What does “financially stable” mean to you?

Yes, we have insurance. But the officer deemed neither driver at fault. So can't go through insurance.
l'm in Texas also, if it matters.

Whatever information you were provided by your insurance "customer service" rep is incorrect. I highly recommend pursuing this further.

What if a tree fell on your car and damaged it? Would you have insurance coverage then?

Review the "declaration page" for your insurance policy. It will look something like what is in this link: https://www.opic.texas.gov/news/dec-page/

If all else fails, file a complaint with the Texas Department of Insurance. https://www.tdi.texas.gov/consumer/auto-insurance-complaint.html

If your wife's accident had been in a $50,000 car, are you still sure that you would be out $50,000? There is absolutely no way that you have zero coverage because the police couldn't assign fault.
 
l'm in Texas also, if it matters.

Whatever information you were provided by your insurance "customer service" rep is incorrect. I highly recommend pursuing this further.

What if a tree fell on your car and damaged it? Would you have insurance coverage then?

Review the "declaration page" for your insurance policy. It will look something like what is in this link: https://www.opic.texas.gov/news/dec-page/

If all else fails, file a complaint with the Texas Department of Insurance. https://www.tdi.texas.gov/consumer/auto-insurance-complaint.html

If your wife's accident had been in a $50,000 car, are you still sure that you would be out $50,000? There is absolutely no way that you have zero coverage because the police couldn't assign fault.
Excellent points. Either way he needs to look further into his insurance. If he doesn’t have collision he should get it in case of another accident.
 
... My husband is in IT, what he studied 40 years ago is nothing like what he does today.
Yeah, I think that's typical. I'm a (recently retired) teacher, and when I was in college in the 1980s I certainly never thought I'd teach online courses. In fact, I had my first college degree before I ever touched a computer.
That's why it's important to know how to learn -- the world WILL change over the course of your career.
We're blessed to have the resources to pay for our kids' college--it helps that the three currently attending are going close and cheap. But, we require them to pay for their books and incidentals. These days, you can save a lot on books, renting, getting the subject matter online, etc. It's up to them if they want a cheap option or not. And of course, they're much more judicious in their spending, when it's their own money.
We did the same thing. We let them know well ahead of time what we'd pay (and it was absolutely the lion's share) and what they'd be managing on their own. They weren't overwhelmed with work, but they had some responsibility and built up some work history.
Wife was planning on waiting for the full Social Security but cancer has her wanting to retire and collect it early in January. The cushion of cash we saved will help that. Early Social Security draw means about $640 less per month.
We are going to take SS at 62. Why?
- We will need money to live on, and we have two choices: 1) Use SS money or 2) Withdraw money from our savings /investments.
- The savings /investments can be left to our children, so it makes sense to us to maintain those savings.
Totally yes, you can be financially independent with a bit of CC debt. I've taken a few months to pay things off before and eaten a few $$'s in charges but my 401k says I am financially independent. You can't make a blanket statement without knowing a persons level of debt.
You and I aren't going to agree on that.
I'll say again, you can't get ahead while you're paying off yesterday's goods.
If it the freezer died and must be replaced immediately - that’s an emergency. Take the money from your emergency fund and pay it back over the next 3 months. Not an emergency? Then save money for 3 months and then buy the freezer. Delayed gratification is a thing.

Financially independent people should not be paying credit card interest. What a waste of money.
We're far from poor, but when our refrigerator broke we bought a floor model (at a pretty good discount). When we decided we needed a separate freezer, we bought one off Craigslist for $40 -- it's been with us now about 15 years.
We also buy most of our clothing from Goodwill or ebay.
We are thrifty and live well below our means.
We did. They said since neither party was faulted/ticketed, it's like it never happened. So there's nothing they can do.
I suspect the poster has only liability insurance. This is a reasonable choice, but it's important to know what you're choosing -- I'm surprised how many people don't know this stuff:
- You probably have to have liability insurance. If you cause a wreck, it'll pay for the other person's car. But not yours.
- If your car isn't paid off or if the loss of your car would be a financial crisis for you, you probably have to have collison insurance as well. This would pay for your car regardless of who caused the wreck.
- Even if your car is paid off, you might want to keep collision. Depends upon your ability to pay for a fix or replacement.
- Don't forget uninsured motorist insurance -- you'd better have that! If someone who has no insurance causes a wreck, this'll pay for your car.
- You can also opt for some smaller options -- towing insurance and rental-car (in case yours is in the shop) are smaller add-ons.

