In 2031, the NFL will NO LONGER be in Missouri.

[EACarlson]

Why would anyone drive to the games? If you drink you shouldn't be driving. They could run Metra express trains directly to the games if they upgrade the track infrastructure and connect it into other lines.

Not sure why that author was whining about the walk from the Roosevelt Road station. We always take the red line when going to the Shedd or Field Museum.

You do realize that not everyone drinks at the game? Not everyone that drinks, drinks to excess at the game? And very few people that are actually at the game live somewhere that makes the train a viable option?

My cousin lives in Portage and has season tickets. No way for him to get to the game without driving. Sunday morning, it's about a 45 minute drive. He could conceivably drive to a Metra park and ride, but that's probably 30 minutes to drive to the park and ride, then a 40 minute train ride, then a 20 minute walk and have to reverse it all after the game.

If Crook county isn't willing to upgrade the infrastructure in Arlington Heights for a multi billion dollar investment, why would CTA spend billions to upgrade the Metra lines for a dozen events a year?

 

[NotUrsula]

Nah, I agree with the poster. If a sports team leaves your town, bitter fans. I'm sure they'll keep 98% of their fan base but they'll lose some just b/c they moved.

But in this case it's really just like building a new stadium in the same city, from a fan's POV.

Honestly, when I managed a local gov't facility in KCKS, we got new residents all the time who had no clue where the line was, and were not sure which side of it they lived on at first.

Most outsiders who are completely unfamiliar with the metro area will always assume that Kansas City naturally must be in Kansas, but the state line is actually more or less in the middle of the metro, and people are quite often fuzzy about which side a certain location might be on.

The only thing that's really a big deal for the state is loss of revenue from merch and food sales in the stadium complex area. It happened when the Rams left St. Louis, too. MO is notorious for letting big revenue-generating businesses go elsewhere because they don't want to give them tax breaks, but it's short-sighted to get hung up on the property and income tax losses if you still need the sales tax revenue generated by affiliated businesses -- if they walk you lose all three.

 

[bcla]

But in this case it's really just like building a new stadium in the same city, from a fan's POV.

Honestly, when I managed a local gov't facility in KCKS, we got new residents all the time who had no clue where the line was, and were not sure which side of it they lived on at first.

Most outsiders who are completely unfamiliar with the metro area will always assume that Kansas City naturally must be in Kansas, but the state line is actually more or less in the middle of the metro, and people are quite often fuzzy about which side a certain location might be on.

The only thing that's really a big deal for the state is loss of revenue from merch and food sales in the stadium complex area. It happened when the Rams left St. Louis, too. MO is notorious for letting big revenue-generating businesses go elsewhere because they don't want to give them tax breaks, but it's short-sighted to get hung up on the property and income tax losses if you still need the sales tax revenue generated by affiliated businesses -- if they walk you lose all three.

I dunno. I was surprised the first time I heard there was another Kansas City in Kansas. I knew Kansas City, MO was on the border with Kansas, but that was always the place with the big sports teams like the Chiefs, Royals, and Kings.

 

[hardcorestitch]

I dunno. I was surprised the first time I heard there was another Kansas City in Kansas. I knew Kansas City, MO was on the border with Kansas, but that was always the place with the big sports teams like the Chiefs, Royals, and Kings.

Sporting KC is already there. I think it’s enough for the Kansas side.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

This movie just might be the nudge that Chicago ownership needs to go ahead and move to Northwest Indiana.

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!! Northwestern Indiana is a dump. Nobody in his right mind would locate there. On a side note, they could name them the Gary Apocalypse. It would be a fitting name for sure. Oh I know. The Griffith Clodhoppers. And the mascot could be a guy with a yo yo stuck in his mouth to quote a line from A Christmas Story.

Consider that, the founding NFL franchise leaving Illinois just because the Governor wants to look tough and presidential.

The governor is a politician and out here on the CB, politics is not allowed. So I won't answer. By the way the Founding Franchise in Chicago that is still active isn't the Bears. It's the Cardinals who are now in Arizona. The Bears weren't even the Bears. They were the Decatur Staleys at founding.

