Will expected tip amounts ever get this high?

[okeydokey]

$8 on a $90 bill?!? That's less than ten percent.

Not even 10%. The waiter tipped out the bar and bus boys from that ( and most likely paid taxes on 15% of 90), so they made almost nothing from serving the person who tips poorly. How shameful.

Maybe people who refuse to tip according to the price paid, should just do counter service. I personally could not live with myself if I were that unfeeling to others.

 

[rdsx28]

I generally also tip 15-20% and mostly 20% of the pretax bill. I think the issue many people are having these days is that with the rising cost of food and prices at restaurants going up, tips are also increasing. I find at WDW some servers are truly excellent and provide terrific service and deserve their great tips. On the other hand some do not as they care little about the service they provide and with the inflated cost of meals there are most times guaranteed a tip no matter what kind of service they provide. I have experienced this at the Crystal Palace first hand we waited forever for drinks and refills and felt very rushed by the staff. We got our own food I tend not to tip the buffet staff as well. Just my thought that many just take the tip for granted. But certainly everyone deserves to be tipped well for excellent service.

 

[gljvd]

Nope. The waiter tipped out the bar and bus boys from that ( and most likely paid taxes on 15% of 90), so they made almost nothing from serving you. How shameful.

Maybe people who refuse to tip according to the price paid, should just do counter service. I personally could not live with myself if I were that unfeeling to others.

Except what they got paid hourly. I worked many retail jobs and I never got tips dispite serving others.

 

[FairestOfThemAll37]

Except what they got paid hourly. I worked many retail jobs and I never got tips dispite serving others.

Why is it so difficult to understand?

Tips for retail workers and tips for servers are not the same!

Servers pay checks are usually $0, their whole income is their tips.

If you tip less than 10-15% there's a good chance your server is paying to wait on you.

Working retail, did you ever pay to take care of the customers? My guess is no.

Maybe instead of eating out 2x per week and undertipping because that tip could go to your mortgage payment, you should wait to eat out when you can actually afford it.

 

[Colleen27]

It all comes down to whether or not you care about how your actions effect other people.

You know if you leave a good tip in a restaurant, the server, (who is a person), will be happy. You know if you leave a bad tip, the server will be unhappy. What do you do?

The only real excuse for tipping poorly is if you truly can't afford it. In that case, I would apologize to the server and explain my situation.

There comes a point where I don't care, though. By your logic I should be tossing money into every one of the obnoxious tip jars that now adorn the counters of just about every fast food joint I go to, because it will make the employees there happy. But frankly, I'm tired of an economic model based around an expectation that the customer should make up for cheap ownership/management.

I do tip waitstaff, though I wish the no-tip model would catch on in more places. I don't tip the girl at the take-out joint who rings up my food, even though there's a line for a tip on the credit card slip. I don't tip at Dairy Queen or Starbucks or the take-out sushi bar where I go for lunch. And don't even get me started on all the rest of the service industries that expect tips now, even those that are making well above minimum wage.

 

[ash_xox]

People have to understand that servers tip out the rest of the restaurant - bartenders, bussers, food runners, etc based on their sales. Not tipping at least 15-20% pretty much means the server paid to serve the customer. And believe me, it gets annoying as a server.

 

[manning]

I tip on service received....bad service bad tip, great service great tip.

 

[gljvd]

Why is it so difficult to understand?

Tips for retail workers and tips for servers are not the same!

Servers pay checks are usually $0, their whole income is their tips.

If you tip less than 10-15% there's a good chance your server is paying to wait on you.

Working retail, did you ever pay to take care of the customers? My guess is no.

Maybe instead of eating out 2x per week and undertipping because that tip could go to your mortgage payment, you should wait to eat out when you can actually afford it.

I'm lucky where I can eat out every day and afford my mortgage.

However I rather not do that. I only eat out when I'm on vacation or we don't have time to properly cook.

I rather the eatery pay their servers minimum wage or better and I pay for it through increased food costs because it would be cheaper for me in the long run than tipping.

I used to tip 20-25% depending on service until I dated a girl when I was 24. She was 22 and even though I had a good paying job out of college working 40 hours a week she still made more than me working part time as a waitress and she would complain all the time about her job where people didn't tip her enough. I've seen her work , I wouldn't tip her 15%

As for those saying that the waiters have to tip out to others , that's actually illegal in some states.

