When is Brazlian Tour Group season?

[G00fyDad]

I'm sorry but i'm not in agreement with you. I don't see it that way and I think if you go back and read all the post yourself both Hippychickali and I have both made well thought out rational points about this subject. If you have a different opinion that's fine, but you must accept that I for one don't see things from the same perspective that you do.

I agree. We dont see things from the same perspective.

And I do not make my comments about Americans being treated more harshly abroad loosely. I have been in that situation before. I spent the better part of my life growing up in Japan while my father was stationed there. I had the crap beaten out of me for minor things. Although I was a young kid then and may not have known better. That did not matter to the person beating the crap out of me.

This conversation really has nothing to do with beatings. It has to do with a specific countries WDW tour groups' inability to act like they have ANY brains at all.

 

[Mymatisse]

I agree. We dont see things from the same perspective.

And I do not make my comments about Americans being treated more harshly abroad loosely. I have been in that situation before. I spent the better part of my life growing up in Japan while my father was stationed there. I had the crap beaten out of me for minor things. Although I was a young kid then and may not have known better. That did not matter to the person beating the crap out of me.

This conversation really has nothing to do with beatings. It has to do with a specific countries WDW tour groups' inability to act like they have ANY brains at all.

If we labled every pushy person in WDW by country/national origin then we would probably have every nation in the world on that list. I think everyone needs to show some respect and act like they have some sense when visiting a park with thousands of other people.

 

[G00fyDad]

Exactly! And I don't care what nationality you'd be talking about, it wouldn't be right.

Ali

Whatever, please place me into your ignore group Ali. I have noticed that you look for groups to argue with. It doesnt matter if the thread has 1000 people in it agreeing with each other, you will come in and disagree.

You cannot tell me that it would not crank you off to have 25 or so people cut in front of you or slam into your kids. I suppose you'd just move out of the way and say "Excuse my child. He was in your childs path"? According to your policy of it not being right to say anything about it than you'd just have to take it huh? Go ahead, contradict yourself.

 

[san2ting2mom]

Very, very interesting thread.

As a minority (Chinese) living in the US who has traveled all around the world, it is interesting to note that people everywhere are irate with another certain group of foreigners. And it is interesting to note that most of the tour groups that give their nationalities a bad name are usually the youth groups. So why are we singling them out only for their nationalities, and not for their youth???

When traveling in Europe, I have seen American youth groups run around in church court yards and barging into cathedrals during prayers and cussing out the security at the Vatican because they were not allowed in because they were showing too much skin. I've also seen American youths speaking Spanish to retailers in Portugal (talk about ignorant!) and jumping and climbing on statues in garden, even though signs specifically asked people to not even touch them. Likewise, I've been shoved around by Italians, glared at by the Swiss, and treated with rudness by the Germans. And don't even get me started on the big Argentinian family groups on those Caribbean cruises! And where I live (Washington DC), I see Asian tour groups literally take over the city in the summertime, and believe me -- I mean TAKE OVER.

So, in other words, there are rude people everywhere, and there are polite people everywhere. I don't think it's fair for us to single out just one nationality; however, I can see the OP's point of view. Perhaps the Brazilians travel to WDW en masse during a certain time of the year, so they are more visible. For instance, the Chinese may be just as rude, but because their tourism season to WDW is spread out over the year, rather than converging on the park all in two months, they are less noticeable, kwim?

Frankly, I've found it worthwhile to stand up to such rude people. In Portugal, when I heard the American speak Spanish to the retailers, I did not hesistate to say, "They speak PORTUGUESE in Portugal." And I yelled at the kids to stop running around the church and show some respect, and they were as quiet as mice after that, and some even came to apologize to me. And the Italians who tried to push their way in front of me in the bathroom got a good shove back from me and a bit of swearing in English -- who cares if they understood me. Stand up for yourself, and more often than not, these bullies will back down. Don't let them ruin your vacation for you!

Linda

 

[leighe]

My SIL is Brazilian and won't go to WDW when the Brazilian tour groups are there. She said a lot of the kids use the excuse of being so far from home and parents and in another country to do basically whatever they want. In some cases (this is according to her) rude behavior is expected or encouraged - sort of like a "tradition" thing. It does remind me of a fraternity party mentality. Her neices and nephews weren't allowed to go on one of these trips because their parents had heard so much about the rude, obnoxious behavior.

 

[Hippychickali]

If we labled every pushy person in WDW by country/national origin then we would probably have every nation in the world on that list. I think everyone needs to show some respect and act like they have some sense when visiting a park with thousands of other people.

Very well said, Lisa. I'd be willing to bet if we had a way to add up the "offenders", we'd actually find that most aren't from Brazil at all. Therefore, it really isn't beneficial to single out a single group in this way.

Ali

 

[Mymatisse]

Very, very interesting thread.

As a minority (Chinese) living in the US who has traveled all around the world, it is interesting to note that people everywhere are irate with another certain group of foreigners. And it is interesting to note that most of the tour groups that give their nationalities a bad name are usually the youth groups. So why are we singling them out only for their nationalities, and not for their youth???

