White NAACP Leader Who Passed As Black

[DisneyFan32WI]

I think she has been deceitful.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

BUT SHE ISN'T BLACK!!! Yes, a transgender boy who is now a girl can apply for a scholarship specifically for transgender people. What a girl can't do is SAY they are transgender, tell everyone who will listen that they have had surgery to become a female, receive a scholarship based on these "facts" only to find out it is absolutely not true. It turns out they were born female, have always been female, never had surgery, and aren't even remotely transgender. That is exactly what this woman did.

I sat there and tried to come up with an explanation and this is it!!!!!!!

 

[Dizlvr]

It's not baiting. There are similarities between the two issues. What can you "declare" or "define" about yourself, and what can't you? Everyone on here obviously thinks it's okay to define your gender but not your race, and I can't understand why, to be honest. What's the difference?

I believe that there is a biological reason for transgender people. They feel a real disconnect with their gender.
The reason this woman feels black has nothing to do with biology, she feels black because it fit some agenda for her. She used that to manipulate many people.

 

[Planogirl]

Can you even have surgery to make yourself black? What would you even do?

I agree that she can call herself whatever she wishes. However she did not experience the difficulties that many black people do and sadly she has shunned her parents and lied to many people. It's extra sad because she seems to be doing good work.

 

[bsblady01]

how do you pass for a color you are not. I don't get how she was able to pull this off for so long

 

[hereyago]

She isnt feeling black inside, she is just a sketchy fake opportunist.

 

[Lisaloo]

So what does it mean to feel black? No one is answering that.

In my view, someone who is black isn't different from me except as an individual of course and their look. Is this all about how someone looks? Aren't we supposed to move beyond that?

I also don't think that the Caitlyn transformation is anything like this. You are talking about how someone looks versus how someone feels in their mind. I don't really understand the feels like a woman part either but I can see that it could happen. I don't at all understand the feels like a black individual bit at all. What does that mean?

Off topic a bit, but of course there is a cultural aspect to being black. Just ask my bonus son. He is an African American and our family is not. He is different from me in the way his family mourns a death and the way they worship God and some of his favorites foods and music and art. He is also different from me when it comes to his history. I would never want him to lose that beautiful identity and be the same as me, just as I don't want to lose my cultural identity and be the same as any other group. It isn't racist to be different, it is racist to detest those differences.

 

[Planogirl]

Off topic a bit, but of course there is a cultural aspect to being black. Just ask my bonus son. He is an African American and our family is not. He is different from me in the way his family mourns a death and the way they worship God and some of his favorites foods and music and art. He is also different from me when it comes to his history. I would never want him to lose that beautiful identity and be the same as me, just as I don't want to lose my cultural identity and be the same as any other group. It isn't racist to be different, it is racist to detest those differences.

I don't deny the cultural aspect but someone can't just suddenly absorb that cultural background when they never experienced it. There are many great cultures and I find all of them fascinating.

 

[Mizzoufan]

It will be interesting to see if she stays with her job or step's down. If she continues to live as a black women or goes back to a white women.

 

[Lisaloo]

I don't deny the cultural aspect but someone can't just suddenly absorb that cultural background when they never experienced it. There are many great cultures and I find all of them fascinating.

Your question was "so what does it feel to be black" and "shouldn't we have moved beyond" our differences. I love the differences. This has just been our families experiences. Nothing relating to this NAACP lady. The opposite of racism isn't color-blindness it is simply love.

 

[low-key]

Some of the older Diser will remember the first white person to pull that off (flawlessly) was Gene Wilder in " Silverstreak"

 

[Lisaloo]

I do think the Jenner/NAACP lady comparison is interesting.

 

[disneyjunkie]

how do you pass for a color you are not. I don't get how she was able to pull this off for so long

Black people have been passing for centuries. After the Civil War, many former slaves that were able to pass did just that.

 

[Planogirl]

Your question was "so what does it feel to be black" and "shouldn't we have moved beyond" our differences. I love the differences. This has just been our families experiences. Nothing relating to this NAACP lady. The opposite of racism isn't color-blindness it is simply love.

