Where CAN You Wear A Hat?

[kdsjjb]

Alright, already! Hat, schmat.

When are we going to get to the REAL problem issue? The outlawing of ANY shoe that shows a man's toes. Flip flops, sandles - BURN THEM ALL!!! There shall be closed toes for all men!!!

 

[Disney Von Drake]

I was going to post the same question, I don't get it either.

This all just seems like silly, out dated, upper class, mumbo jumbo. Sorry if anyone feels my opinion to be inappropriate, I just don't see why it's a big deal.


What's the big deal?

Wearing a hat while in a courtroom will cause the judge and/or the bailifs to hold you in contempt. It is a sign of disrespect.

 

[rwrocksme]

You can (and probably should) wear your hat pretty much anywhere. I don't think you should wear hats during dinner, but that's just the way I was raised. Disney-wise, though, I would not wear a hat:

1) On Soarin'. This is against the rules. It says so in the pre-show.
2) On any roller-coater.
3) On Spaceship Earth. This ride tilts backwards very far, and your hat might fall off.

And also, if you are wearing a tall hat, such as mouse ears, a Goofy hat, etc., take it off during shows.

 

[SuperSteelerFan]

Gee, you gotta love a thread where we debate where you can wear a hat! I wear mine nearly everywhere at WDW. Outdoors, it's necessary to keep the top of my head from burning - I'm a woman but have thin, fine hair and my part between my bangs and the rest of my hair burns within 20 min in the sun. Indoors, I sometimes leave it on because it's either too much of a bother to take it off and then put it back on when I exit (hey, what can I say, I'm lazy), it's going to be a short stay indoors (such as poking in a gift shop for a few minutes) and not worth the effort (again, lazy), or my hair is a mess after wearing it all day. I do remove it at both counter-service and table-service restaurants. DH doesn't usually wear a hat but when he does, he practices the same as I do. We also ALWAYS remove our hats for the Flag Retreat, in the Hall of Presidents (I know they're animatronic but still...) and the American Adventure, and during the performance of the Fife and Drum Corps.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Wearing a hat while in a courtroom will cause the judge and/or the bailifs to hold you in contempt. It is a sign of disrespect.

Ok fine, in a court of law, but come on, Disney? This whole showing a sign of respect, to who (or is it whom?) exactly? Walt? The waitresses? If I have to look at someone's fat butt sticking out of their shorts, or someone else's hairy arm pits, or nasty piercings or tatoos, or huge breasts (yes, all my opinion) and that doesn't offend the etiquette gods, then you're just going to have to look at my hat! I think there are a lot worse offenses every day in Disney than a hat.

 

[puddleduck]

Wearing a hat while in a courtroom will cause the judge and/or the bailifs to hold you in contempt. It is a sign of disrespect.

But why is it a sign of disrespect? I really am curious about why it is a sign of disrespect. What exactly is it about wearing a hat on your head indoors that is disrespectful? I don't wear a hat, but really am curious as to the why.

 

[disneydreamin247]

bump

Why bump this thread and start the debate all over again?

 

[Disney Von Drake]

But why is it a sign of disrespect? I really am curious about why it is a sign of disrespect. What exactly is it about wearing a hat on your head indoors that is disrespectful? I don't wear a hat, but really am curious as to the why.

It is a matter of customary tradition for societal manners and etiquette in a civilized culture. Observing the common rules of etiquette demonstrates one aspect of social grace and higher education.

The history traces back prior to the Dark Ages. It was a sign of respect to remove headgear indoors and a sign of disrespect not to remove headgear while indoors.

 

[amyhughes]

But why is it a sign of disrespect? I really am curious about why it is a sign of disrespect. What exactly is it about wearing a hat on your head indoors that is disrespectful? I don't wear a hat, but really am curious as to the why.

