Who else is glad they do NOT have a trip planned right now?

I think you need to go back one more time and stay at CS. ;)

:rotfl2: I've thought about that.

One other thing that's disappointing is that the parks are very, very, very crowded now. Much more so than they were even a few years ago. I find that to be much more of a negative than I used to. We almost always go at slow times but have been there at holidays and at peak seasons too.
 
We have no wdw trips planned as of now. Using our dvc points to head to Hawaii this summer. After that might head to DL...also want to take kids to Europe. If they decide to allow park hopping with fp + we may revisit idea of going but not till 2015 at least.
 
I am really happy we have a trip planned for February and can't wait to go. If FP+ doesn't work well we will still be at Disney and we will still be on holiday and we will still have a fab Time. I am past the point where how many times I ride space mountain makes or breaks my trip. There is a lot more to the world and the local area than roller coasters.

Truest facts. I'm going January 21st-28th. We'll be together as a family, we'll get to ride everything we want because we've planned, and we're willing to be patient if we have to wait in line (and I've been in a 5 hour line back in 1995 for the opening of the Indiana Jones Adventure, so 30 minutes ain't no thang!). I'm definitely not choosing to spend hours on a message board chicken littling it up. It's going to be a blast.
 
If you are going to suggest we shouldn't let people's negative experiences get us down, or more accurately make us worry, think negatively, about the impact of FP+ on our trips, then why the heck would we let people's positive review do the opposite ?

I would definitely recommend everyone, read both Pros and Cons from "people who have actually experienced Fastpass+".

Those that had not been yet, and are sure it is the end of the WDW World, sorry I can not respect that as viable.

If your touring style was basically pulling multiple Fastpasses during the same day for the same rides, then yes you are probably not going to like this change.

Honestly that is the only reason I can see why someone would not like the change. However if the changes will really make this an unpleasant experience, I definitely recommend, that those try another location for a vacation. I would never spend my money going someplace I was not excited about.
 

Sammie said:
I would definitely recommend everyone, read both Pros and Cons from "people who have actually experienced Fastpass+".

Those that had not been yet, and are sure it is the end of the WDW World, sorry I can not respect that as viable.

If your touring style was basically pulling multiple Fastpasses during the same day for the same rides, then yes you are probably not going to like this change.

Honestly that is the only reason I can see why someone would not like the change.

There are other reasons to be concerned...esp. as the parent(of a small toddler) who also wants to experience adult attractions. Fp+ requires making the choice.between fping child attractions (to keep antsy toddlers.out of long lines) and fping adult attractions so the family isn't apart for 2-3 hrs for the parents to be able to ride the.mountains (as sb for the mountains can easily be 60 mins in busy seasons, like our spring break trip last year).

You truly can't understand why that would be a change we wouldn't like, considering we never had to make that choice with fp+ because we could fp her rides and.our rides and experience everything with pretty short lines, even during same said busy season?
 
Those that had not been yet, and are sure it is the end of the WDW World, sorry I can not respect that as viable.

I think anyone who has experience using MDE and has spent time trying to set up their vacation from the Disney website has a viable opinion.
 
Pulling more than 3 FP per day and riding the most popular attractions several times a day were never key to our visits, so yes we would have no problem visiting right now under MB and FP+. Quite certain we could still plan and enjoy a WDW vacation just as before, experience the entire parks and get value out of the costs of such a trip.
 
I'm glad we're waiting until 2015. Not that I wouldn't love to be in WDW right now. :)

DH loves WDW, maybe almost as much as me, but he has trouble justifying the expense, especially since we're now a family of 5, four of which are considered Disney Adults, 1 Disney Child. Doing the same trip we did 3 years ago is that much more expensive.

He has his own Disney expectations, and I'm glad he won't be there during all the changes. Also, that I'll have time to get an idea of how well (or not) things are going and break it to him gently.

I remember our first trip, a dozen years ago. It was so care free, so go-with-the-flow. I know people were still going commando back then, but there wasn't this over planning of every minute of every day insanity that's going on now.

