Why dont people plan?

I agree it's important to plan. But we've changed how we plan. We used to do later dinners. Now we book them between 5 and 6. So much nicer. We're all about fast passes and whatever has a wait of 20 minutes or less and my teenage children love the character meet and greets.
 
If your goal was to do something exclusive, then your German vacation met your personal goal.

My goal isn't the same. To me, vacation = freedom. My goal is something closer to Easy Rider, but with hotel rooms.

And that is precisely my point! Those things were important to me on my trip to Germany, so I booked them way in advance. They didn't matter to you so you didn't. We had different trips, I'm sure we both loved it. It's the same with Disney. If what is important to someone is total freedom, they won't make ADRs, they'll be happy with QS, or with whatever is available day-of, and I am certain that they will have a wonderful time, because their goals and expectations are not the same as those who've planned every single ADRs at 180+10.
 
I have little patience with people who do no homework. We just returned from Aulani and a dad at the pool was complaining about what a rip off the character breakfast was. His daughter wanted to see the princesses and she cried during the whole breakfast because there were no princesses there. One phone call would have told him there would be no princesses at the breakfast and he could have prevented his daughter's disappointment and her melt down. And I'm sure he went home telling everyone how bad the resort was.
 
My husband thinks I'm crazy for reserving restaurants months in advance and fast passes weeks out, but it seems to me that in order to have a good Disney trip anymore this is all necessary (at least during peak season).
 

The pictures you posted of the Disney prompts: that only works if you receive them BEFORE your vacation, or BEFORE 180 or 60 days out. Mine arrived (as well as the start planning email) after I arrived home.
I was wondering about that, because I haven't received anything like this (traveling in August). Do most people receive prompts like this, and on time so as to be useful? We are staying on property and reserved through WDW, BTW.
 
I was wondering about that, because I haven't received anything like this (traveling in August). Do most people receive prompts like this, and on time so as to be useful? We are staying on property and reserved through WDW, BTW.
I booked my last trip at 65 days out. Received that same brochure for that trip as well. This time I went thru a TA, last time I booked directly with Disney. I was looking for it last night to see if it still listed the 180 day mark since I was already passed that date...have no idea where it is though, or if I threw it away.

When did you book? It usually arrives within 2 weeks.
 
I love to plan!

I was shocked when a really friendly couple with young children turned around to me in a lonnnnnnnnng bag check line and asked me if I had ever been to EPCOT. They said it was their last day of their vacation and MK looked really crowded, and asked me if EPCOT would be crowded and if their daughters would be able to see Anna and Elsa there. I was more than happy to help them plan it out (They ended up just staying in MK to wait to see A&E). Whenever I see confused people in need of assistance in the parks, I'll try to jump in and help them the best I can. I was baffled that someone wouldn't even know what EPCOT was, but I just remember that there was a time when I was the same way. I'm just a big planner in all aspects of my life.
 
I booked my last trip at 65 days out. Received that same brochure for that trip as well. This time I went thru a TA, last time I booked directly with Disney. I was looking for it last night to see if it still listed the 180 day mark since I was already passed that date...have no idea where it is though, or if I threw it away.

When did you book? It usually arrives within 2 weeks.
I booked in mid-April, so I guess about 7 weeks ago.
 
I can't imagine that there is ANYONE who goes to DW knowing absolutely nothing about it. Speaking as someone who lives in a tourist town, we see all the time, people arriving, knowing what is here, but not realizing it's only at certain times of year that it's available, or having an expectation of being able to do something only in e commercials.
Much of that is culture - tv, movies, magazines all show you the FABULOUS time you can have at xyz, but don't show you the small print.