What's interesting to me in this debate is the fact that no other religions or cultures are being taken into account with the "Hats Shall Not Be Worn Inside" mumbo jumbo. What about those of the Jewish faith who see the COVERING OF THE HEAD TO BE A SIGN OF UTMOST RESPECT? or even Muslim Faiths? International guests also frequent WDW on a regular basis, and as is in their customs they will cover their heads INSIDE to correlate with their beliefs. I know "When in Rome" but seriously?

Honestly, I am not offended, nor do I think most people would be. If I were at a restaurant that I was paying $200 for in my hometown, maybe if I was in a bad mood. But, at Disney, let em wear their hats. If I see a Baseball cap at Victoria and Albert's I really won't mind. More than likely it will be my DHs since he won't go anywhere, save work, without his ballcap. And really, we're on vacation. The last thing I am really worried about is severe etiquette rules. I will (and so will he) remove my hat during the National Anthem, and in our house of Worship. But, Disney I am going there to not worry.

 

[fan1080]

It is a matter of customary tradition for societal manners and etiquette in a civilized culture. Observing the common rules of etiquette demonstrates one aspect of social grace and higher education.

The history traces back prior to the Dark Ages. It was a sign of respect to remove headgear indoors and a sign of disrespect not to remove headgear while indoors.

Ah, there it is, the "I'm better than you" card.

I'm not picking on you specificly, DVD, just pointing it out. That makes it seem like a "high society" thing. You know the ones, where everyone spends all their riches to please their high society friends. Have to have the expensive cars, expensive homes, butlers, and as is in this case, act like we are better than everyone else by taking our hats off when we go inside because someone said it was respectful to do so. We are uppper class, we need to separate ourselves from the rest of society.

But, I'm hoping that it is more of a "social grace thing", than a "higher education thing". The only reason I can think that it would be respectful, is because it opens up the presentation of ourselves to others, rather than giving someone something to hind behind. Just a thought, but still not one that warrants it to me.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

What's interesting to me in this debate is the fact that no other religions or cultures are being taken into account with the "Hats Shall Not Be Worn Inside" mumbo jumbo. What about those of the Jewish faith who see the COVERING OF THE HEAD TO BE A SIGN OF UTMOST RESPECT? or even Muslim Faiths? International guests also frequent WDW on a regular basis, and as is in their customs they will cover their heads INSIDE to correlate with their beliefs. I know "When in Rome" but seriously?

You have made an excellent point. There are many exceptions to the “Hats Shall Not Be Worn Inside” rules and you have made mention of two. Religious exceptions to the general rules are expected.

In addition, males may wear hats indoors in places that are considered to be similar to a public street area such as a lobby, a post office, an airport terminal or a railroad station. A man may also wear a hat in elevators located in public buildings (unless a woman is also in the elevator).

If a man is carrying packages (or his hands are otherwise occupied) he is not expected to remove his hat indoors until such time as his hands are free to safely remove his hat.

There are other exceptions but read on and I’ll explain why these rules are not “mumbo jumbo”.

Honestly, I am not offended, nor do I think most people would be. If I were at a restaurant that I was paying $200 for in my hometown, maybe if I was in a bad mood. But, at Disney, let em wear their hats. If I see a Baseball cap at Victoria and Albert's I really won't mind. More than likely it will be my DHs since he won't go anywhere, save work, without his ballcap. And really, we're on vacation. The last thing I am really worried about is severe etiquette rules. I will (and so will he) remove my hat during the National Anthem, and in our house of Worship. But, Disney I am going there to not worry.

It’s really not a matter of what you like or dislike. It’s a matter of common custom and grace. I could say that I’m not offended by naked people. Let all the people at WDW run around naked. At Disney, I’m not going to worry if people run around naked.

I don’t care if people swear in public at Disney. Cuss like a sailor. Who cares? After all we’re on vacation so let people cuss up a storm if they so desire.

Ah, there it is, the "I'm better than you" card.

I'm not picking on you specificly, DVD, just pointing it out. That makes it seem like a "high society" thing. You know the ones, where everyone spends all their riches to please their high society friends. Have to have the expensive cars, expensive homes, butlers, and as is in this case, act like we are better than everyone else by taking our hats off when we go inside because someone said it was respectful to do so. We are uppper class, we need to separate ourselves from the rest of society.