Not to imply that commando-style and planning are insane. I love planning and researching myself, so I understand why people are drawn to that style. But I also appreciate being casual -- stopping to check out a shop you've never been in because something caught your eye and getting lost in there for 45 minutes, or seeing a street performer like the tree/vine lady in AK and just sitting there to enjoy the show without having to worry so much about, "No time to check out that totally awesome thing because we have ADR's and FP+'s scheduled and while we're on that side of the park we have 2 more rides and a show we have to get to."

Don't get me wrong, I understand the convenience of FP+ as opposed to the FP-. Now, you get to choose what time suits you and your group instead of getting a random time. Which fits well with the commando planners: Fantasyland in the morning, Adventureland after lunch, Tomorrowland in the evening, and they can time their FP+'s accordingly.

Yet if you take a step back and look at it from another view, look at it from the view of someone who has never gone and is being overwhelmed with information, look at it from the view of someone who thinks a vacation is a casual, do what you feel like doing when you feel like doing it kind of thing, it's gotten a little over-the-top.

For example, as I mentioned, we're a family of 5 and are mostly considering Villas for our 2015 trip. We're looking into renting DVC points (haven't decided definitively yet). If we go that route, the company we may end up using recommends trying to book at 11 months out. We're a little more than 12 months away right now, and we can't decide which DVC. If we wait too long, we won't have to decide which one we want, because they'll be booked up! We'll have to get what we get.

And then, six months before the trip, you have to decide where you're going to eat and at what time. Therefore, you already have to have somewhat of a schedule because normal people aren't going to start their day at AK for breakfast ADR's, hop to MK for lunch ADR's, spend an afternoon at Blizzard Beach, and then hit MK for dinner ADR's.

So you have to plan which parks on which days before 180 days out so that you have time to decide which restaurant you want to eat at in the corresponding parks/resorts so you can be on the phone bright and early making those ADR's on day 180, otherwise you won't have the chance to get your favorite steak at your favorite WDW restaurant. Or you'll have to swap your park days because it's already booked so you switch your HS and EP park days to get your favorite restaurant at all during your trip, which means you have to change the ADR's you already made for your HS day, because you aren't going to be at HS that day at all anymore.

And now, with the FP+, you have to plan around your ADR's (1 hour before an ADR and 2 hours after an ADR are blocked off), and you have to decide which part of the park you're going to be in at which time of the day 60 days out for fear that TSMM will be stand-by only if you don't. (P.S. I also read a rumor on this board that someone told someone that in the future you might be able to book FP+'s at 90 days out.)

Think about it. Disney knows 11 months in advance when you'll be there, how long you're staying. At 6 months out, they already know which park(s) you'll be visiting based on your ADR's, and they're even narrowing it down to which part of the park you'll be in at which time of day with the FP+ system (or they'll know you're hopping because you're morning ADR is in MK and your FP+'s are at EP in the afternoon).

Basically, Disney will have an itinerary for every person staying on resort property. They know you will be in the park by 9am because you have a breakfast ADR at whichever restaurant. They know you will be heading over to Splash mountain at 11am. By 2 pm you will be at BOG for a late lunch. At 4pm you will have moved over to Tomorrowland because you have Buzz FP+'s, and another FP+ at 5:15 for Space Mountain. You will then head back to the castle for your dinner ADR, and you will most likely be on Main Street at 8pm to get a good view of Wishes (because isn't everyone standing on MS during Wishes?).

They'll know your every move 2 months before you ever step foot on their property. Not to get all "Big Brother" or anything, but that just seems silly to me, since I'm someone that wakes up in the morning and uses the Disney pin with the four parks on it and an arrow that you flick to decide where we're going today. But if you don't do what Disney wants, and you don't plan out your meals 6 months before your vacation, you're stuck eating counter service the whole time or making rice krispy Mickey heads your lunch (not that that's so terrible, lol). And no FP's for you because you didn't plan enough (or maybe you'll get lucky and be able to ride the stinky Stitch ride 3 times that day, woot!).

I'd also like to apologize because I had no intention of rambling on this long when I started this post!
 