The Disney company itself contributes to its visitors not realizing the reeeeeediculous amount of planning required to do everything they show you in their commercials. Everyone has seen the one where the family checks in, and each member says what they want to do the the girl behind the desk: "I want to eat with the princesses"....and she "magically" makes it happen

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we went last September, a "slow" time of the year, and I was blown away by how different the experience was than three years before....so many people, so many lines. I booked BBB 6 months in advance, and still couldn't get it at MK. I missed my FP+ window by 24 hours (not thinking it would be becoming my day at midnight :laughing:) and the more popular FPs weren't available until 5 days into our vacation.

We'll try one more trip in 2017 to celebrate our littlest's birthday, and assuming it will be even more chaotic than the last one...that'll likely be it for us.

When planning your vacation becomes your job, and you're not a TA :thumbsup2, of course not everyone wants to do that.
 
I booked in mid-April, so I guess about 7 weeks ago.
Ok then I would definitely call. You should have it already! I even had a 3 day hold on a Spring Break time vacation- and still received those same documents, and I let the hold expire without booking. That actually created a mess, I didn't think something like that would be coming- and my son retrieved the mail that day and recognized the envelope. Not a good convo after lol, our upcoming trip is a surprise one, so I knew to look out for it this time.

I really think I received mine in less than a week. Not totally sure, but I know it definitely wasn't more than 2. I booked the December trip in March of this year.

Maybe someone else with a recent trip could chime in?

ETA- I just checked my messages, I remember telling a friend when I received the other booklet because I was so surprised that it was sent before I actually paid the deposit. And that I was upset that my son had seen it. It was within 7 business days of the "hold"
 
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Speaking as someone who lives in a tourist town, we see all the time, people arriving, knowing what is here, but not realizing it's only at certain times of year that it's available, or having an expectation of being able to do something only in e commercials.
Totally had this happen when I lived in Jackson Hole. People would show up in the summer wanting to see the elk on the elk refuge. Well, they are only there in the winter. Quick internet search or phone call would have revealed that info.
 
Ok then I would definitely call. You should have it already! I even had a 3 day hold on a Spring Break time vacation- and still received those same documents, and I let the hold expire without booking. That actually created a mess, I didn't think something like that would be coming- and my son retrieved the mail that day and recognized the envelope. Not a good convo after lol, our upcoming trip is a surprise one, so I knew to look out for it this time.

I really think I received mine in less than a week. Not totally sure, but I know it definitely wasn't more than 2. I booked the December trip in March of this year.

Maybe someone else with a recent trip could chime in?

ETA- I just checked my messages, I remember telling a friend when I received the other booklet because I was so surprised that it was sent before I actually paid the deposit. And that I was upset that my son had seen it. It was within 7 business days of the "hold"
OK, thanks for the info! What exactly should I ask for when I call? The planning booklet?
 
I just read all the pages of this thread which in and of itself deserves a prize. The commonality that I see is that there are three distinct groups. Uber planners - who love the researching and the planner from booking their room, to researching what ADRs they should make, to getting the perfect FP. The middle of the road planner - plans so ADRs and maybe a few FP but would much prefer to go at their own pace and change plans day of as needed, and the wing it planners - those who don't want/need to plan their entire vacation and are perfectly happy with going with the flow.

I think there's a fourth group: the people who simply don't know about planning. As many other people have posted, these folks don't realize (for whatever reason) that a WDW vacation can be improved with some advance planning. I think we here on the DIS find it hard to imagine that people don't research the heck out of their trips. But lots of folks "don't know what they don't know." It's tempting to be a little disdainful about these folks ("don't they have access to the Internet?") but how many other vacation destinations require this type of planning? How would they even know to research something like this?

Back in the good old days (pre-FP+), you could simply make a hotel reservation, show up at WDW, and have a pretty darn good vacation. Maybe you wouldn't get into some of the more popular restaurants, but you could still wake up each morning, if you wanted, hop the first bus that arrived at your resort, and with the legacy FP system, still be able to experience some pretty short lines! Now it feels like you have to plan so far ahead, and don't have the flexibility to change your plans because you won't be able to get FPs last-minute.

