Wow..some adults never cease to amaze me

[smidgy]

Will a mod close this thread already. It is serving no purpose but to cause issues amongst Dis'ers.

Oh, you don't need a specific thread to do that...

I think by now the mods have their job figured out! as long as we are disagreeing politely...

 

[smidgy]

http://stunningpicture.tumblr.com/post/103968080152/hells-angels-stood-in-line-for-five-days-at-a


I guess I am guilty of stereotyping myself.. I guess the Hell's angels aren't so bad after all!


(I didn't go looking for this,, a friend happened to share it on my FB page.. serendipity) I guess it just goes to show we all have preconceived notions of people and groups of people ...I just have met a lot of bikers who are very nice people.

 

[alvernon90]

Some adults never cease to amaze me, either. Like the ones who will go on a forum and trash talk total strangers, say that society has gone to pieces, bring up other people's parenting, and recommend throwing people out of Disney World...often based on somebody else's second-hand observations.

The only issues I've ever had in the parks are when people adopt a holier-than-thou attitude and insert themselves into my day. Some people seem to really enjoy judging others. Like, REALLY enjoy it.

This is exactly the attitude I would expect from someone who frequently engages in conduct that is routinely condemned on these boards. That's not you, of course, I'm not judging. I'm just saying that the line jumpers, parade blockers, ride chanters and others would probably agree with you that everyone else in the park leave you to enjoy "your day" as you see fit.

 

[andyman8]

This is exactly the attitude I would expect from someone who frequently engages in conduct that is routinely condemned on these boards. That's not you, of course, I'm not judging. I'm just saying that the line jumpers, parade blockers, ride chanters and others would probably agree with you that everyone else in the park leave you to enjoy "your day" as you see fit.

I don't think that's quite what Love Tink is saying. What really is the point of trash-talking strangers from a theme park on a message board? Will it change anything? What purpose does that serve? Why not choose to focus on the fun better parts of your day at Disney? If those weren't the majority of your day, you wouldn't be on a Disney fan's message board!

 

[SmithSmith]

I don't think that's quite what Love Tink is saying. What really is the point of trash-talking strangers from a theme park on a message board? Will it change anything? What purpose does that serve? Why not choose to focus on the fun better parts of your day at Disney? If those weren't the majority of your day, you wouldn't be on a Disney fan's message board!

Complete agreement.

 

[Mambo Junkie]

ok, I'll try nicely again... I agree that line jumpers are horrible. and I agree with your assessment that these line jumpers were dressed like bikers.

however, most people dressed like bikers have nothing to do with one particular gang.. Hell's Angels amd don't try to look like Hell's Angels either.. they look like bikers. NOT Hell's angels You are stereotyping .

don't feel bad.. most people steroetype any bikers and presume they are trying to look like Hell's Angels, when they are not. that was my point.

I know bikers who are police officers, veterans, firefighters, etc. they do charity runs and protect the funerals of our fallen veterans.

these particular bikers were also line jumpers. not as bad as Hell's Angels' but pretty bad as far as us dissers are concerned! but more likely than not, bikers would let others in line ahead of them, as opposed to line jumping.

and now I think I have made my point.

Yeah you know, it could just as well been the Brazilian tour group.

 

[smidgy]

Yeah you know, it could just as well been the Brazilian tour group.

 

[lustergirl]

Because that's what they were wearing. They Chose to dress like that, and look like Hell's Angels, so they will be reported looking like that. They could have dressed in tutu's and would have been reported like that. Cheez, take a chill pill. The POINT of the story was that they line jumped while it was an early morning walk on. Everyone was walking on rapidly. They were behind us and they CHose to unhook chains, line jump, and they landed IN Front of us. They could have waited and been behind us. We laughed about it. The POINT is that they felt entitled just because they were made to leave the ride 2 times. Well, what about everyone else who had to leave. As I said, we were made to leave too. We didn't line jump because we were entitled to later on So, in conclusion: Everyone relax, no one was stereotyping!

Maybe they were the crew from Sons of Anarchy. Those guys give bikers a bad name

 

[disneyseniors]

ok, I'll try nicely again... I agree that line jumpers are horrible. and I agree with your assessment that these line jumpers were dressed like bikers.

however, most people dressed like bikers have nothing to do with one particular gang.. Hell's Angels amd don't try to look like Hell's Angels either.. they look like bikers. NOT Hell's angels You are stereotyping .

don't feel bad.. most people steroetype any bikers and presume they are trying to look like Hell's Angels, when they are not. that was my point.