We have a trip planned for late June and we can't wait!!!
With that said..... I think the new programs required way more advance planning on our part. Not *just* picking 3 FP+ , but planning the whole day for every day we're there so we KNOW which 3 FP+ rides we want each day.

I never get tired of the rides, would ride everyone 10 times each if I could
(with the exception of maybe 3 or 4 that we dont like such as stitch, Dumbo, Astro orbiter, Carpets of aladin etc)

This new system required more planning for my group (and I know everybody tours differently) to be sure to get at least 2 rides each for the big ones etc

If I suddenly won the lottery, I would book a trip IMMEDIATELY for the next convenient week my kiddos were out of school or could miss a few days.

The unknown aspect of what to expect EXACTLY is frustrating , an email from WDW to a guest had this statement "However, due to the test-and-adjust nature of MyMagic®+, including
Disney FastPass®+ service and MagicBands®, we unfortunately cannot
provide details regarding upcoming changes, should there be any."

test-and-adjust ...... just doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling but I'm a creature of habit, I like familiarity.
But I will have faith that my favorite vacation destination wont totally mess things up....cuz that would be a bad business move, yes?
 
We were the "power users" of FP during our 2011 WDW visit and I know my next trip, whenever it is, will be different. Although I'm starting to get that itch to go back, I'm glad I have no immediate plans while they sort everything out. I certainly won't be able to wait until after they finish Avatarland, so we'll probably be back in a couple years.

I do have the good fortune of having Disneyland much closer in the meantime.

PHXscuba
 
I would definitely recommend everyone, read both Pros and Cons from "people who have actually experienced Fastpass+".

Those that had not been yet, and are sure it is the end of the WDW World, sorry I can not respect that as viable.

If your touring style was basically pulling multiple Fastpasses during the same day for the same rides, then yes you are probably not going to like this change.

Honestly that is the only reason I can see why someone would not like the change. However if the changes will really make this an unpleasant experience, I definitely recommend, that those try another location for a vacation. I would never spend my money going someplace I was not excited about.

I haven't seen anyone say it's the end of the world.

Here are some of the things I don't like:
1. Being restricted to 3 FP
2. Being stuck with the leftovers after the onsite guests have prebooked
2. Not being able to get FP in more than one park on the same day
3. Not being able to get 2 FP's for Splash if we want to ride it in the afternoon and again in the evening.
4. Not being able to get a FP for Rock n Roller Coaster AND Toy Story on the same day.
5. Not being able to get a FP for Soarin AND Test Track on the same day

Can you honestly say I need to try FP+ before I can have a valid opinion on those things?

Notice that only one of the items in my list is related to riding the same ride more than once.

For the record, our strategy was always to be at rope drop, hit the most popular attractions first, then start getting FP's when the wait times got over 15 minutes. We planned the first hour or two of each day, but were pretty open and flexible for the rest of the day.

With that touring style, we could easily use 7 or 8 FP's in a day at MK and we almost never waited in a line longer than 15 minutes. Now we only get 3 and it will be almost impossible to avoid long waits on many rides. Gee, how could I possibly have a negative opinion about that. ;)

Now just to be clear, I'm not saying it's the end of the world or that I'm giving up WDW. Like all other changes, we will adapt to whatever FP+ ends up being and I'm sure we will still manage to have a great vacation. I think our new strategy will probably be to get FP's for the most popular rides in the afternoon and continue to do rope drop to hit the others when they are least crowded.
But there is no doubt that in the current state, the changes are negative for anyone staying offsite and for anyone who liked the old FP system and had a good strategy for using it.

I have no problem whatsoever when someone who is pro FP+ voices their opinion. But I find it annoying when the pro FP+'ers act like anyone who has a negative opinion is either a gloom and doom'er or doesn't have the right to a valid opinion because they haven't used it yet.
 