What is wrong with being better than someone else? Are you endorsing mediocrity for common courtesy?

If you desire to live outside the bounds of conventional etiquette, that’s fine. However, you will be offending some people by showing them disrespect and an obvious lack of self respect in the process.

It’s one thing to show your contempt for common manners but it’s quite another situation to show your ignorance of common manners. Let me give you a specific example using the “Hats Shall Not Be Worn” mumbo jumbo.

Most men know to remove their hats when the National Anthem is played. Yet some men don’t seem to know that their hats should be removed with their right hand and that the hat should be placed at the left shoulder with the hand being over the heart.

If someone refuses to take off their hat when the National Anthem is played, that is their right. I support their right to protest and show their contempt for the USA.

On the other hand, when I see someone who removes and then fumbles around with their hat because they are unsure of proper etiquette, it simply reveals their poor upbringing and it makes them look foolish and uneducated in common custom.

But, I'm hoping that it is more of a "social grace thing", than a "higher education thing". The only reason I can think that it would be respectful, is because it opens up the presentation of ourselves to others, rather than giving someone something to hind behind. Just a thought, but still not one that warrants it to me.

Social graces and higher education often go hand in hand. I purposely avoid people with bad manners. I avoid uneducated and under educated people. I avoid people with tattoos and body piercings.

Appearance and perception play key roles in social interaction. I don’t want to deal with people that display their ignorance for all to see. Let their friends, family, social workers and therapists deal with their problems.

 

[Sleeping Becca]

Are you endorsing mediocrity for common courtesy?

Social graces and higher education often go hand in hand. I purposely avoid people with bad manners. I avoid uneducated and under educated people. I avoid people with tattoos and body piercings.

Appearance and perception play key roles in social interaction. I don’t want to deal with people that display their ignorance for all to see. Let their friends, family, social workers and therapists deal with their problems.

Common courtesy should be extended to all, hence the common part.

 

[amyhughes]

It’s really not a matter of what you like or dislike. It’s a matter of common custom and grace. I could say that I’m not offended by naked people. Let all the people at WDW run around naked. At Disney, I’m not going to worry if people run around naked.

I don’t care if people swear in public at Disney. Cuss like a sailor. Who cares? After all we’re on vacation so let people cuss up a storm if they so desire.
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On the other hand, when I see someone who removes and then fumbles around with their hat because they are unsure of proper etiquette, it simply reveals their poor upbringing and it makes them look foolish and uneducated in common custom.

Social graces and higher education often go hand in hand. I purposely avoid people with bad manners. I avoid uneducated and under educated people. I avoid people with tattoos and body piercings.

Appearance and perception play key roles in social interaction. I don’t want to deal with people that display their ignorance for all to see. Let their friends, family, social workers and therapists deal with their problems.

I understand the point you are trying to make. However, in your speech you detail how only those with common social graces, who do not offend others with tattoos and body piercings, and who understand the intricacies of hat placement can be thought of in a serious manner by you. Do you not think it the bane of the intelligent man to look for wisdom in unconventional places?

From personal experience, those who are sometimes outside of the "social norms" have a greater perspective on what is truly important in this World. I was on an Appalachian exchange in college where I worked side by side with people who had few social graces to speak of, but were truly people I learned much from. They taught me grace, humility, survival, and compassion. I doubt highly they would be taken aback by "metal warts" and tattoos and would accept people as they are.

It seems you have a fine mind to judge people, but not one to get to know them. A great many who "cuss like sailors" or tattoo their bodies with the Poet Kahlil Gibrain have a thing or two to say about the World in which we live. I myself have not had a tattoo, but far be it for me to equate your above comments with outright stupidity and lack of common decency.