Illinois's loss will be Indiana's gain.

Flip that. Indiana's loss would be Illinois's gain if they moved to Northern Indiana. The Bears drawing off the tax base of an already blighted area that is northern Indiana is not a recipe for the success of either the Bears or the area.

The location being considered is approx 20 min drive to downtown Chicago--just to give some an idea of location to the city.

I'm sure it will be a lovely time when the breeze blows gently in off the lake on a foggy evening and carries the oil refinery stink right into the stadium.. Good times. Good times.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I dunno. I was surprised the first time I heard there was another Kansas City in Kansas. I knew Kansas City, MO was on the border with Kansas, but that was always the place with the big sports teams like the Chiefs, Royals, and Kings.

Most people I know automatically assume Missouri if I say Kansas City but hardly anyone realizes there is a Kansas City, MO as well as a Kansas City, Kansas as well as the entire Kansas City Metro. It's more surprising if people ask me "Kansas or Missouri side" and I usually clarify that I live in the Kansas City Metro on the Kansas side because I neither live in Kansas City, Kansas nor Kansas City, MO. For some reason it gets around that there's this idea that the city of Kansas City is just split between the two states, that is wholly incorrect. It is not one city split between two states but two different cities with two different sets of history in their formations. And the demographics differ as well.

Up at the Legends (where the new Chiefs stadium is rumored to likely be located at) has 3 teams there. The metro is nicknamed the "soccer capital of the U.S.". Sporting KC is in Kansas City, Kansas. They used to be called the KC Wizards (also started by the Hunt family) which has played on the Kansas side for 15 years now since they moved from the Missouri side of the metro. NASCAR is also up there right next to Sporting KC. And right next to that is the Kansas City Monarchs (formerly T-Bones) professional baseball (independent league) team that has been in Kansas City, Kansas for a long time.

NO ONE talks about the Kings anymore that is sooooo long ago and no one cares about NBA here. It's only entered the conversation at the moment just to reference that Missouri used to have an NBA team which left many decades ago. On the Missouri side in the metro (not located in Kansas City, MO but another city within the metro) is the Mavericks which is a ECHL hockey team.

So while Kansas City, MO has had the Chiefs and the Royals as well as hockey the Kansas side has had soccer, baseball and NASCAR for a while. But not for nothing the Big 12 Championship held at the T-Mobile arena wouldn't really be a thing for Kansas City, MO if it weren't for KU Basketball which is on the Kansas side though not technically in the KC metro (depending on the definition is is sometimes lumped into it but is not traditionally considered part of it).

Frankly a lot of people could use some lessons on the history here. Bleeding Kansas time period is a good one to get an idea about how the two areas are right here in the KC Metro most especially. The very long-lived (as in before the Civil War during, before and after the Bleeding Kansas time period) angst between the two states also helps to understand in part the feelings some Missourians have towards the idea of the team moving to Kansas. We are one metro and one big large community here but you'd be hard pressed to find many that don't know there's that undercurrent of KS/MO angst. It also helps to learn about the formations of the two cities as well as the metro as a whole.

 

[Mizzoufan]

It's very sad. There a lot of history in that stadium. I honestly wish it.stay where it.is

 

[bcla]

Most people I know automatically assume Missouri if I say Kansas City but hardly anyone realizes there is a Kansas City, MO as well as a Kansas City, Kansas as well as the entire Kansas City Metro. It's more surprising if people ask me "Kansas or Missouri side" and I usually clarify that I live in the Kansas City Metro on the Kansas side because I neither live in Kansas City, Kansas nor Kansas City, MO. For some reason it gets around that there's this idea that the city of Kansas City is just split between the two states, that is wholly incorrect. It is not one city split between two states but two different cities with two different sets of history in their formations. And the demographics differ as well.

