What do you think about an Annual Pass that is only valid when Staying on Property?

[Chuck S]

Depends what the cost is compared to one that doesn't have that restriction.
At the right price, as a DVC member, I would be interested.

The problem with that is, unlike the old style paper tickets, the non-expiring tickets have to remain active in MDE and other electronic systems. Prior to everything going electronic, and FP+ you simply presented your paper ticket to get into the park.

 

[Nabas]

Lots of good points and given that the Gold AP is only $719 plus tax, which can be used all but about 25 days, not sure there would be a price that would make it make sense.

"Only $719 plus tax."

It's funny how desensitized we get to price increases.

It wasn't that long ago that the idea of paying $719 for a Gold AP would have been considered outrageous.

 

[Sandisw]

"Only $719 plus tax."

It's funny how desensitized we get to price increases.

It wasn't that long ago that the idea of paying $719 for a Gold AP would have been considered outrageous.

I guess I don’t think that is bad considering I paid around $400 in 1996!

For the number of days I think it’s great!!

 

[dismedvc]

I think the main thing holding back any tickets tied to a room stay is the fluidity of booking and cancelations AND that tickets are required to be added through MDE if you want to book park entrance days or in the future FP+. The DVC Reservation would need to be linked into MDE, tickets would then immediately be issued by WDW Ticketing. Then consider how many people walk a reservation, or at some point change or cancel the reservation...let alone rent out the reservation. Lots of programming or manual verification for ticketing personnel, and not really worth it, considering the alternative of an AP when they become available again. There's really nothing there for Disney to justify that type of investment of time or IP funding.

I was suggesting an annual pass that is only good for park admission when staying on site, not a length of stay pass for each visit. I do not think it would take much, if any, IT programing. Your admission media (magic band etc.) would be scanned at entry, and just like the old morning EMH if you are not staying on site you are not allowed to enter.

 

[Bjaiken77]

"Only $719 plus tax."

It's funny how desensitized we get to price increases.

It wasn't that long ago that the idea of paying $719 for a Gold AP would have been considered outrageous.

Yeah, it’s a good chunk of money, but still an important perk to me when you compare the alternative. While DVC resorts are nice, I’m there mostly for the parks. And since we’ll spend at least two weeks/year at WDW, I don’t want to agonize over daily park admission and determine if we are going to get our value out of it. It doesn’t take long to reach the break even point for a park hopper daily admission pass, so I’d rather just pay the AP amount and forget about it.

Also, with an AP, I can see us doing things like just going over in the evening for fireworks and coming back. That’s something I could never do if I had to justify a daily park admission.

 

[bwvBound]

I really did love the ticket deal they released this year, I hope something along that line continues.

But this was only for WDW. Granted, DLR was closed ... but there are never 'ticket deals' offered for DLR for DVC. Our best offers tend to surface through Costco or AAA.

 

[Chuck S]

I was suggesting an annual pass that is only good for park admission when staying on site, not a length of stay pass for each visit. I do not think it would take much, if any, IT programing. Your admission media (magic band etc.) would be scanned at entry, and just like the old morning EMH if you are not staying on site you are not allowed to enter.

It would require adding checking not only the pass type, but whether or not you have an onsite reservation in the system when you tap into a park. Remember what Scotty said in Star Trek, "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." A new ticket type would need to be created, unlike EMH, iy would require not only checking that the pass is valid, and then checking if the guest is onsite, but it would need to be integrated to check pass validity based on the requirement being an onsite guest...an new function. Think of the program as an "if/then" in this way. Currently, passes are checked to see if the are valid, if so, then then onsite guest is checked for EMH based upon time of day. This would require a change in programming to either checking onsite guest status first, then the ticket media, or checking the ticket, then onsite status, then validating the ticket based on the onsite status.

And again, what's in it for Disney to justify the programming changes? And then expecting a cheaper price? Especially when you consider the existing APs are basically the same thing.

 

[dismedvc]

It would require adding checking not only the pass type, but whether or not you have an onsite reservation in the system when you tap into a park.

I thought the EMH verification was more automated. When you scanned your magic band, the system knew you had a valid admission ticket and were staying on site. If it is as complicated as you have indicated, it will never happen.
I would be perfectly happy with the previously offered annual passes, so I hope they come back soon.

 

[RoseGold]

I think you might really be on to something. The AP holders who they make no money on are the ones who stay at the Airbnb and bring a sandwich. The hotel revenue is big, and that would be a good way to force on Disney stays. Without fast passes or EMH, maybe this kind of ticket makes sense.

I had thought heavy blackouts, or even weekdays only, but this makes even more sense.

heck, I’d love a 10 day punchcard while staying on property.

 

[bwvBound]

I think you might really be on to something. The AP holders who they make no money on are the ones who stay at the Airbnb and bring a sandwich. The hotel revenue is big, and that would be a good way to force on Disney stays. Without fast passes or EMH, maybe this kind of ticket makes sense.

I had thought heavy blackouts, or even weekdays only, but this makes even more sense.

heck, I’d love a 10 day punchcard while staying on property.

I'm thinking Disneyland's AP community plays into the equations and re-thinking. Think: Plenty of locals who can often simply "walk" onto the property. No hotel revenue, no parking fee, etc.

Disclosure: I'm a Legacy Disneyland AP member. I'm "part of the locals-problem" to some extent. That said, I'm also DVC, DCL CC Gold, D23 Charter Gold, Disney+, etc. We spend a fair chunk of change across the Disney products!

 

[Chuck S]

I'm thinking Disneyland's AP community plays into the equations and re-thinking. Think: Plenty of locals who can often simply "walk" onto the property. No hotel revenue, no parking fee, etc.