We personally have only liability. Our cars aren't new, and we could replace them without undue stress. Our liability, of course, would pay for someone else's car if we caused a wreck.
 
We are going to take SS at 62. Why?
- We will need money to live on, and we have two choices: 1) Use SS money or 2) Withdraw money from our savings /investments.
- The savings /investments can be left to our children, so it makes sense to us to maintain those savings.
Were you a public or private school teacher? Forgot in some states public school teachers can get social security.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/...ort answer: In part,also have a state pension.
 

Yeah, I think that's typical. I'm a (recently retired) teacher, and when I was in college in the 1980s I certainly never thought I'd teach online courses. In fact, I had my first college degree before I ever touched a computer.
That's why it's important to know how to learn -- the world WILL change over the course of your career.

We did the same thing. We let them know well ahead of time what we'd pay (and it was absolutely the lion's share) and what they'd be managing on their own. They weren't overwhelmed with work, but they had some responsibility and built up some work history.

We are going to take SS at 62. Why?
- We will need money to live on, and we have two choices: 1) Use SS money or 2) Withdraw money from our savings /investments.
- The savings /investments can be left to our children, so it makes sense to us to maintain those savings.

You and I aren't going to agree on that.
I'll say again, you can't get ahead while you're paying off yesterday's goods.

We're far from poor, but when our refrigerator broke we bought a floor model (at a pretty good discount). When we decided we needed a separate freezer, we bought one off Craigslist for $40 -- it's been with us now about 15 years.
We also buy most of our clothing from Goodwill or ebay.
We are thrifty and live well below our means.

I suspect the poster has only liability insurance. This is a reasonable choice, but it's important to know what you're choosing -- I'm surprised how many people don't know this stuff:
- You probably have to have liability insurance. If you cause a wreck, it'll pay for the other person's car. But not yours.
- If your car isn't paid off or if the loss of your car would be a financial crisis for you, you probably have to have collison insurance as well. This would pay for your car regardless of who caused the wreck.
- Even if your car is paid off, you might want to keep collision. Depends upon your ability to pay for a fix or replacement.
- Don't forget uninsured motorist insurance -- you'd better have that! If someone who has no insurance causes a wreck, this'll pay for your car.
- You can also opt for some smaller options -- towing insurance and rental-car (in case yours is in the shop) are smaller add-ons.

We personally have only liability. Our cars aren't new, and we could replace them without undue stress. Our liability, of course, would pay for someone else's car if we caused a wreck.
You do you but taking 3 months to pay something off and spending a few dollars in charges instead of using money that is for real emergencies, it just fine in my book. That's not really paying off yesterday's goods. Having multiple payments for years for motorcycles, jet skis, campers, and atv's is paying off yesterday's goods.
 
We're far from poor, but when our refrigerator broke we bought a floor model (at a pretty good discount). When we decided we needed a separate freezer, we bought one off Craigslist for $40 -- it's been with us now about 15 years.
We also buy most of our clothing from Goodwill or ebay.
We are thrifty and live well below our means.
This is definitely “Rich Dad” thinking, and, I believe, a smart way to live.

We’re both 60-ish now, and have been (mostly) living frugally day-to-day. Yes, we’ve had the big houses and fancy cars, but because we’d already “paid our future selves” in the form of savings and retirement funding. We’re lucky to have been able to do that, and are confident and comfortable now with our financial gains.