I know bikers who are police officers, veterans, firefighters, etc. they do charity runs and protect the funerals of our fallen veterans.

these particular bikers were also line jumpers. not as bad as Hell's Angels' but pretty bad as far as us dissers are concerned! but more likely than not, bikers would let others in line ahead of them, as opposed to line jumping.

and now I think I have made my point.

Okay, Smidgy, I agree I apologize to all bikers, hells angels, ballerinas, etc etc. It just made them look bad IMO. They weren't the only "entitled" people we saw at WDW that week- have a great day

 

[Emperor Maus]

Went to Disney World for my birthday back in August. My girlfriend and I watched the Festival of Fantasy parade in front of the castle. We got there about an hour early and sat on the curb. When the parade started we stood the entire time on the curb. No one complained directly to us. One woman asked my girlfriend if her and her kids could sit in front of her. My girlfriend said "I'm standing here." I was quite proud of her.

Anyhow, I don't think it is that big of a deal as long as people don't begin to fight. I had my birthday button on. Alice came over to me and wished me happy birthday. She then went to the Mad Hatter and a couple others and said everyone come wish Adam a happy birthday! It was so cool. The Mad Hatter noticed my Breaking Bad shirt and asked me if I was the guy on the shirt. I told him I had a lab underneath the castle. He laughed and went on. I'd do it again.

 

[CariCloud]

I have to agree with a few posters. I am not a second class citizen at Disney. I have been both as a child and as an adult and will take my son in a few years. If you came early and grabbed a spot you shouldn't have to move for anyone unless you want to or you are endangering someone. The only people responsible for a kids view is the parents. Want them to see it? Get here early. I don't expect anyone who has paid an equal amount of money as I have for an experience to make any concessions for me me or my child.

We are not all in this together, no one paid for my tickets and my experience but me. If you want to chip in for me to come back tomorrow and see the show when I am not in your kid's way then we are in it together. As a general rule if there is space and I am at a parade I will let a kid in front of me and I will never intentionally block a kids way. However getting to a spot early does not = to intentionally blocking a kids view.

In reference to another poster who mentioned adults in M&G lines I will do these too. Again I paid to get in, whether or not I have a kid with me is irrelevant as to whether I want to enjoy all the amenities that come with my paid tickets, M&G being one.

When I go see special movies (stuff I've highly anticipated) I get there early and I get the seat I want. If people get there 5 mins before it starts and ask me to move to accommodate their big group I usually say no even if they have kids, even if it is a "kids" movie. I paid for my seat I put in my time.

I believe in common courtesy and kindness. However it is not rude to enjoy something you paid for. If Disney does not say "this area is for sitting" then I get to choose to sit or stand. It is not rude to enjoy your time as you see fit it is rude to get angry at people for enjoying what they paid for when you chose to go about it another way. No one is surprised that their are crowds at a Disney parade its not a secret.

 

[LoKiHB]

I don't think it's really that different at Disney than the rest of the world. I'm from NY and I notice here that people tend to be more self absorbed and feeling entitled than most other places I've been.

I'll be the first to admit that I am not the most patient person in the world, nor am I the most reserved, but when I'm paying a ton of money for a vacation for my entire family, I'll be damned if I'm going to let my lack of patience and tendency to speak without thinking ruin their vacation.

I've witnessed awful behavior in many places.

Two examples- 1 Disney, 1 Bronx Zoo

1- On our trip in March, we were lucky enough to be there the day FoF debuted. We did not stake out a spot, nor did we expect to go to the front. We were lucky enough to be in Frontierland right by the beginning of the parade at the right time, and we were able to get a spot right at the end of the walkway where the Splash Mountain Boats turn, across from Pecos Bill next to the food cart. My 2 year old was in his stroller and my 7 year old was - well, in a mood. In front of us were two women, that looked like sisters, with two strollers. They had gotten there at the same time we had. One of the women, walked off and the other stood there moving and dancing around like she was defending against Michael Jordan in his prime to make sure no one got into her "spot" I saw her shove into other people and thrust her backside into others.