I still find it pretty frustrating to have to lock myself into a specific park on a specific day, knowing that I'll be sorry if I change my plans because I'll lose out on FP+s. My friend and I went on a WDW trip a couple of years ago, right at the beginning of FP+. Because it was February, we didn't know what our weather would be like, and which days (if any) would be doable for a water park. We ended up with unexpectedly warm weather one day, and switched our plans completely, going to Typhoon Lagoon and, later that day, DHS. It took a lot of "work" to reshuffle our plans and a bunch of FPs, since switching one day's worth of FPs impacted other days, as well, because we had to re-juggle our schedule quite a bit. I is the old legacy FP system, because it provided so much more opportunity for spontaneity.
 
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OK, thanks for the info! What exactly should I ask for when I call? The planning booklet?
Yes, I'm not home or else I would take a photo of the cover for you.

It says "The (your last name here) Family's Incredible Vacation!" (With a photo of the Incredibles on the cover). It was the same in 2015 and 2016. So if you ask them about the "Incredible Vacation Booklet" they should know what you are talking about.

Please update after you call! It's so strange that you did not receive it.

The photos I posted last night are only part of it, there really is a lot of great info inside!
 
I try to help those that look clueless. We don't go annually. More like four times in the last 15 years. But I have learned the hard way that zero planning is a guaranteed melt down. I have to plan somewhere between scheduled and go with the flow. This will be the first year going during the middle of summer and I am scared to death. I have been warning my kids there will be lines! The initial plan is go in the AM and then leave around 1pm for a nap/pool time and then back to the parks. The only must dos at night has been requested as the Electrical Parade at MK. We are doing MK 2 nights so we'll catch it one or the other. I've booked ADRs and fastpasses, but left plenty of room for them to do whatever. I will be sitting down with them over the next few weeks to see what are their other must-dos. There are eight of us so deciding some things on the fly are just not an option.
Of course, planning my very first Disney trip forever ago has made me realize that some Google planning is essential wherever we go. Even if it's just on my smartphone on the way to said location.
Nothing worse than getting somewhere to see XYZ only to realize it's off season or closed because it's Sunday. Kids do not like that sort of thing and then you get rebellion which ruins most of the trip.
So for those that are going on a once of a lifetime trip I cannot believe they would not spend lots of free time making sure things went as smoothly as possible. Makes me sad because then they spend their vacation angry. I remember going when I was a kid and wanting to go inside the castle. My grandparents were like nope, it's a restaurant. They didn't even try to get reservations or inquire for the day. Just can't happen. I don't recall being too worried about it at the time, just curious. Of course, that's when characters roamed the park freely so it was a bit different. And their were only two parks.
 
My SIL "planned" for her spring break WDW family vacation 2 years in advance. Planning to her was picking the time they'd go. She booked a house in Kissimmee and bought tickets online a couple months before. When she ordered Memory Maker, I thought, "Oh good, she studied the website." Not true and they had a disappointing trip.

My husband and I decided to take a Spring Break trip a month in advance. Had ADRs where we wanted, FP that we wanted for our park day and were able to meet lots of characters. All of which SIL's family couldn't do. We had a great time.

The thing is that even when people say you can have fun at WDW last minute/without planning you still have a plan. You still know which parks are busy when, how to use EMH and park hopping to your advantage, what table service you can often walk up to, how to get FP and additional FP, rope drop, etc. etc. We don't have to plan because we already know.
 
If you're staying off-site and didn't buy your tickets through Disney, you don't get anything. Zip, zilch, nada.
Yep. And, I think this is probably a big majority of visitors to WDW (and many won't buy tickets until they arrive). I'm sure many people treat a Disney vacation much like other vacations. They go somewhere, probably make some sort of hotel reservation, and figure out the rest once they're there. Even if they read up, it'll be more about "here's the fun stuff to do" rather than "here's what you have to do if you want to plan out your trip."