When I see people here who can’t wait for a tax return refund because that’s the only way they’re gong to be able to upgrade from Caribbean Beach to Poly, I wonder how they’re ever going to be able to survive in a couple of decades.
 
You do you but taking 3 months to pay something off and spending a few dollars in charges instead of using money that is for real emergencies, it just fine in my book. That's not really paying off yesterday's goods. Having multiple payments for years for motorcycles, jet skis, campers, and atv's is paying off yesterday's goods.
You’re paying somewhere in the neighborhood of 18-30% in credit card interest while only earning 4% in a HYSA. If you’re certain that you can pay it off in 3 months, use the funds and pay yourself back. It costs you less money. That is how you build wealth, making every dollar work the hardest.

Sure it’s only 3 months, but that’s assuming this is the only time you do this. If “it’s only 3 months of interest” is a justification that you regularly use, then it’s no longer just 3 months. Honestly, you’re trying to justify that credit card debt is ok. I’m not sure anyone anywhere is going to tell you that paying credit card interest is in your best interest.

Because math.
 
You and I aren't going to agree on that.
I'll say again, you can't get ahead while you're paying off yesterday's goods.
i largly agree but i will use a credit card for both convenience and to save a bit. example-in may we had 2 unexpected repairs (plumber/garage door spring). i purposely put them on one of the credit cards that will earn a couple percent in cashback rewards (so about $40). so long as i pay them in full (which i will do) by the time the first payment is due in early july (closing dates on statements are in early june) i'm out no fees or interest. same as pulling from our liquid emergency fund but i can offset what we are pulling by the $40 in rewards.

otherwise-i don't care to carry any kind of credit card balance.
- Don't forget uninsured motorist insurance -- you'd better have that!
underinsured as well
- You can also opt for some smaller options -- towing insurance and rental-car (in case yours is in the shop) are smaller add-ons.

if a household has multiple cars i can understand not opting for rental car insurance but if traveling it's a great idea to do an add-on to your policy. we used to set a calendar control to add rental car coverage a couple of weeks before we traveled and then would call and cancel it upon return. very inexpensive.
 
example-in may we had 2 unexpected repairs (plumber/garage door spring). i purposely put them on one of the credit cards that will earn a couple percent in cashback rewards (so about $40). so long as i pay them in full (which i will do) by the time the first payment is due in early july (closing dates on statements are in early june) i'm out no fees or interest. same as pulling from our liquid emergency fund but i can offset what we are pulling by the $40 in rewards.
What you describe isn't "carrying a balance." I charge everything I can, and have millions of frequent flyer miles/points across any number of travel programs, mostly from purchases and especially through promotions. I didn't pay interest on any of those charges.
 
You’re paying somewhere in the neighborhood of 18-30% in credit card interest while only earning 4% in a HYSA. If you’re certain that you can pay it off in 3 months, use the funds and pay yourself back. It costs you less money. That is how you build wealth, making every dollar work the hardest.

Sure it’s only 3 months, but that’s assuming this is the only time you do this. If “it’s only 3 months of interest” is a justification that you regularly use, then it’s no longer just 3 months. Honestly, you’re trying to justify that credit card debt is ok. I’m not sure anyone anywhere is going to tell you that paying credit card interest is in your best interest.

Because math.
No thanks. I will do it my way as it works for me. I only touch my emergency fund for emergencies. If you would have read all my posts, you would have seen that i said credit card balances need to be minimal and not a lot of monthly payments for things such as motorcycles, jet skis, boats, campers, and such. It is true about 18 -30% but that is "yearly". That is not what we are talking about here by a long shot. We are talking a few dollars a month and I think I can afford that. I'm not trying to justify anything to you, there is no need to do that. We can agree to disagree but I'd bet lot of people would love to have my level of credit card debt (I think there is one fill up of gas on one card and zero on the other) and my credit score.
 
