Who else is glad they do NOT have a trip planned right now?

[rteetz]

I don't believe it bothers us that people are deciding not to go anymore because of FP+, I think it bothers us that they are on a Disney site trying to convince others not to go. If you don't want to go anymore then just don't, you don't have to get everybody else on your bandwagon.

exactly

 

[rteetz]

I don't pay $100 to walk in the gates at Disney to play games while waiting in long lines. Why is it OK for people supporting FP+ to tell me to use standby when it wasn't OK to tell people who hated the old system to wait standby to ride TSMM?

I'm not telling you you have to use the standby line but it is there. TSMM is probably the longest wait in all of WDW. That is one ride I use a FP for for sure. I never go on it more than once or twice a vacation so using a FP+ for it wouldn't be a problem for me. People just don't understand that this system isn't that bad it can work.

 

[nugov2]

Really? Trying to convince others not to go? Must have missed that rabid band of meanies telling people to cancel their trips because of FP+. Voicing a negative opinion is hardly trying to sway other people's feelings.

The only convincing I've seen is people trying to convince others to like FP+. Or trying to convince others to spend thousands of dollars to give it a try. Hmm, wonder where I saw that...

I've missed that too. I actually think the pro FP+ OOOO I love it people are much nastier in their posts than the ones against. Almost like they are trying to convince themselves

To answer your question OP...I am very glad we made our trip last summer. We almost waited one more year and I would be really sad. We know the time value of legacy FP and it would be hard to go and miss out on that. In a way people vacationing at WDW are walking into a trip blindly. WDW is changing so much without any transparency that you just have to hope they aren't "testing" some horrible idea while you are there. I don't like the way they are handling it, that I actually have a bigger problem with than the system. Playing games with some crappy at best system while some families are spending thousands on what could be their only trip. Plus the way they are handling the problems are so unfair and all over the place. Stacks of FP and free meals for some, while other get ooops....sorry. It may very well end up being great, but what is going on IMO is not fair to the guests. I may not have tried it personally, but if my IRL friends tell me something is bad(2 for 2 so far) and I read as many bad reviews online as good I am not excited about shelling out thousands of dollars to see for myself if we will get lucky or not. That is not stupid or any other word I've seen used to describe people not willing to take a chance until after the dust settles. I would for sure be reconsidering my trip if we had one planned. Of course since I am not in that situation it is hard to say 100% if I would cancel or not. I do know that when I win the trip a day contest I will be going to Disneyland

 

[morethananyonex]

I would love to see some of these posts convincing people never to go back. I've been around here for quite some time, and I've never seen that. I've seen people telling others to delay their vacations if they can until everything is finalized, but that's hardly the same thing.

 

[rteetz]

And for the record, I do totally see some advantages to FP+. I think it's cool that on arrival day you could get to a park in the a afternoon or evening and ride TSMM or Soarin' without being there early to get a FP_. I just also can see the disadvantages too. One thing I'm certain of is that the DIS is full of smart creative people and will figure out how to work the new system (whatever the end product may be) to their advantage. We just need to know what that final system is.

well said

 

[practicallyperfect77]

well said

Thanks! I am honestly trying my hardest to see both sides. I truly do think there are advantages and disadvantages to the new system. Right now the disadvantages are more impactful than the advantages. I really just wish Disney would rip off the bandaid and let us know what the final product will be. Would make planning a lot easier.

 

[Shaden]

Why?

Let's say someone likes a dish at a restaurant. It's their absolute favourite. This person hates spicy food. The restaurant decides that majority of their customers love spice so they add hot peppers to the dish. Does the person need to try the dish to know they aren't going to like it?

There are aspects of FP+ that people know conflict with their touring styles in a big way. They don't need to try out the system to realize that. It's like if I called someone silly and kind of sad for thinking they're going to like the system before they try it because they think it will work nicely for their family. It's rude.

ETA: The comment you added is completely unfair. Unless those same people were crying for a change to the FP system, you can't try and make them seem "silly" when they don't like the change that was made.

Flawed analogy. You're getting the same product, but less of it and in a different fashion.

HAHAHAHAHA worst response ever.

Oh that's the same car as last year, its just smaller and has different features. Or, Hey you are still getting chicken in that dish, now there is just less of it and its coated in a completely different sauce. Or hey Windows 8 is the same as Windows vista, I mean, its still an operating system, its just a different interface and has a few different features, same thing though.

LOL

 

[rteetz]

Thanks! I am honestly trying my hardest to see both sides. I truly do think there are advantages and disadvantages to the new system. Right now the disadvantages are more impactful than the advantages. I really just wish Disney would rip off the bandaid and let us know what the final product will be. Would make planning a lot easier.

disney isn't going to do that yet because they aren't even sure what the exact final product is. I think they are close but not done yet. By early summer we should have a good idea if we know a final product or not.