My parents live in a big tourist area (Sevierville/Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg) - many people plan week-long trips there, and a LOT of people go there. Other than sometimes booking certain types of lodging (like some cabins) at the busiest times of year ahead of time, there's almost nothing you need to book ahead of time. You can almost always find several hotels in the area, even if you haven't made advance reservations. You can go to restaurants and have reasonable waits. You can do pretty much any outdoor activity by showing up day-of (or maybe making a reservation a little ahead, for some whitewater trips). You can go to the amusement park (Dollywood) with no advance reservations or plans (though they will sell you a front-of-line thing). Most of the shows in town will have many day-of tickets available, and you can often go last-minute. There are numerous mini-golf and tourist-trap attractions around - no reservations necessary. Many people are used to traveling this way - other than maybe a hotel reservation, they don't need to plan much of anything ahead of time. Sure, planning might make their vacation run a little more efficiently ("rope drop" at Dollywood lets you get more done there, too), but it's hardly necessary, and lack of planning is almost certainly not going to keep them from doing any of the things they most want to. If I told people I was planning a trip there and had planned what I'd do each day, I can easily see them saying "we prefer to wing it" and (rightfully) think that I was just overplanning.

So, it's easy to see them saying "this year we'll go to Orlando and see Disney" in the same way, and for the most part that's fine. The restaurants outside of Disney don't require booking way in advance (maybe some of the most popular ones will have long waits, but there are MANY other options that don't). The various attractions on I-drive and 192 don't require advance reservations. You can go to Sea World or Universal and don't have to have made advance reservations, buy advance tickets, or anything else. They might even think it's easier in Orlando, since most hotels will have shuttles to the parks. Maybe they realize they could save a small amount per ticket by buying some things in advance, but it's not needed, and most are willing to pay that little bit more so they aren't locked in to something. So, they show up at Disney, buy their tickets there - and they find they are facing huge lines, can't get into restaurants if they want to (though to be fair, many people will be fine with counter service), and don't know all the intricacies of what it takes to get fastpasses. I'm really at a loss as to why you would expect the average person to think they needed to plan so much ahead of time, when almost nothing else requires that much planning.

I'll admit, if you are staying on Disney property, you do get more warning, though it's still not made clear just how critical it is to plan ahead. Where I live (not a tourist area), several restaurants do take reservations, but almost none require them, except at really busy times like graduation (or for very large parties). Telling me "you can make reservations 6 months ahead of time" is utterly meaningless, and I can't imagine why I would do so, much less that I might need to do so right at that 6 month mark. Again, it is no surprise that people don't realize they have to make reservations that far ahead - I would think someone was nuts if they started reserving restaurants weeks in advance around here, even when they could. There's nothing abnormal in going up to a restaurant to ask about the wait - who would think they'd be told "you had to do reserve months ago." I especially feel sorry for those who get the dining plan, thinking that has "solved" their dining issues (when in reality, it's probably made them worse if they don't reserve ahead of time, since they are paying for meals they might not be able to use). Once you know the situation, you can look at what Disney sent and say - oh, now I see why they were saying that," but it seems reasonable that people don't really understand ahead of time.
 
We have a group of 17 who will be going to the parks the week of Thanksgiving. I am the planner for the group. It's difficult attempting to explain "why" we need to plan everything to the gnats rear to the group. We could pay for a year at a university with what we are spending on a few days as a group...I believe that deserves forethought. The rest of the family thinks I am nuts.
 
I feel bad for the people who make FPs without looking at the map (or knowing the true distance between things) and having their Fast Passes scattered in all corners of the park one after the other. Whew!.

I feel the opposite. 2/3 of our Standard FP for MK would be Space Mtn and Splash. We easily ride and cover the distance in less than our required hour. I'll gladly trade 15minutes of walking for 90minutes of standby queue!

I DO, however, wish we could book our 3FP closer together in time.

I feel bad for the folks who squander one of their 3 initial FP on something like the teacups.
 












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