I hope that everyone keeps and celebrates their culture! I have my own non-American culture that I adore.

When I asked the question it was in relation to this lady. Some people said that Jenner felt like a woman and this lady might feel black and what is the difference? The difference is that I can't relate to a person who wasn't involved in that culture (or so they say) who then suddenly decided to be black. Can she be? Can she relate to any of it?

In that regard, I believe that we are all the same.

 

[Dawnlight]

I'm all for people being who they want to be, but doesn't it do a disservice to black people who actually lived through experiences - good and bad - that make up their culture? Especially when in a position of authority like the NAACP? I'll be interested in hearing how black people actually feel about this. (Somehow I don't think it's going to be just a matter of, "She can be black if she wants to" for most people.)

I'm also very curious how the black community will respond to this.

I'm torn on whether or not it does a disservice to black people. What about people who convert to religions other than what they were born into? Jewish converts identify with that culture, heritage, and history even though they weren't brought up with Judaism and didn't live through the experiences. Same for those who convert to Islam, I would assume. Does that make them fraudulent?

She's a lying liar who lies.

Yes, I agree. I had to laugh at this phrase; it's often used on a blog I read in reference to a certain fraudulent mommy blogger. Very fitting in both cases.

It's not baiting. There are similarities between the two issues. What can you "declare" or "define" about yourself, and what can't you? Everyone on here obviously thinks it's okay to define your gender but not your race, and I can't understand why, to be honest. What's the difference?

As another poster commented, I feel that there is a biological reason for the gender identity issue. Think of the many things can go awry when a baby is forming- heart defects, conjoined twinning, chromosome abnormalities, cleft lip and palate, clubfoot, extra digits, missing digits, third limbs, both sets of sexual organs....it's not a stretch to believe that there is a biological reason for the way transgender people feel. I don't think there is any way a person can feel like they were not born with the correct amount of melanin in their skin. Who knows; maybe science will prove differently.

 

[AnAmericanInDisney]

I believe that there is a biological reason for transgender people. They feel a real disconnect with their gender.
The reason this woman feels black has nothing to do with biology, she feels black because it fit some agenda for her. She used that to manipulate many people.

Why does it matter if it's nature or nurture?

 

[AnAmericanInDisney]

BUT SHE ISN'T BLACK!!! Yes, a transgender boy who is now a girl can apply for a scholarship specifically for transgender people. What a girl can't do is SAY they are transgender, tell everyone who will listen that they have had surgery to become a female, receive a scholarship based on these "facts" only to find out it is absolutely not true. It turns out they were born female, have always been female, never had surgery, and aren't even remotely transgender. That is exactly what this woman did.

But people on here said Caitlyn Jenner is a woman even though she hasn't had surgery. She feels like a woman, so that makes her a woman.

 

[AnAmericanInDisney]

As another poster commented, I feel that there is a biological reason for the gender identity issue. Think of the many things can go awry when a baby is forming- heart defects, conjoined twinning, chromosome abnormalities, cleft lip and palate, clubfoot, extra digits, missing digits, third limbs, both sets of sexual organs....it's not a stretch to believe that there is a biological reason for the way transgender people feel. I don't think there is any way a person can feel like they were not born with the correct amount of melanin in their skin. Who knows; maybe science will prove differently.

I would bet someone who is transgender would not define it as an abnormality or want to be compared to someone with a chromosomal defect.

 

[Dizlvr]

Why does it matter if it's nature or nurture?

It wouldn't matter if she was honest about being white and letting everyone know why she identified herself as a black person. But, she didn't do that, she lied and manipulated people for her own personal gain. That is why it matters in this situation.

 

[Planogirl]

Why does it matter if it's nature or nurture?

Maybe because black people and others have been historically mistreated and seen as lesser simply because of their skin color or their church or their heritage or whatever. These people share a common bond with others like them as they try to deal with the aftermath and what sadly still goes on. How can she truly understand?

If Caitlyn feels like a woman due to biological reasons then that's quite a bit different than simply looks or cultural reasons as a previous poster pointed out.