 

[morethananyonex]

Thanks! I am honestly trying my hardest to see both sides. I truly do think there are advantages and disadvantages to the new system. Right now the disadvantages are more impactful than the advantages. I really just wish Disney would rip off the bandaid and let us know what the final product will be. Would make planning a lot easier.

Totally agree.

It's hard to imagine the current FP+ system being the final version. Ignoring people's feelings about it, it doesn't make sense from Disney's perspective. They've spent years getting people out of the lines and into their stores and restaurants, only to put them back in the lines again? There's got to be more to it. At the very least, I have a hard time imagining a final system where there is a hard limit of 3 in MK, park hopping is discouraged, and offsite guests aren't locked into their schedules before they arrive.

The problem for me right now is I go in almost 2 weeks. The future doesn't really matter to me at the moment, but it would be nice if they would get on with the show already so we can use it as it is intended. Their secrecy during this rollout is also concerning from a guest perspective. We should not have to rely on fan sites to find out what's going on, both big and small issues.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

disney isn't going to do that yet because they aren't even sure what the exact final product is. I think they are close but not done yet. By early summer we should have a good idea if we know a final product or not.

Oh I know. Which is why I'm waiting to put any money down.

 

[rteetz]

Oh I know. Which is why I'm waiting to put any money down.

good idea were looking into July time frame and haven't done anything yet either. We probably won't until February or March.

 

[mill4023]

I just read all the replies and have a couple of thoughts:

First, it would seem that most of the people who have said they liked it, were staying onsite. For those people, it has both advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that you can book FP's ahead of time and don't have to worry about getting to the park at rope drop. The disadvantages are that you are limited to 3, those 3 are tiered, and you can't get FP's in more than one park.

For offsite visitors, there are more disadvantages and no real advantages. In addition to the same disadvantages as onsite visitors, you also have a greatly reduced number of FP's available because many(most?) will be gone before you wake up the morning of your park visit.

So I can see why onsite guests would have mixed feelings about it. But I really can't see how any offsite guests would like FP+ in it's current state.

Second, there were a lot of comments about not judging it before trying it to see if it worked for you. I don't have to try it to know that being limited to 3 FP's will make it worse than the old system for us. I also don't have to try it to know that if onsite guests can book in advance and I can't, that's going to make it worse than the old system.

So there are a few reasons I'm glad I'm not planning a trip now:
The way FP+ is being operated now, I KNOW that it would make our trip less enjoyable. This is just common sense, not a case of "try it, you might like it".
We don't know whether the limit of 3 will continue.
We don't know if tiering will continue (or expand to all parks).
We don't know if offsite guests will be able to book in advance.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

Totally agree.

It's hard to imagine the current FP+ system being the final version. Ignoring people's feelings about it, it doesn't make sense from Disney's perspective. They've spent years getting people out of the lines and into their stores and restaurants, only to put them back in the lines again? There's got to be more to it. At the very least, I have a hard time imagining a final system where there is a hard limit of 3 in MK, park hopping is discouraged, and offsite guests aren't locked into their schedules before they arrive.

The problem for me right now is I go in almost 2 weeks. The future doesn't really matter to me at the moment, but it would be nice if they would get on with the show already so we can use it as it is intended. Their secrecy during this rollout is also concerning from a guest perspective. We should not have to rely on fan sites to find out what's going on, both big and small issues.

(((Hugs))) I can totally see your concern and felt the same way a few months back. Found out on here that I wouldn't be getting a KTTW card and was MB only since I was at Pop. I did have a great time but I would have given up FP+ in exchange for FP_ any day. Best of luck to you! If I had any advice it would be to plan for no FP_ and then if by some luck you still get it in HS and EP it will be a good thing.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

I just read all the replies and have a couple of thoughts:

First, it would seem that most of the people who have said they liked it, were staying onsite. For those people, it has both advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that you can book FP's ahead of time and don't have to worry about getting to the park at rope drop. The disadvantages are that you are limited to 3, those 3 are tiered, and you can't get FP's in more than one park.

For offsite visitors, there are more disadvantages and no real advantages. In addition to the same disadvantages as onsite visitors, you also have a greatly reduced number of FP's available because many(most?) will be gone before you wake up the morning of your park visit.

So I can see why onsite guests would have mixed feelings about it. But I really can't see how any offsite guests would like FP+ in it's current state.

Second, there were a lot of comments about not judging it before trying it to see if it worked for you. I don't have to try it to know that being limited to 3 FP's will make it worse than the old system for us. I also don't have to try it to know that if onsite guests can book in advance and I can't, that's going to make it worse than the old system.

