What is people's problem with kids?

[MommaPooh217]

Lisa,

I totally agree with you parenting is a 24/7 job. But I don't think you read my whole post. I did say that if a child is bothering you that you should politely address the parent . Even ask if there is something you might be able to do to help the situation. At best you may find out what the situation is and be able in some way to help correct it quicker ( and yes you are on vacation and no it is not your job to do this, it's a suggestion) . At worst you embarass the parent into doing their job as a parent by killing them with kindness. At worst worst the parent is rude and is obviously going to do nothing to correct the problem but at least then you know and then you ask a CM for help.


Blessed Be,
Tina

 

[maddhatir]

For heavens sake I was just making a point. I have 1)left and 2) said something to the child or parent and 3) not complained to a CM because someone else usually beat me to it. The point I was trying to make is that nobody likes that behaviour whether you have kids or not. Sheeesh.

That is funny- YOU are the one who has to leave! Why don't the parents take the child elsewhere-

100 people have to leave one area b/c of one child screaming- makes sense.

 

[SharkyGoddess]

It is not worth it. Yes, kids were screaming and no I did not time them. Just too long to be screaming in peoples ears. Not just mine but everyones around us. If you think this behaviour is fine so be it. I do not. I see I am just going to look like a "child hater" if I don't tolerate bad behaviour.

I just had to step in and give my 2 cents, and no, it will be done politely. For starters, I can see how so many parents, myself included, have become sensitive to the "child free". I was pointed to a message board of people who had chosen to not have children and these people were terrible. Commenting about abused, abducted and murdered children in the news, saying children are worthless and deserved what they got. Bragging about tripping, or shoving small children down in public places when they knew no one was looking. One woman even claimed to have hit a child in a parking lot on purpose because she "was sick of all the kids running loose". These types of "child free" couples and singles are the ones who have given the rest of you the bad rep. So it because of those that you should blame for your "child hater" brand.

While I too, as a parent, expect children to be behaved no matter where they are, I also realize that kids just like adults are not perfect. So expecting perfect behavior is unrealistic. The kicking or hitting, if it is obviously an accident I shrug off. If however it is obvious the kid did it just to be annoying, I myself will bypass the parent and verbally correct the child myself. Someone mentioned those stupid wheelie things... I loathe those things! They're even forbidden in my house. As for screaming, if it is a small (and I am talking about 3 and under) child then they could just be having a melt down, and as a mom of three I can tell you that no matter what you do, they just need to melt, and yes, 2 minutes can feel like 20 when it involves a screaming kiddo.

To the so called adults out there who feel children should neither be seen or heard, who believe their lives are worthless and not important enough to be a part of every day society... YOU had better be the best behaved, quiet, and courteous person I have ever met, or I will scold you too, just as I do an ill behaved child! If you are going to act like some self absorbed, over indulged PMSing tween, then you should loose your privileges just as they do. Being treated like an adult, is a privilege, NOT a right!

 

[TDC Nala]

I have seen more and more threads on here lately (and other boards) about how horrible kids are and there should be "adult only" areas in places obviously geered to kids or families. What is the deal? Why do some people hate kids so much?

I don't have any. And don't tell me I don't belong at anything with Disney in the name if I don't have any.

I don't hate them either. But I don't want to be around them if they're misbehaving. In the eyes of some that would make me a child hater, but it's the parents that are causing problems, telling the kids it's okay to shove in front of people at parades and shows, ( I don't mind letting the kids stand in front of me...but I can't see over the parents and they think they're entitled to accompany the kids although they didn't wait for a space like those who were already there), letting kids run around the restaurants and throw food (once, and just once, I got hit in the head with a big piece of broccoli, and I sure hope it never happens again)

I think PI ought to at least be adult only. All of it, not just the dance clubs.

And why is everybody so upset about the way other people might LOOK at them? Who the heck cares?

 

[bytheblood]

I don't think the people hate kids. I think it is more about parents who do not teach their children manners or to follow the rules.

 

[briar_rose_59]

I don't mind kids, I actually really like kids. I just don't like it when people assume I have no business being at WDW because I don't have kids. Last time I was at DL a woman actually got her 7-8 year old daughter to push in front of me, and then stood next to me so they could both have front row seats. Would it have been that hard for her to have her DD stand in front of her? And then on top of that, she shoved her video camera in front of my face, so not only did she have a front row seat, as well as her daughter, her view wasn't blocked by her video camera. Things like that bug me.