Up at the Legends (where the new Chiefs stadium is rumored to likely be located at) has 3 teams there. The metro is nicknamed the "soccer capital of the U.S.". Sporting KC is in Kansas City, Kansas. They used to be called the KC Wizards (also started by the Hunt family) which has played on the Kansas side for 15 years now since they moved from the Missouri side of the metro. NASCAR is also up there right next to Sporting KC. And right next to that is the Kansas City Monarchs (formerly T-Bones) professional baseball (independent league) team that has been in Kansas City, Kansas for a long time.

NO ONE talks about the Kings anymore that is sooooo long ago and no one cares about NBA here. It's only entered the conversation at the moment just to reference that Missouri used to have an NBA team which left many decades ago. On the Missouri side in the metro (not located in Kansas City, MO but another city within the metro) is the Mavericks which is a ECHL hockey team.

So while Kansas City, MO has had the Chiefs and the Royals as well as hockey the Kansas side has had soccer, baseball and NASCAR for a while. But not for nothing the Big 12 Championship held at the T-Mobile arena wouldn't really be a thing for Kansas City, MO if it weren't for KU Basketball which is on the Kansas side though not technically in the KC metro (depending on the definition is is sometimes lumped into it but is not traditionally considered part of it).

Frankly a lot of people could use some lessons on the history here. Bleeding Kansas time period is a good one to get an idea about how the two areas are right here in the KC Metro most especially. The very long-lived (as in before the Civil War during, before and after the Bleeding Kansas time period) angst between the two states also helps to understand in part the feelings some Missourians have towards the idea of the team moving to Kansas. We are one metro and one big large community here but you'd be hard pressed to find many that don't know there's that undercurrent of KS/MO angst. It also helps to learn about the formations of the two cities as well as the metro as a whole.

My knowledge of there only being a Missouri Kansas City was maybe the 80s. But eventually I got interested in geography and maps, where I noticed the two cities with the same name. I'd also worked a summer/part time job during my college years where one of our local offices was referred to as "Kansas City" but was located in Lenexa. And later on I remember talking to an athlete who was from the KC area but was from the Kansas side. His team was going to some event in KC (MO) but since he was from the area, he was expected to help with the arrangements, especially where to get catering for barbecue.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

"Kansas City" but was located in Lenexa.

Yeah that would be the KC metro designation coming into play, likely still being referenced as Kansas City (one of the cities) to those outside of this area but truly being actually just a city in the suburbs of the KC metro.

While this is from wiki it does give people a good idea why just talking about KCK or KCMO misses a lot of the area



The green/teal-ish area towards the middle is the city of Kansas City, MO. The darker red is the whole Kansas City Metro (14 counties). The other colors are the counties outside of the metro but close enough in proximity (especially if talking about weather alerts). And it's also why the whole talk about fandom misses that many from Kansas are people who go to the Chiefs, Royals, etc games. It's not uncommon for people to know someone who lives on the other side of the state line or to frequently go between the two states. I used to get gas in Missouri as a teen as the gas tax for many years was cheaper than Kansas, it was less than 7 miles from my mom's house straight shot on the same road to the gas station on the other side of State Line Road.

especially where to get catering for barbecue.

With so many to choose from and with everyone having their own favorite I bet he had a big task on his hand for that.

 

[BayTower2010]

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!! Northwestern Indiana is a dump. Nobody in his right mind would locate there. On a side note, they could name them the Gary Apocalypse. It would be a fitting name for sure. Oh I know. The Griffith Clodhoppers. And the mascot could be a guy with a yo yo stuck in his mouth to quote a line from A Christmas Story.

The governor is a politician and out here on the CB, politics is not allowed. So I won't answer. By the way the Founding Franchise in Chicago that is still active isn't the Bears. It's the Cardinals who are now in Arizona. The Bears weren't even the Bears. They were the Decatur Staleys at founding.

Flip that. Indiana's loss would be Illinois's gain if they moved to Northern Indiana. The Bears drawing off the tax base of an already blighted area that is northern Indiana is not a recipe for the success of either the Bears or the area.

I'm sure it will be a lovely time when the breeze blows gently in off the lake on a foggy evening and carries the oil refinery stink right into the stadium.. Good times. Good times.