Personally, I didn't care, I'm 6'4" and could see anyway. Also, being 6'4", I made sure I was back against the fence so no one got stuck behind me. All the while, people kept trying to push their way in front of my wife and the stroller, some coming very close to stepping on my son who was sitting on the ground. He probably shouldn't have been sitting there, as it is still a high traffic area, but he was in a place in front of the stroller where if anyone DID walk by without trying to shove between, he'd have been safe. When the parade started, his mood lightened. There was an older couple and the wife insisted her husband and grandkids move to the side to let both my sons, stroller included have a great view. As soon as they moved, the two sisters, attempted to "expand their domain". The woman who had moved said something before my wife or I had a chance. So, you have both sides of the coin right there.

2- Bronx Zoo... There is a monorail that takes you around the zoo. If you've never been and you're thinking "oh, like Disney", no, not even close. Anyway, we were there waiting for what turned out to be the last rides of the day. It was late, it was hot, and everyone was tired. There was a family, parents, kids, and I'm guessing grandparents. Now, some people will be subtle, but this woman hid nothing, she was literally knocking people aside blatantly cutting the line. I watched her just shove a young couple with a baby aside and cut in front of them. As she got closer to us, the couple next behind/next to us made a comment about it as well. We heard people attempting to tell her to stop, but she apparently did not speak English- which as everyone knows not speaking the local language in ANY country allows you to shove people aside and cut a line of 100 people. She finally got up behind our little group, and we could see her making getting ready to make her move. My wife said something out loud akin to "she's going to try and cut us" I replied loudly enough for her to hear "Not if she doesn't want an elbow between her eyes" - (again, not known for my patience or tact). She somehow understood that...

Anyway, sorry for being so long winded. I hope I was able to inform and entertain! If I bored you, I apologize.

And as the the noted Philosopher Kristoff once said "Reindeers are better than people."

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I don't think it's really that different at Disney than the rest of the world.

It's not. It's just that there are more of them together competing for finite space and access, and they want what they want when they want it.

Some of them take it so far as to see anyone else in line as an obstacle to their reaching their goal...some will narrow it to thinking that adults being in line for a character somehow endangers their child's access to that character and if you can only get the adults out of the line it would be shorter. Even if they had a rule stating that each person in line must be accompanied by a child under age 12, there would still be a line.

 

[Emperor Maus]

I have to agree with a few posters. I am not a second class citizen at Disney. I have been both as a child and as an adult and will take my son in a few years. If you came early and grabbed a spot you shouldn't have to move for anyone unless you want to or you are endangering someone. The only people responsible for a kids view is the parents. Want them to see it? Get here early. I don't expect anyone who has paid an equal amount of money as I have for an experience to make any concessions for me me or my child.

We are not all in this together, no one paid for my tickets and my experience but me. If you want to chip in for me to come back tomorrow and see the show when I am not in your kid's way then we are in it together. As a general rule if there is space and I am at a parade I will let a kid in front of me and I will never intentionally block a kids way. However getting to a spot early does not = to intentionally blocking a kids view.

In reference to another poster who mentioned adults in M&G lines I will do these too. Again I paid to get in, whether or not I have a kid with me is irrelevant as to whether I want to enjoy all the amenities that come with my paid tickets, M&G being one.

When I go see special movies (stuff I've highly anticipated) I get there early and I get the seat I want. If people get there 5 mins before it starts and ask me to move to accommodate their big group I usually say no even if they have kids, even if it is a "kids" movie. I paid for my seat I put in my time.

I believe in common courtesy and kindness. However it is not rude to enjoy something you paid for. If Disney does not say "this area is for sitting" then I get to choose to sit or stand. It is not rude to enjoy your time as you see fit it is rude to get angry at people for enjoying what they paid for when you chose to go about it another way. No one is surprised that their are crowds at a Disney parade its not a secret.

Well said and I agree with what you say. There is nothing wrong at all with standing for a parade if you think you would enjoy it more that way. I certainly did. I had a few quick character interactions that way. I try to be respectful to others in those situations. I certainly won't shove my way to the front of the viewing area if I am late for an event or intentionally impair the viewing of another guest for my benefit. If I want to move in front of someone I ask. Usually they don't have a problem as long as you are respectful.

 

[Emperor Maus]

It's not. It's just that there are more of them together competing for finite space and access, and they want what they want when they want it.