 

[manning]

[QUOTE="Enjoying Life, post: 53821769, member: 385342 The only real excuse for tipping poorly is if you truly can't afford it
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I'll remember that the next time I get bad service.

 

[kaytieeldr]

There comes a point where I don't care, though. By your logic I should be tossing money into every one of the obnoxious tip jars that now adorn the counters of just about every fast food joint I go to, because it will make the employees there happy.

Nope.

I rather the eatery pay their servers minimum wage or better and I pay for it through increased food costs because it would be cheaper for me in the long run than tipping.

But they don't and won't until/unless the minimum wage law changes.

 

[Disneyliscious]

Good thing I don't have to and I make quite a bit of money, working full time where I do.

Good to know you make "quite a bit of money". All the more reason I'm fine with tipping based on service and not a percentage.

Not even 10%. The waiter tipped out the bar and bus boys from that ( and most likely paid taxes on 15% of 90), so they made almost nothing from serving the person who tips poorly. How shameful.

Maybe people who refuse to tip according to the price paid, should just do counter service. I personally could not live with myself if I were that unfeeling to others.

There was no bar at this restaurant, and the waitress cleaned our table, not a bussboy. Our server kept her entire tip. Most restaurants do not do tip share in the area where I am because it results in a high turnover rate in servers.

ervers pay checks are usually $0, their whole income is their tips.

Wrong. I got paid every 2 weeks and received a paycheck of around $80 (was paid $2.13/hr plus tips). While thats not a lot of money in itself, it was never $0. Saying things like that, in an effort to guilt trip others, doesn't work.

I haven't seen a single person in this thread talk about it being ok to stiff a server as long as service was decent or better. Service, to many, is the complete experience and atmosphere. Either way, I bet there isn't a server breathing who would tell you to stay home rather than take your $5-$8 tip. So to all of you with the "you need to just stay home until you can tip more" attitudes.....WHO are you really hurting by suggesting that?

Lets also remember that for the servers who arent at the top of the food chain, and average minimum wage.....many of them (out of necessity) receive state medical coverage for themselves and their kids AND get a $3000-$7500 Earned Income Tax refund at tax time (if they have kids). Many wait staff are single parents and fall into this bracket. Im not saying anything is wrong with this. The system is there if they need it, and some do, but lets not forget their "total income". And a 20-25% tip versus a 10% tip isn't going to change their income enough to get them out of that bracket.

 

[bunnyboo]

California is one of the states which apply the minimum wage requirements to waitstaff. Maybe a poster from one of those states could comment. Not sure what I'd do.

Servers make $9 per hour in California. Where I live sales tax used to be around 8.xx%, now it's around 9.xx%. When I was younger and my parents still paid for our meals, I remember expected tip being around 10% for lunch and 15% for dinner. Now it's 15-20% no distinction between lunch or dinner. So yea, even though servers make minimum wage and tax is high, we're still expected to tip like everyone else.

I've had great service at restaurants before, and tip more. I've also had horrible service from some servers, but I always still felt guilty about leaving under 15%. I think bad servers will be bad servers regardless of tip, most would probably just blame the customer for being cheap rather than own up to it and realize the tip was low due to poor service. So to me, tipping isn't the way to ensure decent service at restaurants. (that should be through the hiring process, training, evals, etc)

I travel a lot to other countries where there is no tipping, and I really much prefer it. I don't mind paying higher prices for food and not having to deal with tip.

 

[maxiesmom]

I rather the eatery pay their servers minimum wage or better and I pay for it through increased food costs because it would be cheaper for me in the long run than tipping.

I'd rather they shut down MK to everyone but me and my family when we visit, but instead I have to deal with reality, and a bunch of other guests.

If you are not prepared to deal with table service restaurants and how they function NOW, you should stay home. There is no excuse for under-tipping. NONE.

 

[eliza61]

Why is it so difficult to understand?

Tips for retail workers and tips for servers are not the same!

Servers pay checks are usually $0, their whole income is their tips.

If you tip less than 10-15% there's a good chance your server is paying to wait on you.

Working retail, did you ever pay to take care of the customers? My guess is no.

