OH NO Peterd, looks like you're starting to get personal now. I try to stay away from that. However an honest rebuttal is valid in any debate.
<i>Original quote:</i> "So in my opinion, if you are comparing villas to villas, OKW wins hands down. However if you are comparing resort area to resort area, then BWV wins hands down. It's the area around the BWV that drives the bookings, not the villas themselves".
<i>Peterd response:</i> "Like you said in your opinion, NOT fact!
Correct, my opinion. Therefore in that same statement that BWV wins hands down when comparing resort areas is also opinion, and as you would say NOT fact!
But look at what is being discussed here. "What is the BEST resort." By definition, that comprises opinions, NOT FACTS. Whatever factual points can be made, are done so only to support one's OPINIONS!.
We now only stay in the GV at the BW. We won't waste our points on the Okw GV anymore. We would rather stay in a two br at the BW, than the GV at the Okw. To others, they might prefer the Okw, but to make an honest opinion on it, you have to actually stay in both, pay the points, experience it, not just tour it
Agreed, and that's why I said I would not express an opinion on the GV's in my post since I had only stayed at the one at OKW and only toured the other. Since you have stayed at both, then you have every right to offer an opinion.
and don't even mention Swan and Dolphin with the BWV in the same sentence. If you can't distinguish the two, it makes it pretty hard to take your' opinion too seriously. When I would bring up the Okw and the Red Roof Inn, at least it was only in jest.
I think you missed the point. I was talking about the RESORT AREA itself, not resorts. FACT: Swan/Dolphin ARE part of the Epcot RESORT AREA. Are they not? And as a resort guest of that area, they would have basically the same access to the amenities on the boardwalk, just as YC/BC guests would. But you do help make my point. There IS a tremendous difference in any given resort itself, but NOT in the COMMON areas they may share with other resorts.
My point was that a big draw of BWVs is the area itself, and not the rooms. Absolutely they are the best rooms in that area. I myself would abhor having to stay at Swan/Dolphin, but once everyone gets out onto the boardwalk itself, all else is equal.
I do agree on the Wine/Beer analogy. To us the fine wine is obviously the BWV, to you Okw, I'm afraid your wine may be Giacobacci though.
In the analogy, by volume, beer is more popular. The prior argument I was rebutting was that BWV is more popular. Therefore beer = BWV, popularity wise. But does that make beer a better product? (Quality wise?). The point is popularity does not necessarily reflect 'better'. On a personal note, I prefer mostly German wines, especially white one. My favorites are probably of a Spatlesse....good wine at a medium price.
Desperado said:
"A night at the opera vs. all star wrestling"
This fallacy of reasoning is called the fallacy of analogies as evidence and aurgument by analogy. In order for this aurgument to be strong, we must compare relevant similarities and look relevant diferences. However, when applying questioning approaches for critical thinking, the identification of a lack of relevancy substantially weakens the aurgument. (A guide to Critical Thinking, S. Keeley)
Thank you, you just proved my point.!!!
I deliberately started with the absurd analogy, to lead to the more relevant analogies. You don't mention the 'strong relevant similarities' between the books or movies analogies! Do you disagree with those also as irrelevant? As you must know, 'relevant' analogies ARE legitimate examples when using deductive reasoning to ascertain a conclusion or opinion.
Finally, RM, yes, I agree the FACT is that 7-month window is tough for BWV's. My argument is that that FACT represents popularity, and I argue (another way of saying my opinion) is that the popularity is driven by the general Resort AREA itself, and not by the room accommodations of the villas located. In my original post I didn't make it clear I was only comparing 1-B/R units.
Here's a supposition for everyone: If a building of BWV type villas was built at the OKW location, and they maintained the same points structure as currently they have at the BW, would these units be the first or the last units to be reserved at OKW?
Likewise, if a single OKW building was built next to BWV's with a boardwalk view off the balcony (let's assume for argument there was room somewhere to do this), and they maintained their current OKW point structure, would these units located at the BW location be in the highest demand, or the lowest demand?
Again, the point is, location, location, location. Would you prefer a BWV 1-B/R with boardwalk view, or an OKW 1-B/R with boardwalk view?