 

[DJ Disney Kid]

Ok, I'll be the lone ranger here. I hate kids! I find them annoying. I deal with them in Disneyworld because I have too, but I would agree that its the parents that are worse because they make no efforts to contain their kids. I go to Disney to enjoy the attractions just like your children, yet many parents feel that its ok if their child is grabbing at 3-D objects in front of my face because "Im an adult and should understand." Or how about when I sit down in ITTBAB and little Johnny sits next to me. All of a sudden he starts crying from fear and not only do I have to listen to that, I get to hear, "Its all fake, its gonna be fine, their not real!" over and over. How about you both shut up and take it outside so I can still enjoy the attraction? That would be the polite thing to do.

Ok I'll end ranting there. Sorry, this is a sore spot for me.

 

[sdbirdsong]

I think it goes both ways. The parents here hate nasty talk about kids. Likewise, there are people that will push you out of the way in a line or say that you should give up your seat for their child because you are childless. It's a case of "grass is always greener" I think. I had a guy at Halloween tell me that I should move for his kid. I honestly wouldn't have had an issue with letting his child in front of me, but he didn't even ask. Just said, "I had a kid. MIND IF I GET UP THERE?" and huffed like I had no business whatsoever paying for my passes, hotel room, food etc. that I pay when I go to WDW.

Likewise, there are people on this board that post, "Well, Disney is for KIDS." to numerous topics because they have a child. I think it always amazes me because, when I was growing up, if we wanted to, say, see a parade, we waited just like everyone else. Now I see people saying, "Well, you should give up your spot for MY child." That's not only rude, arrogant and stinking of self-entitlement, it's also setting your kid up for a world of hurt when they get older and realize the world doesn't revolve around them.

I get a kick out of watching kids enjoy Disney. It's the parents who believe the world revolves around their child and that everyone should MOVE OUT OF THE WAY for their child that gets me.

Don't dislike kids. Dislike the way they are allowed to behave in public. When I was growing up, kids were to be seen and not heard. When we were in a restaurant (which was a treat not the in the everyday course), we were to be seated in our seats at all times and to use indoor voices. No running around, no yelling, no throwing food, etc. No meltdowns in public, because I knew what would be waiting for me when I got home, THE BELT. So didn't scream, cry, yell or argue with my parents. Were me and my siblings angels. Far from it. We were right hellions at home. But we knew that we were to act a certain way in public or else

Bravo blondeheroine I can't stand it when parents decide that you should give up your seat (you've been there an hour) at the parade so that their kids can get in front. If it's not important to get there early and wait to get a good view, don't expect others who have been there to let you in. Kids have to learn to wait like everyone else for the things they want. This only teaches children that the world revolves around them and that the rules don't apply to them. And people wonder why kids are like they are today?

I also can't stand it when people say that WDW is primarily for kids. It's for anyone willing to plunk down a couDple of thousand dollars for a week's vacation. Walt wanted Disney to be for everyone. That includes us that are without children.

 

[briar_rose_59]

I also can't stand it when people say that WDW is primarily for kids. It's for anyone willing to plunk down a couDple of thousand dollars for a week's vacation. Walt wanted Disney to be for everyone. That includes us that are without children.

 

[sdbirdsong]

Yes, but the difference is that if I behaved the way I have seen some of these kids behave, I wouldn't have seen the light of day for a looonnng time. My parents would NEVER have tolerated disrespect. Nor would they have let me run willy nilly around a restaurant while they enjoyed their dinner.

Same with me Liisa. If we couldn't behave in a public setting, we left, got sent to the car while everyone else was enjoying the activity and usually had consequences to pay when we got home like a spanking. My parent also thought twice the next time. We learned to behave in public or else.

 

[TDC Nala]

Last year a boy of about 11 nearly knocked me down running to get off of the bus at Animal Kingdom. His dad reined him in immediately and made him apologize. When the kid dragged his feet about it, Dad said he was going to take that kid back to the resort on the next bus unless he apologized right now.

A lot of parents just say "Don't you dare glare at my kid for almost knocking you off the steps on the bus, after all he's just a kid and he's excited and you, as an adult,should have had enough sense to let him go first" but this father wasn't having any of that.

 

[DJ Disney Kid]

Don't dislike kids. Dislike the way they are allowed to behave in public. When I was growing up, kids were to be seen and not heard. When we were in a restaurant (which was a treat not the in the everyday course), we were to be seated in our seats at all times and to use indoor voices. No running around, no yelling, no throwing food, etc. No meltdowns in public, because I knew what would be waiting for me when I got home, THE BELT. So didn't scream, cry, yell or argue with my parents. Were me and my siblings angels. Far from it. We were right hellions at home. But we knew that we were to act a certain way in public or else

Bravo blondeheroine I can't stand it when parents decide that you should give up your seat (you've been there an hour) at the parade so that their kids can get in front. If it's not important to get there early and wait to get a good view, don't expect others who have been there to let you in. Kids have to learn to wait like everyone else for the things they want. This only teaches children that the world revolves around them and that the rules don't apply to them. And people wonder why kids are like they are today?