The repetition of customs that are as outdated as the Victorian manors in which they were conceived should not prey upon the minds of hapless vacationers. Nor, should we judge our fellow man by how quickly he snatches the hat off his head. There is more to a human being than their "common graces".

 

[disneydreamin247]

I understand the point you are trying to make. However, in your speech you detail how only those with common social graces, who do not offend others with tattoos and body piercings, and who understand the intricacies of hat placement can be thought of in a serious manner by you. Do you not think it the bane of the intelligent man to look for wisdom in unconventional places?

From personal experience, those who are sometimes outside of the "social norms" have a greater perspective on what is truly important in this World. I was on an Appalachian exchange in college where I worked side by side with people who had few social graces to speak of, but were truly people I learned much from. They taught me grace, humility, survival, and compassion. I doubt highly they would be taken aback by "metal warts" and tattoos and would accept people as they are.

It seems you have a fine mind to judge people, but not one to get to know them. A great many who "cuss like sailors" or tattoo their bodies with the Poet Kahlil Gibrain have a thing or two to say about the World in which we live. I myself have not had a tattoo, but far be it for me to equate your above comments with outright stupidity and lack of common decency.

The repetition of customs that are as outdated as the Victorian manors in which they were conceived should not prey upon the minds of hapless vacationers. Nor, should we judge our fellow man by how quickly he snatches the hat off his head. There is more to a human being than their "common graces".

Very well said. I couldn't agree more.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

I purposely avoid people with bad manners. I avoid uneducated and under educated people. I avoid people with tattoos and body piercings.

Appearance and perception play key roles in social interaction. I don’t want to deal with people that display their ignorance for all to see. Let their friends, family, social workers and therapists deal with their problems.

This is just about the most socially ignorant thing I've ever heard! I'm sorry if I'm perceived as being rude, but I don't think I'm any more rude than this post. Forgive us all for having the audacity to live in your world. I'm sure your property values would drop significantly if, heaven forbid, we were to move into your neighborhood. And on behalf of those of us who you deem unworthy, thank you for not socializing with us.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

Common courtesy should be extended to all, hence the common part.

I disagree. Each case is a judgment call. Some people deserve no courtesy, consideration or recognition. It’s best to ignore some people.

I understand the point you are trying to make. However, in your speech you detail how only those with common social graces, who do not offend others with tattoos and body piercings, and who understand the intricacies of hat placement can be thought of in a serious manner by you. Do you not think it the bane of the intelligent man to look for wisdom in unconventional places?

It’s a definite possibility but I wouldn’t start my search in that part of the citizenry. Logic would dictate to start a search for wisdom among well known repositories for intelligent thinking. Tattoo parlors and their customers would not be high on my list.

From personal experience, those who are sometimes outside of the "social norms" have a greater perspective on what is truly important in this World. I was on an Appalachian exchange in college where I worked side by side with people who had few social graces to speak of, but were truly people I learned much from. They taught me grace, humility, survival, and compassion. I doubt highly they would be taken aback by "metal warts" and tattoos and would accept people as they are.

Having grown up in the heart of Appalachia, I can see that you have fallen victim to the urban legend that people from that region are all impoverished ignoramuses’. Let me assure you that ignorance has no geographic, political or economic boundaries. Perhaps you’ve seen the movie “Deliverance” once too often?

Most people I have known from my childhood would be very taken aback by facial piercings and tattoos. They would ask, “Do you work in a freak show at the carnival or do you just want to stay on welfare for the rest of your life?” They would wisely conclude that facial piercings and tattoos tend to make people very unemployable.

It seems you have a fine mind to judge people, but not one to get to know them. A great many who "cuss like sailors" or tattoo their bodies with the Poet Kahlil Gibrain have a thing or two to say about the World in which we live. I myself have not had a tattoo, but far be it for me to equate your above comments with outright stupidity and lack of common decency.

Of course I judge people and so do you. Do you extend common courtesy to all common strangers? I hope you temper your common courtesy with common sense as well.

I also do my best to avoid passive and boring people. I try to avoid evil people as well. Yes, I am judgmental and it has served me well.