So there are a few reasons I'm glad I'm not planning a trip now:
The way FP+ is being operated now, I KNOW that it would make our trip less enjoyable. This is just common sense, not a case of "try it, you might like it".
We don't know whether the limit of 3 will continue.
We don't know if tiering will continue (or expand to all parks).
We don't know if offsite guests will be able to book in advance.

You gotta do, what ya gotta do. And I agree with all you stated. I really truly believe that it all boils down to your expectations....and it should. If you're fine soaking up the atmosphere and riding a few rides great. But if you expect to be able to ride your favorites a lot and not rope drop and not stand in long lines, ya better wait. That doesn't mean one way is right and one is wrong.....folks just have different opinions.

 

[kathie859]

Well, I'll report back how awful FP+ is after our upcoming 8 night stay. We check in on Saturday We have our FP+ all made and admit that linking 2 reservations together required a phone call to Disney IT folks, plus call another to add our missing passes to the reservation on MDE.

As a frequent WDW visitor and a user of the legacy FP system, it will be interesting to see what, if any, impact the new system will have on our stay.
Of course, I remember when there was only one park and no FP system at all so I'm not quite sure what the brew ha ha is about.

 

[daisy_77]

We were there at the right time. In September/October. We had the MB and also had KTTK cards. It was awesome! Now that things are getting a little hairy and more and more people are using the FP+ option. It just seems kinda stressful.

Although, I am too tired to even think of planning a trip for right now...I am so excited to be planning one for winter 2016 and a DL trip next winter.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Our next trip is an onsite trip to Universal. There is no planning to do for it, which feels odd, but definitely easier.

I'm not sure I'm as excited about going to Universal versus Disney (my kids pushed this, not me lol), but it does feel a lot less stressful.

 

[rteetz]

I just read all the replies and have a couple of thoughts: First, it would seem that most of the people who have said they liked it, were staying onsite. For those people, it has both advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that you can book FP's ahead of time and don't have to worry about getting to the park at rope drop. The disadvantages are that you are limited to 3, those 3 are tiered, and you can't get FP's in more than one park. For offsite visitors, there are more disadvantages and no real advantages. In addition to the same disadvantages as onsite visitors, you also have a greatly reduced number of FP's available because many(most?) will be gone before you wake up the morning of your park visit. So I can see why onsite guests would have mixed feelings about it. But I really can't see how any offsite guests would like FP+ in it's current state. Second, there were a lot of comments about not judging it before trying it to see if it worked for you. I don't have to try it to know that being limited to 3 FP's will make it worse than the old system for us. I also don't have to try it to know that if onsite guests can book in advance and I can't, that's going to make it worse than the old system. So there are a few reasons I'm glad I'm not planning a trip now: The way FP+ is being operated now, I KNOW that it would make our trip less enjoyable. This is just common sense, not a case of "try it, you might like it". We don't know whether the limit of 3 will continue. We don't know if tiering will continue (or expand to all parks). We don't know if offsite guests will be able to book in advance.

there is only tiering in two parks Epcot and DHS. So far during the tests they have not been running out of FPs a lot. Thats may change once DHS goes all FP+. TSM will probably be gone quick. Off site guests are essentially doing the same thing as before they still have to go the parks to get their FP+ just you get them all at one place instead of going to each ride. Not every on site guest will book them in advance especially because many don't read these websites and many don't do a lot of planning. I understand everyone is not going to like it disney knows that as well, they can't please everyone that's not possible.

 

[morethananyonex]

(((Hugs))) I can totally see your concern and felt the same way a few months back. Found out on here that I wouldn't be getting a KTTW card and was MB only since I was at Pop. I did have a great time but I would have given up FP+ in exchange for FP_ any day. Best of luck to you! If I had any advice it would be to plan for no FP_ and then if by some luck you still get it in HS and EP it will be a good thing.

Unless some sort of miracle happens and Disney reverses their "test", we already know we won't have FP-. That ship has sailed for us, as we have a vacation package so no separate ticket to pull with. After the KTTW cards were announced as going, didn't really matter to us whether or not a park went FP+ only.

It would be nice if we had a chance to experience rumoured changes that happen once all parks go FP+ only, but it appears we're right in that sweet spot where FP- is gone but there won't be enough time to implement any changes.

If Disney had been clear about what they were doing, we would never have booked a February trip.

 

[mom2rtk]

You gotta do, what ya gotta do. And I agree with all you stated. I really truly believe that it all boils down to your expectations....and it should. If you're fine soaking up the atmosphere and riding a few rides great. But if you expect to be able to ride your favorites a lot and not rope drop and not stand in long lines, ya better wait. That doesn't mean one way is right and one is wrong.....folks just have different opinions.

It really is that simple, isn't it?