I also can't stand it when people say that WDW is primarily for kids. It's for anyone willing to plunk down a couDple of thousand dollars for a week's vacation. Walt wanted Disney to be for everyone. That includes us that are without children.

Hell yeah! THE BELT! Thats what my daddy had. He kept it in a real squeaky drawer too, so if you heard the squeak, you knew it was over.

 

[Hixski]

I just had to step in and give my 2 cents, and no, it will be done politely. For starters, I can see how so many parents, myself included, have become sensitive to the "child free". I was pointed to a message board of people who had chosen to not have children and these people were terrible. Commenting about abused, abducted and murdered children in the news, saying children are worthless and deserved what they got. Bragging about tripping, or shoving small children down in public places when they knew no one was looking. One woman even claimed to have hit a child in a parking lot on purpose because she "was sick of all the kids running loose". These types of "child free" couples and singles are the ones who have given the rest of you the bad rep. So it because of those that you should blame for your "child hater" brand.

I do blame people like that but not all childfree people are like that. Don't you think that is extreme. I do. I would never do anything that you are talking about. We get upset because we are all viewed in that way. We don't say all parents are bad or don't parent. We don't seem to get the same respect.

While I too, as a parent, expect children to be behaved no matter where they are, I also realize that kids just like adults are not perfect. So expecting perfect behavior is unrealistic. The kicking or hitting, if it is obviously an accident I shrug off. If however it is obvious the kid did it just to be annoying, I myself will bypass the parent and verbally correct the child myself. Someone mentioned those stupid wheelie things... I loathe those things! They're even forbidden in my house. As for screaming, if it is a small (and I am talking about 3 and under) child then they could just be having a melt down, and as a mom of three I can tell you that no matter what you do, they just need to melt, and yes, 2 minutes can feel like 20 when it involves a screaming kiddo.

Where did anyone say they expected perfect behaviour? Not one person has said that. We only expect that bad behaviour not be ignored.

To the so called adults out there who feel children should neither be seen or heard, who believe their lives are worthless and not important enough to be a part of every day society... YOU had better be the best behaved, quiet, and courteous person I have ever met, or I will scold you too, just as I do an ill behaved child! If you are going to act like some self absorbed, over indulged PMSing tween, then you should loose your privileges just as they do. Being treated like an adult, is a privilege, NOT a right!

I don't know who the "so called" adults are who feel children should neither be seen or heard. I personally don't know any. As for the rest of that last paragraph. WOW. I don't think that part is too polite.

 

[Bouncing4Tigger]

I don't have kids and do not want any adult only places at Disney. I don't expect kids to be perfect. But like others I do expect the parent to tell the child to stop kicking my chair and apologize. Or at least to stop.

NO, kids are not going to be quiet, but they don't need to be running around in a crowd screaming and practically knocking into people, while the parents are just standing there chatting and ignoring them. Yeah, they are being kids, they don't know any better, but thats why they have parents to teach them.

I know parenting is not easy and I don't think that most people making these posts mean all kids. Just these unruley kids, which in most cases I find it is more at fault with parents not being parents.

 

[MommaPooh217]

Growing,
Remember what I said about ignoring kid behavior threads ? Well now we have a prime example why, and I am now going to take my own advice.And once again to those exposed to a child having a bad moment who can't move on... well my Mom used to have a saying " The more you cry , the less you pee"



Blessed Be,
Tina

 

[TinkerbellTris]

Normally I would have read this and laughed and moved on. BUT.... I want to put my 2 cents in, and what I have to say will relate to all. (No flames Please.) When I was younger I hated kids. HATED them all. My parents would take us to disneyland and I would get a kick out of kids that ran into me and would fall cause I wouldn't move. I HATED them. As I grew up and got married I still hated kids, and didn't want any. Then one day I decided I wanted a kid. When my son was born I waited until he was 16 months old, and off to Disneyland we went. Now I have to say, it put a new light into my eyes. It was never the kids I hated, it was their rude parents I hated. The one's who rile the kids up and RUN full speed to cut you off in line for the matterhorn, then are so wound up they keep stepping on your feet in line and acting all nuts. Parents included. And the grown mother of 2 teenage kids who ran over my 16 month old to get their pictures with Mickey Mouse when clearly there was a line and my son was next. Now he's got a scraped knee and is crying and it's a mess. No they never said sorry, and yes I was ready to fight that lady, but they called security on them for hurting my son. People the point is, it's not the kids. People may say they hate kids, that's their opinion, they probably do not want children. They pay the same as we do to go to Disneyland or WDW, and they deserve an enjoyable trip as well. On the flip side it appears it isn't the kids everyone is upset at, it's the parents who do not control the kids. But also I'm the type of person now that my son is 8, that if there is a kid acting up and the parent is doing nothing about it in line for an attraction or during an attraction, I'm the parent talking crap out loud to that parent. Just so you all know, my son is very good, and very quiet, and he never made any noise or cried on rides, but if he did I would have taken him out of there for the consideration of others enjoyment. And he knows to not act up, cause we warn him upon entry to the park if we have to tell him more than once to behave we will get on the bus and head back to the room for a nice booty spankin!