The repetition of customs that are as outdated as the Victorian manors in which they were conceived should not prey upon the minds of hapless vacationers. Nor, should we judge our fellow man by how quickly he snatches the hat off his head. There is more to a human being than their "common graces".

You have every right to disregard the feelings and customs of other people. What you’re saying here is that common courtesy is outdated. Victorian times were so quaint and old fashioned. You should just forget all about those old traditions and conventions. Be my guest, but I’ll continue to exercise good manners combined with appropriate judgment in my everyday life and even at WDW!

 

[amyhughes]

Having grown up in the heart of Appalachia, I can see that you have fallen victim to the urban legend that people from that region are all impoverished ignoramuses’. Let me assure you that ignorance has no geographic, political or economic boundaries. Perhaps you’ve seen the movie “Deliverance” once too often?

Actually, I have never partook of the movie, "Deliverance". What I reported in my post was fact not myth. Do you need to see pictures? And if you notice in no way shape or form did I call them "impoverished ignoramuses", those would be your words. True they lacked what you would deem "social graces", their children in the summer ran barefoot, girls (shockingly I know) climbed trees, and they did not invite us in and offer us a drink, as is the custom in most Southern households. What they did do though was open their community to strangers who wanted nothing more than to help. Even gentlemen with long hair, piercings, and tattoos.

And I agree, say please and thank you; hold open doors for people, be courteous. If you look at the "rules" for hats and see the vocabulary in place, they are indeed very antiquated. Saloon? Parcel? Train Station? I agree, let a person take off their hat to show respect for the dead, the flag, or their faith. Do not impose judgement on how they were brought up should they choose to wear their hat during dinner, or "fumble" on where to place their hat in respectful settings.

And on judging people, yes we all do it. It is a different matter entirely when you enforce it into your daily routine. I honestly think you are no more intelligent than those you choose to avoid. By negating their thoughts, behaviors, and even their existence you have lowered yourself beneath them in ways I cannot comprehend. You have shut yourself off from quite a bit of the human race before you even give them a chance. I have a feeling Illuminations is lost on you.

Have you ever thought to ask someone with a tattoo "What does it mean?" There is a story, trust me. And you will hear it all. Why they chose it, what the symbol stands for, what it means to them, why they wanted it to represent a certain time and remind them for the rest of their life.

I actually feel sorry for you that you miss out on meeting some very interesting people just because you are scared of what they might say or do. And yes, I have quite a bit of common sense. I don't pick out random tattooed people and point at them and shriek "You must be SMART!", but I have found in many cases they are just as intelligent as the next person and they have some cool stories.

At this point though, I won't respond to any of your further posts. I can see by your venom in your previous post your mind is made up on the World. But, honestly, I really don't care what you think. So if you see a Mom pushing a stroller with two kids, laden with ice cream, beaming and singing "Yo Ho a Pirates Life For Me!" Just look the other way, I don't want you to ruin my day with your stare.

 

[NYDisGuy]

Maybe we should all wear powdered wigs when we go out too. Times change, the role model of the youth are people who have sex tapes and bands who have more tattos and piercings on them then you would of seen in any city 30 years ago. The "norms" are constantly changing, and I really have no respect for people who look down on other people because of the choice they make on their bodies. However, I digress because this thread has gone insanley off topic. I wear hats everywhere and anywhere except for the national anthem, work or at a signature restaurant where dress code is required. I don't think the 16 year old waitress at applebees cares if I have my hat on or not.

 

[inaminute]

I guess I'm just getting old, but I miss civility and common courtesy.

I'm certainly not the most refined person in the world, but I've come to realize that some things were definitely better in the good old days. The use of manners and etiquette are long gone. It's all about "me-me-me" these days.

Society has certainly changed. And, IMHO, not for the better. It's very sad.

 

[2008wildcat]

This thread is exactly why I will wear my "Grumpy" hat (that I bought in WDW) everywhere in WDW.