What you describe isn't "carrying a balance." I charge everything I can, and have millions of frequent flyer miles/points across any number of travel programs, mostly from purchases and especially through promotions. I didn't pay interest on any of those charges.

you are correct. i've been fortunate to not have needed to carry a balance on any credit card in over a decade but i would'nt hesitate to do so if i had an extreeme emergency expense that had to be paid immediatly and eclipsed our liquid emergency fund and the amount in a given month we have earmarked to save. at best i could avail myself of one of my existing credit cards constant offers of zero percent interest for upwards of 18 months on a new purchase, at worst i use the one i have with the lowest annual interest rate (11.99% apr). in either case i could wait out the closest cd to mature and avoid a 6 month interest penalty loss (plus the loss of the interest i would have earned on it).
 
Maybe it depends how “tight” you budget? At any given time I keep a few thousand extra in a high interest savings account as a cushion that I can transfer from as expenses fluctuate. Therefore I never need to carry a balance on a credit card. Our actual emergency account is in a whole separate institution.
 
Were you a public or private school teacher? Forgot in some states public school teachers can get social security.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/investing/no-social-security-retirement-savings-teachers#:~:text=The short answer: In part,also have a state pension.
Public school. Yes, I'm in a state in which teachers pay into SS ... thus we can collect our teacher pension + SS.
The teachers who really get screwed are the ones who move from a no-SS state to an SS state. Something no one ever tells you in college is that teacher retirement is really based upon staying in the same state for your whole career.
You do you but taking 3 months to pay something off and spending a few dollars in charges instead of using money that is for real emergencies, it just fine in my book. That's not really paying off yesterday's goods. Having multiple payments for years for motorcycles, jet skis, campers, and atv's is paying off yesterday's goods.
Are you looking at just how much credit cards demand for interest? It's not "a few dollars".
Assuming you didn't just start your emergency fund yesterday, it's smarter to use your emergency funds to pay for this hypothetical refrigerator (or other necessity) ... and then "pay yourself back" by beefing up the emergency fund over the next couple months.
What are the chances that you'll have another emergency within the next few months?
 
Public school. Yes, I'm in a state in which teachers pay into SS ... thus we can collect our teacher pension + SS.
The teachers who really get screwed are the ones who move from a no-SS state to an SS state. Something no one ever tells you in college is that teacher retirement is really based upon staying in the same state for your whole career.
I am familiar with that. My neighbor is a retired teacher who moved from a non-ss state to California, another non-ss state. Her old district paid no retirement benefits unless you worked there for 30 years, so she lost that. She put in 16 years in California and gets retirement benefits of $2,600 from CalSTRS (state teacher's retirement fund). We retired at the same time, and I had a private pension that would have paid me $26 a month (yes, Twenty Six Dollars) for 16 years work. Benefits don't start stepping up until you have worked for the company for 20 years, and after 30 years I would have been eligible for $1,600 a month. So she doesn't complain to me anymore about how poor her retirement is!!!
 
Public school. Yes, I'm in a state in which teachers pay into SS ... thus we can collect our teacher pension + SS.
The teachers who really get screwed are the ones who move from a no-SS state to an SS state. Something no one ever tells you in college is that teacher retirement is really based upon staying in the same state for your whole career.

Are you looking at just how much credit cards demand for interest? It's not "a few dollars".
Assuming you didn't just start your emergency fund yesterday, it's smarter to use your emergency funds to pay for this hypothetical refrigerator (or other necessity) ... and then "pay yourself back" by beefing up the emergency fund over the next couple months.
What are the chances that you'll have another emergency within the next few months?
It is in fact just a few dollars. It doesn't really matter what the interest rate is because 95%of the time my balance is zero. Paying something off in 3 months is no biggie. Again, just a few dollars. I know you feel the need to be right so you do you. My way works for me a few dollars doesn't hurt me.
 
