ad Valorem was a big increase and looks to have been for all resorts not in active selling. It was an increase of 8.82% at both AKV and CCV and spot checking other resorts it looks like 9% is normal with some being higher. RIV only saw a 2.72% increase. However they did see a 12.48% increase in the amount but due to more units declared during the year, the increase was split amongst more points.

Another thing to note is that both AKV & CCV (and I'm assuming the rest of the resorts as well) saw a good decrease of around 10%.

AKV had a large 45.52% increase in the income tax line, which is notable as CCV was only 7%. AKV also had a 12.16% increase in housekeeping and modest increases in Administration at 6.68%, Animal Programs at 6.30% & Maintenance at 5.87%. The only other AKV line to note is utilities went down 13.44%.

CCV had a big increase in member activities of 12.62%, the above mentioned Ad Valorem at 8.82% and security at 9%. Other notable increases are income taxes at 7%, housekeeping at 5.64% and maintenance at 5.96%.

 

[davidhr]

So… when do you think the resale listings are going to skyrocket?

 

[tjkraz]

I am more cynical about the relationship between dues and actual expenses. I think they are upping them so they can convert rooms and keep the dues flat while in future sales.

So you think DVC would be more successful selling points with an inflated starting point of $8.49 plus increases of 1-2% vs an allegedly more appropriate starting point of, say, $8.30 followed by normal increases of 4-5%?

That's certainly an interesting theory. I don't see where either approach is clearly better than the other. In the moment, a hypothetical $8.30 current year rate certainly looks better than $8.49. Not sure how many buyers will bother to research historical increases, much less make the leap to think "wow, this resort has much lower annual increases than others so it's a great buy!"

 

[Mouseforward]

So you think DVC would be more successful selling points with an inflated starting point of $8.49 plus increases of 1-2% vs an allegedly more appropriate starting point of, say, $8.30 followed by normal increases of 4-5%?

That's certainly an interesting theory. I don't see where either approach is clearly better than the other. In the moment, a hypothetical $8.30 current year rate certainly looks better than $8.49. Not sure how many buyers will bother to research historical increases, much less make the leap to think "wow, this resort has much lower annual increases than others so it's a great buy!"

I think if they added 75 studios existing CCV and BRV lovers would snap them up before the market was open to the public. I agree on new customers not caring

 

[TinkB278]

I apologize if this has been noted somewhere. When will our statements be available to pay our dues? I need to meet the minimum spending to get a new credit card bonus by 12/11 so as really hoping it’s before that.

 

[davidhr]

I apologize if this has been noted somewhere. When will our statements be available to pay our dues? I need to meet the minimum spending to get a new credit card bonus by 12/11 so as really hoping it’s before that.

If it’s not ready by then just buy Disney gift cards to get to the spending you need.

 

[LadybugsMum]

I apologize if this has been noted somewhere. When will our statements be available to pay our dues? I need to meet the minimum spending to get a new credit card bonus by 12/11 so as really hoping it’s before that.

They won't be posted until 12/17

 

[mkatsy]

If it’s not ready by then just buy Disney gift cards to get to the spending you need.

There is a Christmas pin offer with gift card purchase at PIN Traders in Disney Springs