When traveling in Europe, I have seen American youth groups run around in church court yards and barging into cathedrals during prayers and cussing out the security at the Vatican because they were not allowed in because they were showing too much skin. I've also seen American youths speaking Spanish to retailers in Portugal (talk about ignorant!) and jumping and climbing on statues in garden, even though signs specifically asked people to not even touch them. Likewise, I've been shoved around by Italians, glared at by the Swiss, and treated with rudness by the Germans. And don't even get me started on the big Argentinian family groups on those Caribbean cruises! And where I live (Washington DC), I see Asian tour groups literally take over the city in the summertime, and believe me -- I mean TAKE OVER.

So, in other words, there are rude people everywhere, and there are polite people everywhere. I don't think it's fair for us to single out just one nationality; however, I can see the OP's point of view. Perhaps the Brazilians travel to WDW en masse during a certain time of the year, so they are more visible. For instance, the Chinese may be just as rude, but because their tourism season to WDW is spread out over the year, rather than converging on the park all in two months, they are less noticeable, kwim?

Frankly, I've found it worthwhile to stand up to such rude people. In Portugal, when I heard the American speak Spanish to the retailers, I did not hesistate to say, "They speak PORTUGUESE in Portugal." And I yelled at the kids to stop running around the church and show some respect, and they were as quiet as mice after that, and some even came to apologize to me. And the Italians who tried to push their way in front of me in the bathroom got a good shove back from me and a bit of swearing in English -- who cares if they understood me. Stand up for yourself, and more often than not, these bullies will back down. Don't let them ruin your vacation for you!

Linda

Very good point Linda!

 

[G00fyDad]

If we labled every pushy person in WDW by country/national origin then we would probably have every nation in the world on that list. I think everyone needs to show some respect and act like they have some sense when visiting a park with thousands of other people.

True but what this thread was about is the "main" group of "i dont care" people that were there the days these thread posters were there were the Brazillians. No getting around that. I have seen people from all over cut lines and generally act like an @!*. However, the Brazillian tour groups apparently have a corner on the theme park idiot market with 25+ people cutting line and laughing when their child injures another child.

 

[G00fyDad]

...Frankly, I've found it worthwhile to stand up to such rude people. In Portugal, when I heard the American speak Spanish to the retailers, I did not hesistate to say, "They speak PORTUGUESE in Portugal." And I yelled at the kids to stop running around the church and show some respect, and they were as quiet as mice after that, and some even came to apologize to me. And the Italians who tried to push their way in front of me in the bathroom got a good shove back from me and a bit of swearing in English -- who cares if they understood me. Stand up for yourself, and more often than not, these bullies will back down. Don't let them ruin your vacation for you!

Linda

Good for you. Seriously.

 

[Hippychickali]

Whatever, please place me into your ignore group Ali. I have noticed that you look for groups to argue with. It doesnt matter if the thread has 1000 people in it agreeing with each other, you will come in and disagree.

You cannot tell me that it would not crank you off to have 25 or so people cut in front of you or slam into your kids. I suppose you'd just move out of the way and say "Excuse my child. He was in your childs path"? According to your policy of it not being right to say anything about it than you'd just have to take it huh? Go ahead, contradict yourself.

G00fyDad, I'm getting really tired of being called down for things that have nothing to do with the thread at hand. If you don't like me, fine but argue/agree with what I'm saying not with who I am. I have no reason to ignore you. Despite your obvious hate for me, you seem like a pretty reasonable and nice person. This is a discussion about an issue not about personalities.

Yes. If someone was rude, I would not just stand there and take it. I would be the first to let them know. However, it would have nothing to do with their nationality but their behaviour. I don't see that as a contradiction at all.

Ali

 

[G00fyDad]

G00fyDad, I'm getting really tired of being called down for things that have nothing to do with the thread at hand. If you don't like me, fine but argue/agree with what I'm saying not with who I am. I have no reason to ignore you. Despite your obvious hate for me, you seem like a pretty reasonable and nice person. This is a discussion about an issue not about personalities.

Yes. If someone was rude, I would not just stand their and take it. I would be the first to let them know. However, it would have nothing to do with their nationality but their behaviour. I don't see that as a contradiction at all.

Ali

I dont hate you. You just have a tendency to stir crap up from time to time. (the copyright on the LOTR triva game?)

You say thay you would be the first to say something about their behavior but we shouldnt say anything about it here? That's not a contradiction?

 

[Hippychickali]

I dont hate you. You just have a tendency to stir crap up from time to time. (the copyright on the LOTR triva game?)

You say thay you would be the first to say something about their behavior but we shouldnt say anything about it here? That's not a contradiction?

If you were simply talking about rude behaviour, I would have no problem with it. However, that's not what this discussion is about....it's about "Brazilian Tour Group season".