I have been thinking about this post for several days and yes each to their own opinion. One thing kept coming to me, an old expression. One man's trash is another man's treasure. So we will see how this all plays out to see who has the last laugh, as the winner or loser will not be fully decided for many years down the road.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I have been thinking about this post for several days and yes each to their own opinion. One thing kept coming to me, an old expression. One man's trash is another man's treasure. So we will see how this all plays out to see who has the last laugh, as the winner or loser will not be fully decided for many years down the road.

Translated. You can't refute a single point I made. Oh and anyone that thinks the smell of oil refinery stank is a treasure needs his or her head examined or owns a stake in the refinery but doesn't have to be near it.
Gary Population 1960 178,320 2020 69, 093.
Hammond 1960 111, 698 2020 77,879
East Chicago 1960 57,669 2020 26,370
Whiting 1960 8167 2020 4559





Oh and if the Bears end up moving there I will have a laugh....... At the Bears and at Northern Indiana. But it won't be my last.

 

[AussieFan8]

I love Arrowhead. I was at this year's Chiefs game against the Lions, and there were Lions fans sitting in front of us filming the stadium during the game. They turned around and told us it was the best stadium experience they had ever had. I don't see any way for them to replicate the current stadium experience at the new one. It will be different for a variety of reasons which is sad.

In my opinion, this is different than St. Louis losing their football teams. I am originally from St. Louis, and I don't think there were near the diehard football fans in St. Louis that there are in KC. I worry that some of those fans who have had season tickets for years will be priced out in the new stadium.

However, Missouri had a chance to keep the team and it seems could have tried harder to do so.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I love Arrowhead. I was at this year's Chiefs game against the Lions, and there were Lions fans sitting in front of us filming the stadium during the game. They turned around and told us it was the best stadium experience they had ever had. I don't see any way for them to replicate the current stadium experience at the new one. It will be different for a variety of reasons which is sad.

In my opinion, this is different than St. Louis losing their football teams. I am originally from St. Louis, and I don't think there were near the diehard football fans in St. Louis that there are in KC. I worry that some of those fans who have had season tickets for years will be priced out in the new stadium.

However, Missouri had a chance to keep the team and it seems could have tried harder to do so.

I've been to Arrowhead and loved it despite cold weather. I guess they want a new fangled domed stadium. And in 20 years when something else becomes the in thing in stadiums they'll want another. I think that combining the Royals and the chiefs stadium plans in one vote was just too big of a price tag for the citizens of Jackson County to want to green light. The chiefs was just 800m out of the nearly 3 billion proposal. I think it might have passed separate.

 

[AussieFan8]

The chiefs was just 800m out of the nearly 3 billion proposal. I think it might have passed separate.

I think you're right.

I think the Hunts want to host a Super Bowl and will be very happy with a bunch of high-priced corporate boxes at the new stadium. I doubt they are sweating this at all.

 

[MillauFr]

I think you're right.

I think the Hunts want to host a Super Bowl and will be very happy with a bunch of high-priced corporate boxes at the new stadium. I doubt they are sweating this at all.

The Hunt family is busy cornering the Silver Market.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I've been to Arrowhead and loved it despite cold weather. I guess they want a new fangled domed stadium. And in 20 years when something else becomes the in thing in stadiums they'll want another. I think that combining the Royals and the chiefs stadium plans in one vote was just too big of a price tag for the citizens of Jackson County to want to green light. The chiefs was just 800m out of the nearly 3 billion proposal. I think it might have passed separate.

Arrowhead declined a rolling roof installation on multiple opportunities over the decades. These were part of scrapped renovation designs but it's not about just now having a domed stadium, those were talked about multiple times over the years and sited as a reason the super bowl wouldn't be played in KC despite the love Arrowhead has. 20 yrs ago in 2005 the local business news outlet spoke about how NFL said a roof would bring the super bowl. In 2010, the last major renovations, they opted to not do a rolling roof then when it was a separate measure because it didn't pass on the ballot by the voters. I myself am not too keen on a dome preferring a retractable roof so it can be open for most games, the cold is usually favorable conditions for the Chiefs although I can't say I particularly enjoy standing on cardboard and still freezing.