Some of them take it so far as to see anyone else in line as an obstacle to their reaching their goal...some will narrow it to thinking that adults being in line for a character somehow endangers their child's access to that character and if you can only get the adults out of the line it would be shorter. Even if they had a rule stating that each person in line must be accompanied by a child under age 12, there would still be a line.

I hope Disney would never do this. I enjoy meeting characters and princesses as a couple with no kids.

 

[maxiesmom]

Went to Disney World for my birthday back in August. My girlfriend and I watched the Festival of Fantasy parade in front of the castle. We got there about an hour early and sat on the curb. When the parade started we stood the entire time on the curb. No one complained directly to us. One woman asked my girlfriend if her and her kids could sit in front of her. My girlfriend said "I'm standing here." I was quite proud of her.

Unless you told people behind you you planned to stand for the parade, I do think you were rude. Right or wrong people think the way you wait for the parade is how you will stay for the parade. And then to stand and also not allow kids in front of you? Not nice, and not something to be proud of, in my book. At the very least you should have told the people with kids behind you you planned on standing. That way they could have moved on and found a different spot.

 

[verleniahall]

Wow - This was our frist trip to Disney and i'm with the group that didn't see the bad stuff!

 

[Disneylover99]

Unless you told people behind you you planned to stand for the parade, I do think you were rude. Right or wrong people think the way you wait for the parade is how you will stay for the parade. And then to stand and also not allow kids in front of you? Not nice, and not something to be proud of, in my book. At the very least you should have told the people with kids behind you you planned on standing. That way they could have moved on and found a different spot.

Not everyone thinks the same way you do. Why do you feel the need to shame others?

Anyways, why should the onus be on the person who arrived first to turn around and tell every person that arrives behind them that they're planning on standing when the parade starts?

If you arrive late, ask the sitting people in front of you if they think they may stand. That way you won't be disappointed.

 

[maxiesmom]

Not everyone thinks the same way you do. Why do you feel the need to shame others?

Anyways, why should the onus be on the person who arrived first to turn around and tell every person that arrives behind them that they're planning on standing when the parade starts?

If you arrive late, ask the sitting people in front of you if they think they may stand. That way you won't be disappointed.

The vast majority of people waiting for a parade sitting on the curb stay sitting. I will even go as far as to say it is very rare for someone sitting on the curb to stand when the parade starts.

If it were me that planned on standing, you can bet that if a family with children came up and stood behind me, I would let them know I would be standing. It is the considerate thing to do. To let them stand there, hop up once the parade starts, and then say you won't let their kids stand in front of you is rude imho. At least let them know you plan on being one of the rare families that will stand, and let them decide for themselves if they want to move on to a spot elsewhere.

I'm not saying someone can't stand up, but you can do it and still be considerate of those around you.

 

[Disneylover99]

I have to agree with a few posters. I am not a second class citizen at Disney. I have been both as a child and as an adult and will take my son in a few years. If you came early and grabbed a spot you shouldn't have to move for anyone unless you want to or you are endangering someone. The only people responsible for a kids view is the parents. Want them to see it? Get here early. I don't expect anyone who has paid an equal amount of money as I have for an experience to make any concessions for me me or my child.

We are not all in this together, no one paid for my tickets and my experience but me. If you want to chip in for me to come back tomorrow and see the show when I am not in your kid's way then we are in it together. As a general rule if there is space and I am at a parade I will let a kid in front of me and I will never intentionally block a kids way. However getting to a spot early does not = to intentionally blocking a kids view.

In reference to another poster who mentioned adults in M&G lines I will do these too. Again I paid to get in, whether or not I have a kid with me is irrelevant as to whether I want to enjoy all the amenities that come with my paid tickets, M&G being one.

When I go see special movies (stuff I've highly anticipated) I get there early and I get the seat I want. If people get there 5 mins before it starts and ask me to move to accommodate their big group I usually say no even if they have kids, even if it is a "kids" movie. I paid for my seat I put in my time.

I believe in common courtesy and kindness. However it is not rude to enjoy something you paid for. If Disney does not say "this area is for sitting" then I get to choose to sit or stand. It is not rude to enjoy your time as you see fit it is rude to get angry at people for enjoying what they paid for when you chose to go about it another way. No one is surprised that their are crowds at a Disney parade its not a secret.

Excellent post!