I am opinionated. No doubt about it. However, that doesn't make anything I have to say less valid. (I didn't start anything about LOTR, for the record. I simply responded to a thread.) If you want to continue this discussion, feel free to PM me.

Ali

 

[Kapp]

this is a mark against all Brazilians, just the ones that invade WDW and show horrible manners. I don't take it persoanlly when other countries slam Americans for going to their country and expecting everyone to speak English, wear shorts to churches, etc. This is a generalization and anyone that has experienced it, can relate!

The dress of the women and especially the teenage and "tween" girls, is one thing that is hard to explain to young kids, esp young boys! Granted, most have the body and looks to wear their skimpy outfits...but not at WDW! Maybe on the beach, on a fashion runway or a strip joint but not with little kids (and older men with weak hearts!) around. Whenever I go to another country, I will do everything I can to respect their culture, dress, customs, etc. and just find it hard to understand why these groups will not only try this but are almost doing everything they can to disrespect not only other guests (yes, some folks from England and Germany were taken aback from the dress of the young girls) but also WDW.

We won't solve it here but those going during the big tour times should be aware.

Kapp

 

[Jennasis]

The thing is...well...At certain times of the year there are vast quantities of rude people who happen to all be from Brazil. Then again there are times of the year when there are vast quantities of other rude groups (cheerleaders, grad nights). I generally try to avoid those times of year because A)they are crowded times anyway and B) I just can't deal with the rudeness.

The Brazilian tour groups we bumped into in July of 2000 were not only loud, rude, and numerous...but frankly they were funny as heck!. While waiting in line for just about any ride, at least one or more groups would suddenly start clapping in rhythm and burst into song. It became a running joke for my little group.

We were waiting for the bus to POFQ one night and were exhausted. Our spirits were perked up when a nearby tour group started another round of raucous clapping and singing, periodically interupted by one group member who would suddenly stop, apparently remembering a whole NEW song they could be singing, and would then rouse the group with much gusto into this "new" song. Which, coincindentally , always sounded exaclty like the one they had just sung.

 

[G00fyDad]

this is not a mark against all Brazilians, just the ones that invade WDW and show horrible manners.

Exactly!!!

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

We were waiting for the bus to POFQ one night and were exhausted. Our spirits were perked up when a nearby tour group started another round of raucous clapping and singing, periodically interupted by one group member who would suddenly stop, apparently remembering a whole NEW song they could be singing, and would then rouse the group with much gusto into this "new" song. Which, coincindentally , always sounded exaclty like the one they had just sung.

LOL!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hippychickali]

I understand why you would want to avoid times when large groups were at WDW, for sure. But I think the question could have been asked without even mentioning the word "rude". If you just want to know when large groups of Brazilians are there, you can ask that. But to say you want to avoid rude Brazilians...I think that's unnecessary. I think that's where the problem comes from for me.

Ali

 

[Toby]

Why doesn't Disney Security do a better job of policing these large tour groups - whomever they are. They obviously know when these groups are coming, and I'm know there has been numerous complaints from other guests over the years. I don't think it is fair to expect other guests to prevent line cutting or rowdy screaming people - Disney obviously hasn't taken a firm stand with these groups - otherwise people wouldn't be so vocal about them. Disney should spell out the rules when these groups book, and if they don't comply, they shouldn't be invited back!! Granted, any large group of young adults running around the parks and hotels can be intimidating with the noise, etc., but it is the same complaint from other guests, every year, "when do the large Brazilian tour groups come, so I can avoid them?" Obviously, Disney does a terrible job with them!!

 

[G00fyDad]

Why doesn't Disney Security do a better job of policing these large tour groups - whomever they are. They obviously know when these groups are coming, and I'm know there has been numerous complaints from other guests over the years. I don't think it is fair to expect other guests to prevent line cutting or rowdy screaming people - Disney obviously hasn't taken a firm stand with these groups - otherwise people wouldn't be so vocal about them. Disney should spell out the rules when these groups book, and if they don't comply, they shouldn't be invited back!! Granted, any large group of young adults running around the parks and hotels can be intimidating with the noise, etc., but it is the same complaint from other guests, every year, "when do the large Brazilian tour groups come, so I can avoid them?" Obviously, Disney does a terrible job with them!!

According to the OP WDW has stopped advertising in Brazil. That may help somewhat with the rude Brazillian tour groups.

 

[shatzjsl]

I understand why you would want to avoid times when large groups were at WDW, for sure. But I think the question could have been asked without even mentioning the word "rude". If you just want to know when large groups of Brazilians are there, you can ask that. But to say you want to avoid rude Brazilians...I think that's unnecessary. I think that's where the problem comes from for me.

Ali

Give it up, Ali. We all know about the rude Brazilian tour groups. Nobody is picking on all of Brazil. I've been around the board for over a year and this isn't the first time these groups have been singled out. They ARE a problem. Obviously youth groups from other countries aren't a problem or we would be talking about them, too.

Speaking of other groups, how many threads have we seen about Pop Warner and cheerleaders? Were you right there defending them?