It wasn't about the money on the failed ballot in 2024. The voters were and still are already paying a 3/8th cent sales tax for the Truman Sports Complex, the ballot measure was simply about a renewal of an existing tax from 2031 on. The reason it failed is because the Royals were hellbent on a Downtown stadium which would also remove multiple businesses in order to put it in there add to the congestion, remove any tailgating opportunities (which fair is bigger for football but is still done for the Royals), amongst other things. And the only public transit they've got down there is the Streetcar. Parking is already annoying enough when events happen and safety is also a concern although the Downtown is much better than it was since they've actively tried to make it marginally better.

A Downtown stadium (specifically The Crossroads) was largely considered an awful plan by citizens with KC Tenants was instrumental in this pushback. Right now you'll see some crafty dealings of Union Station and multiple businesses Downtown coming together to light up blue in support of the Royals moving there instead of moving to Overland Park, KS. That is a newer development started by Union Station earlier this week. But this all dates back to 2022 when the Royals first said they were shopping for a new location and spoke almost exclusively about a Downtown stadium which was a very unpopular option.

This is also to understand there are a lot of politics at play on the Missouri side, the county executive (who was recalled due to high corruption on property tax) was always outspoken on not liking renovations and investment in the Truman Sports Complex (despite being a former Royals player), the current mayor of the city and the past and to an extent current governor, then add in the voters.

Most agree if the Chiefs had made themselves separate on the ballot it would have had a higher chance of passing but the voters didn't say no because the price tag, they said no because they didn't want the Royals downtown and there was a clear lack of information about that as well as just what the Chiefs wanted to do with their portion of the money.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

However, Missouri had a chance to keep the team and it seems could have tried harder to do so.

That part is true. It was announced that Olathe city council, Olathe School District and Olathe Chamber of Commerce were under an NDA for 2 years on working with agreements on this. That is why when the press conference happened Olathe's name was out of left field. Everyone knew about this deal for the Kansas side and likely location of the Legends. I only heard a rumbling of one post on Facebook about someone walking a trail a few days before the official announcement talking about how the scenery could soon change if the Chiefs had something there. Other than that there was zero indication that Olathe was even in the picture.

Now the tricky part is Olathe School District, while they get the ability to use the practice field, is about to ask for another Bond (last bond was passed in 2016 for $298 million) come March for $389 million. Whether voters (who always pass the bond measures) will see this NDA and conditions of the STAR Bond as reason to vote that new bond down is anyone's guess.

So you're right Missouri could have been doing a lot more here, the saying Kansas was playing chess while Missouri was playing checkers is common at the moment. The general idea that Kansas was proactive while Missouri has been for years reactive.

 

[mom2rtk]

However, Missouri had a chance to keep the team and it seems could have tried harder to do so.

It's really not that simple. The ballot issue took place in the midst of a near war between Jackson County residents and the County Executive over a property tax debacle. It was so bad that since the stadium vote, the County Executive (ex Golden Glove winning KC Royal Frank White) was recalled by a 70 point margin (unheard of in this Democrat stronghold). He has since been removed from office, along with his crooked County Assessor, but the damage was done. Residents weren't trusting the County with another single dollar.

Additionally, the future of Arrowhead was sort of piggybacked onto the ballot that was initially set up about moving Royals Stadium downtown, in a city with no mass transit, and no additional parking.

Regardless, it now appears this deal has been in the works for a couple years and the Chiefs had no intention of seriously considering staying put. The deal Kansas gave them looks pretty crazy, and is not something I personally would have been able to support if the same was proposed for here. Good luck to the people of Kansas picking up the tab on this.

 

[AussieFan8]

It's really not that simple.

I was referring to the state, not the Jackson county voters.

 

[mom2rtk]

I was referring to the state, not the Jackson county voters.

Jackson County is the location that voted on the sales tax extension.