 

[septbaby]

I personally don't think that it's that people hate kids, as much as they dislike kids who misbehave.

Kids and misbehave are almost the same word, right? Kids are going to lose their minds in a place like Disney(take me to Goofy's candy shop, let me pick, decorate and eat that thing, yea I'll be a calm kid, riiiight) and parents are going to pick their battles. Some definitely wait too long to battle, but parents are flawed too.

I don't have kids, but I have a 5yr old nephew travelling with me on this trip.
My nephew loves to play. This kid would live at the playground if we let him, he cries when its time to leave. It will be really interesting to see how he handles leaving Mickey's place. So, I apologize in advance for a whimpering nephew who just wants to stay and play with Mickey and friends a little while longer.

 

[dbmarie]

I read through the threads and I have to say there have been more times where I have had people at Disney World especially say to me in front of my dd's, "It's Disney World let them have fun". Yes it's Disney World but I still have to remind my dd's to remember their manners. That's not very helpful although I'm sure the people saying it mean well, and yes usually coming from people without children.

 

[Tess'smom]

Ok, I'll be the lone ranger here. I hate kids! I find them annoying. I deal with them in Disneyworld because I have too, but I would agree that its the parents that are worse because they make no efforts to contain their kids. I go to Disney to enjoy the attractions just like your children, yet many parents feel that its ok if their child is grabbing at 3-D objects in front of my face because "Im an adult and should understand." Or how about when I sit down in ITTBAB and little Johnny sits next to me. All of a sudden he starts crying from fear and not only do I have to listen to that, I get to hear, "Its all fake, its gonna be fine, their not real!" over and over. How about you both shut up and take it outside so I can still enjoy the attraction? That would be the polite thing to do.

Ok I'll end ranting there. Sorry, this is a sore spot for me.

Gosh, don't hold back now! Wow, I hope that you can enjoy your vacations with all of those evil children and parents around at WDW.

You also mentioned that "Hell yeah! The BELT! Thats what my Daddy had" like it's a good thing. Please don't make this a thread about how it right to beat your children with a belt.

 

[Princess Stitch]

What I really don't understand is why parents get SO offended when people don't want to be around their kids all the time. I like kids, and plan to have some one day, but right now I'm enjoying my kidless time! I don't expect there to be no kids around, but when I'm at a parade, show, in a line or at a nice restaurant I expect them to not be running into me, climbing on my table, kicking me, pushing me or spilling their ice cream on me (and yes those things have ALL happened). I don't hate kids, but I may not think yours are cute if they are shoving me or screaming in my ear, or yelling so loud that I can't have a conversation with DBF during dinner.

I think when you become a parent these things become more commonplace to you. I've seen many people comment that "they're kids, these things happen". What you have to understand is that alot of us without kids are not subject to these kinds of things all day every day and they bother us more. I don't expect you to not bring your kids to a show or a restaurant, but I sure do expect you to take them outside to calm them down if they're screaming or crying, or to prevent them from running around the place (unless of course it's somewhere that is encouraged like 'ohanas.. then it's my choice to eat there knowing what I'm getting in to).

The same way people with kids are asking us to be patient and understanding, I ask the same thing of the parent. If your kid screams for 10 minutes in a ride line up and I shoot you a look instead of asking you politely to make him stop, it's because I expect you to notice that your kid has been crying for a really long time. Also, I have asked parents to have their child stop pushing or kicking me only to get the dirtiest look or a rude comment. I also agree about the whole parade thing. If you want your kids to be in the front, get there early! I usually sit in the "front row" on a curb (or stand behind a rope) if I can because I like to take pictures. I know you want your kid to see the parade but I don't want to spend the whole time looking at the back of his head either. I also was walking and had some little kid run into me full tilt and fall over and let me tell you I thought the parent was going to kill me! Like I should have been watching where HER kid is going! (note: I ususally do try and look out for the little ones, but this one kinda snuck up behind me)

Now please don't take this personally. These situations are not the majority of children. If they were the park would be more like a rock concert. However, these situations do happen all too often, and yes they do stand out in my head, but I also remember all the nice conversations I've had with the cute kids there as well .