It is in fact just a few dollars. It doesn't really matter what the interest rate is because 95%of the time my balance is zero. Paying something off in 3 months is no biggie. Again, just a few dollars. I know you feel the need to be right so you do you. My way works for me a few dollars doesn't hurt me.
100%, you do you. If the few extra bucks don't bother you, who am I to say you should be bothered? I will say, though, that credit card interest rates are skyrocketing. I had (emphasis on HAD!) an HSN card. I got it because they had a "$60 off your first purchase" deal. I only used it for HSN purchases, and always paid it off, so the balance was never an issue. Yesterday, I got a letter from them--the interest rate is now 34.99% (yikes!), and they're starting to charge $1.99 a month for paper statements. The late fee is $41, and paying late can bump you to 39.9% interest. I called and cancelled the card--I don't want to even risk the interest and penalties. I also like a paper statement, but I'm not willing to pay extra for it. It made me feel bad for people who carry balances and/or don't read their mail (it was a separate letter from my statement).
 
100%, you do you. If the few extra bucks don't bother you, who am I to say you should be bothered? I will say, though, that credit card interest rates are skyrocketing. I had (emphasis on HAD!) an HSN card. I got it because they had a "$60 off your first purchase" deal. I only used it for HSN purchases, and always paid it off, so the balance was never an issue. Yesterday, I got a letter from them--the interest rate is now 34.99% (yikes!), and they're starting to charge $1.99 a month for paper statements. The late fee is $41, and paying late can bump you to 39.9% interest. I called and cancelled the card--I don't want to even risk the interest and penalties. I also like a paper statement, but I'm not willing to pay extra for it. It made me feel bad for people who carry balances and/or don't read their mail (it was a separate letter from my statement).

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this is NUTS! we've got multiple credit unions that offer members as low as 7.25% visa cards (unsecured/no annual fee) with the average rate running between 10 and 14%.
 
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this is NUTS! we've got multiple credit unions that offer members as low as 7.25% visa cards (unsecured/no annual fee) with the average rate running between 10 and 14%.
Nuts is right! I normally don't look too closely at the interest rates because I pay my cards off each month. But--I have a tough time believing that's legal. I thought they could only top off to 25%. I pick cards by the perks--I use Wells Fargo Active cash (2% back on everything), while DH has a Capital One. My boys are authorized users on my regular credit card, while DD21 is on my Target (she shops there frequently, the 5% off and Target cash back are handy for her).
 
I have no idea what I'm paying on my 2 credit cards. But I know I'm paying 26.8% on my car. I've been paying on the car for a year and a half and have paid nothing on the balance. It's all been on the interest.


Nuts is right! I normally don't look too closely at the interest rates because I pay my cards off each month. But--I have a tough time believing that's legal. I thought they could only top off to 25%. I pick cards by the perks--I use Wells Fargo Active cash (2% back on everything), while DH has a Capital One. My boys are authorized users on my regular credit card, while DD21 is on my Target (she shops there frequently, the 5% off and Target cash back are handy for her).
 
100%, you do you. If the few extra bucks don't bother you, who am I to say you should be bothered? I will say, though, that credit card interest rates are skyrocketing. I had (emphasis on HAD!) an HSN card. I got it because they had a "$60 off your first purchase" deal. I only used it for HSN purchases, and always paid it off, so the balance was never an issue. Yesterday, I got a letter from them--the interest rate is now 34.99% (yikes!), and they're starting to charge $1.99 a month for paper statements. The late fee is $41, and paying late can bump you to 39.9% interest. I called and cancelled the card--I don't want to even risk the interest and penalties. I also like a paper statement, but I'm not willing to pay extra for it. It made me feel bad for people who carry balances and/or don't read their mail (it was a separate letter from my statement).
None of that applies to me other than the few dollars I paid. Almost never do I have a carry a balance resulting in finance charges, never am I late, and I always choose paperless whenever I can.
 












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