I keep reading this thread and I'm just stumped by all the reactions. I mean, it's just a bunch of rides and WDW is so much more. I don't know, I guess we all see the value in different things but this isn't going to keep me from taking my kids and spending time with my family. And yes, we had a good experience like I've already said, but the memories I've taken home with me have very little to do with FP+. :)
 
I never thought I would say this, but I really am glad I don't have an upcoming trip planned. I feel bad for those who get to be the guinea pigs for the FP+ mess.
We haven't been since 2011 and I'm really wanting to go again, but I'm definitely waiting until the testing is done and things have stabilized.
Actually, I'm thinking maybe a Universal/Sea World trip later this year and hold off on Disney until 2015. Yes, I know Universal doesn't have free Express, but at least I already know how everything works there and how to make it work for us.

Not me! I am thrilled to have a trip planned! That is when I am at my happiest!
 
I haven't seen anyone say it's the end of the world.

Here are some of the things I don't like:
1. Being restricted to 3 FP
2. Being stuck with the leftovers after the onsite guests have prebooked
2. Not being able to get FP in more than one park on the same day
3. Not being able to get 2 FP's for Splash if we want to ride it in the afternoon and again in the evening.
4. Not being able to get a FP for Rock n Roller Coaster AND Toy Story on the same day.
5. Not being able to get a FP for Soarin AND Test Track on the same day

Can you honestly say I need to try FP+ before I can have a valid opinion on those things?

Notice that only one of the items in my list is related to riding the same ride more than once.

For the record, our strategy was always to be at rope drop, hit the most popular attractions first, then start getting FP's when the wait times got over 15 minutes. We planned the first hour or two of each day, but were pretty open and flexible for the rest of the day.

With that touring style, we could easily use 7 or 8 FP's in a day at MK and we almost never waited in a line longer than 15 minutes. Now we only get 3 and it will be almost impossible to avoid long waits on many rides. Gee, how could I possibly have a negative opinion about that. ;)

Now just to be clear, I'm not saying it's the end of the world or that I'm giving up WDW. Like all other changes, we will adapt to whatever FP+ ends up being and I'm sure we will still manage to have a great vacation. I think our new strategy will probably be to get FP's for the most popular rides in the afternoon and continue to do rope drop to hit the others when they are least crowded.
But there is no doubt that in the current state, the changes are negative for anyone staying offsite and for anyone who liked the old FP system and had a good strategy for using it.

I have no problem whatsoever when someone who is pro FP+ voices their opinion. But I find it annoying when the pro FP+'ers act like anyone who has a negative opinion is either a gloom and doom'er or doesn't have the right to a valid opinion because they haven't used it yet.

:thumbsup2

I tried it, and luckily it was before tiering. There were certain things I liked about FP+, and things that I didn't. I also know beyond any doubt that I am not pleased with 5 of the 6 things you listed (we were on-site) and I didn't have to experience tiering while we were there to know it's not an improvement, it's a restriction.

Hopefully once all of the parks are brought online they will circle back and tweak some of those items so that they are no longer restrictions.
 
We were Disney guinea pigs and loved every squealing moment of it.

Love the bands, loved MDE, loved Fastpass+, loved all of it.

And honestly at this point, anyone that stays home due to not being willing to adjust, well, so be it.

More room for all us......... you know guinea pigs, :thumbsup2

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If I have to take a year off, I'm glad it's this one. Between construction at the Polynesian and the FP+ changes, I am not too upset to skip this year.
 
We were there the second weekend in Dec and didn't have any problems. We're heading back in Feb.
 
I know that some families enjoy waiting in lines and talking to people, but that is NOT something my family enjoys. I mean we DO like talking to people, but not standing in line for 2 hrs. We have always used 6-8 or even more fp's per day, and limiting them to 3/day and only one being an E ticket ride, will seriously put a damper on our park days.

We do like to spend time at whichever resort we are staying at, so that will not be impacted by the new changes, but park days will definitely have to be reworked. We can do maybe one or two ropedrops, but not more than that. We need our sleep....

So, I think when we do Orlando this year, it will just be at Universal. We love love love staying onsite for the unlimited express passes there. No split stay this year for us.

Maybe when peeps on the DIS figure out a way to see and do more with the new system, we will try again. I do love WDW, want to stay at Beach Club and AKL again some day, but not this year I don't think.
 












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