Disclosure: I'm a Legacy Disneyland AP member. I'm "part of the locals-problem" to some extent. That said, I'm also DVC, DCL CC Gold, D23 Charter Gold, Disney+, etc. We spend a fair chunk of change across the Disney products!

It is likely even more than that. Many parents were buying APs for their kids, basically using DL as a babysitting service during the summer. Hence the rule a few years ago for DL and WDW requiring anyone under the age of 14 to be accompanied by a person over 14.

 

[dismedvc]

Used the contact us email link on the member website to ask them to consider if/when Annual passes return to consider offering an annual pass that would only be valid for park admission when staying on property, and asked them to forward that suggestion to the appropriate department at Disney. Below is the email response I received.
It sure is a different world than I grew up in.

"This will acknowledge, with thanks, your email to our Company regarding your ideas, which you have indicated might be of interest to Disney. Your communication was forwarded to the Legal Department here at the WALT DISNEY WORLD® Resort as it is our responsibility to respond to such correspondence. We appreciate your interest in Disney and taking the time to write to us.

Unfortunately, our Company’s long-established policy does not allow us to accept for review or consideration any ideas, suggestions, or creative materials not specifically solicited by us. Our intention is to avoid misunderstandings when projects or programs are created internally which might be similar to submissions made to us from outside our Company.

We recognize that this policy is sometimes a difficult one as when someone like you, with all the best intentions, would simply like us to consider their own creative idea. Experience has taught us, though, that if we abandon our policy for one person, we will soon have no policy at all. Therefore, as required, we must delete your correspondence, without retaining any copies.

We hope that you understand. Please be assured of our sincere thanks and of our best wishes for you and your family.

Sincerely,

Scott Mousseau
Senior Paralegal
Legal Department, Walt Disney World Resort"

 

[gharter]

Used the contact us email link on the member website to ask them to consider if/when Annual passes return to consider offering an annual pass that would only be valid for park admission when staying on property, and asked them to forward that suggestion to the appropriate department at Disney. Below is the email response I received.
It sure is a different world than I grew up in.

"This will acknowledge, with thanks, your email to our Company regarding your ideas, which you have indicated might be of interest to Disney. Your communication was forwarded to the Legal Department here at the WALT DISNEY WORLD® Resort as it is our responsibility to respond to such correspondence. We appreciate your interest in Disney and taking the time to write to us.

Unfortunately, our Company’s long-established policy does not allow us to accept for review or consideration any ideas, suggestions, or creative materials not specifically solicited by us. Our intention is to avoid misunderstandings when projects or programs are created internally which might be similar to submissions made to us from outside our Company.

We recognize that this policy is sometimes a difficult one as when someone like you, with all the best intentions, would simply like us to consider their own creative idea. Experience has taught us, though, that if we abandon our policy for one person, we will soon have no policy at all. Therefore, as required, we must delete your correspondence, without retaining any copies.

We hope that you understand. Please be assured of our sincere thanks and of our best wishes for you and your family.

Sincerely,

Scott Mousseau
Senior Paralegal
Legal Department, Walt Disney World Resort"

Not surprising. Disney has had too many lawsuits files by people who claim Disney stole their ideas.
This is their way of saying, if they ever come out with something similar to what somebody submitted, it was Disneys idea first.

 

[IceSkatingPrincess]

It would work fine for us, but I know many people who that would never work for.

I hope this isn't the direction APs go.

 

[jodifla]

I used to buy the 3 season salutes for Florida residents in the '80s. They were $69 and you got to go as much as you wanted in May, September and January.

 

[Chuck S]

I used to buy the 3 season salutes for Florida residents in the '80s. They were $69 and you got to go as much as you wanted in May, September and January.

Great for Florida Residents, but just imagine trying to get reservations in those months for DVC if they came out with that. There would be huge, and unpopular, point chart changes.

 

[achinforsomebacon]

Not surprising. Disney has had too many lawsuits files by people who claim Disney stole their ideas.
This is their way of saying, if they ever come out with something similar to what somebody submitted, it was Disneys idea first.

I guess but is it really accomplishing anything? The sender has their original email that was sent to Disney along with Disney's response saying they received it and also forwarded it to another department. I guess they can hope hope original sender doesn't retain the emails but otherwise I don't see how this really helps them from a legal standpoint.

 

[DisneyMountainWoman]

I would like it, it would be great to get benefits again for staying on property and being blue card. FL would still get their other discounted AP options.

 

[Sandisw]

I guess but is it really accomplishing anything? The sender has their original email that was sent to Disney along with Disney's response saying they received it and also forwarded it to another department. I guess they can hope hope original sender doesn't retain the emails but otherwise I don't see how this really helps them from a legal standpoint.

But it was forwarded to legal and not anybody else which is why they responded. I take that to mean the idea went no where within the company which is why they are deleting it and not retaining records.

So, it sounds like ideas are never forwarded to anyone but the lawyers which is what protects Disney.

 

[achinforsomebacon]

But it was forwarded to legal and not anybody else which is why they responded. I take that to mean the idea went no where within the company which is why they are deleting it and not retaining records.

So, it sounds like ideas are never forwarded to anyone but the lawyers which is what protects Disney.

I still think it would be difficult to prove that the person screening the email and forwarding to legal or the person in legal didn't share the idea. Yes, I'm sure they're not supposed to discuss that stuff. But if someone sent in an idea that could make Disney A LOT of money, I'd be very surprised, especially under the current management, if that idea didn't magically end up coming from someone on the inside. Disney also has much more legal power than the average person so even if they did use someone's idea, how likely is it that an individual has the resources to take on the Disney lawyers?