Maybe instead of eating out 2x per week and undertipping because that tip could go to your mortgage payment, you should wait to eat out when you can actually afford it.

I guess for the same reason YOU can't understand that people don't undertip because they can't afford it, people undertip because the service is BAD and I don't pay for product that I don't get. EVER.

GRATUITY, definition A gratuity (also called a tip) is a sum of money customarily tendered, in addition to the basic price, to certain service sector workers for a service performed or anticipated. Tips and their amount are a matter of social custom, and the custom varies between countries and settings.

a gift of money, over and above payment due for service, as to a waiter or bellhop; tip

Notice that both of these definitions mention the word service and not salary. seems very simple, if the server performs the service, they get the gratuity. Also notice the line where it says it is a social custom.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I guess for the same reason YOU can't understand that people don't undertip because they can't afford it, people undertip because the service is BAD and I don't pay for product that I don't get. EVER.

Not one person in this thread who regularly undertips or detests tipping does so because service was bad. You all just don't like the way restaurant tipping works in the United States. Go back and read the thread. "All the [server] does is...", "$2.50 per diner is plenty...", "It's the [server's] fault that my overall dining experience was made less enjoyable by the loud table, and my tip shows that...", ...

 

[daughtersrus]

Wouldn't it be a lot easier if we eliminate the practice of tipping and had employers pay their workers a fair wage? If the business needs to raise prices, so be it. The customer then knows the prices up front and choose to go to the business or not.

 

[eliza61]

Not one person in this thread who regularly undertips or detests tipping does so because service was bad. You all just don't like the way restaurant tipping works in the United States. Go back and read the thread. "All the [server] does is...", "$2.50 per diner is plenty...", "It's the [server's] fault that my overall dining experience was made less enjoyable by the loud table, and my tip shows that...", ...

I totally admit that I don't like the way the tipping service works but that doesn't mean I regularly undertip.
The reason why I don't like the way the service works is because it rewards mediocre service when the tips are automatic.
Now I've said routinely I could care less what the server makes nor do I care whether a server can live on his salary. That's their business and I'm not about to go to wdw and start wondering how the cm's are surviving.
my opinion is that is between an employer and the employee. If servers feel they have a lower minimum wage, do like the fast food workers and start demonstrating. When I start getting bonuses simply because of my salary then I start tipping simply because of their salary.

I simply want the freedom to make the tip solely based on my experience. My example was my recent cruise where ever single transaction I was automatically charged a 18% gratuity. coffee rung up 18%, ring up a picture frame 18%.

That is extortion plan and simple imo. so yes I admit I detest having money taken from me without my input, decision or consent. a tip is supposed to be a "choice" when you make it automatic, I have to now fight to get it removed if the service is lousy.

So at the end of the cruise I had to go stand in line and make sure that the large % of my gratuity went to the cabin steward who actually took care of me and my family and not the kid behind the ice cream counter who simply made one lousy ice cream cone.

Ehat happens in 4 years if they don't raise the minimum wage, am I then expected to tip 33% because their wages haven't increased?? seriously?

 

[TwoMisfits]

Whether you like the US tipping custom or not, it is still to the customer's advantage to follow it. Regular good tipping will help get you regular good service, especially if you frequent one or two restaurants often. You become known and known as someone who doesn't stiff the staff and they start to remember your party size, your extra needs without asking (like extra napkins, straws for hot chocolate, a quick check, a high chair, etc), and your preferred level of service (very attentive and always checking back or more relaxed and laid back with a smile). I find I get better service at my "regular" sites b/c I set the bar well with staff...

 

[mylittlebuttercup]

Wouldn't it be a lot easier if we eliminate the practice of tipping and had employers pay their workers a fair wage? If the business needs to raise prices, so be it. The customer then knows the prices up front and choose to go to the business or not.

Personally, I think if this ever happened, a lot more people might be complaining about lackluster service because the incentive of a good tip is no longer there.

My example was my recent cruise where ever single transaction I was automatically charged a 18% gratuity. coffee rung up 18%, ring up a picture frame 18%.

They don't charge a gratuity on the cruises to ring up merchandise like a picture frame.

 

[LadyBJ]

Bad service, good service, they expect you to tip anyway right? So, I don't see why it would be different if the prices were raised and the practice of tipping abolished. Good servers will be good servers and bad servers will be bad.