Well THAT"S dedication for you

[luvmy3]

Maybe they just don't want to play and are being forced by their parents. Maybe they really could care less about an opportunity to play

 

[auntie]

Maybe they just don't want to play and are being forced by their parents. Maybe they really could care less about an opportunity to play

Would seem so. Not everyone who is on a school team is there because they want to be.
I have a situation where a relative in our family is basically playing baseball because the father loves the game. The kid...not so much. Sad part is, I think the kid started out liking it, but the father is so nuts with it..(private pitching lessons from the time he was 7, practice or games everyday..even in the winter)..the poor boy has grown to hate it. The dad seems oblivious to what's right in front of him.

 

[bumbershoot]

Our DD got to play with a girl that cried the whole time though . It took them 5 hours 40 minutes to play (normally it takes about 4 1/2 hours) because of her.

Cried? Why?

I have a situation where a relative in our family is basically playing baseball because the father loves the game. The kid...not so much. Sad part is, I think the kid started out liking it, but the father is so nuts with it..(private pitching lessons from the time he was 7, practice or games everyday..even in the winter)..the poor boy has grown to hate it. The dad seems oblivious to what's right in front of him.

My dad did that to two of his sons. The third son would have LOVED to play baseball, but he was horrible at it. The youngest son was on his way to the LL world series one year (his team didn't get to it, but they were playing some of the teams who were on their way) and he QUIT, just to spite our dad.




I never played sports in HS, but I joined Crew in my soph year of college. With Crew you're one big team with separate practices. It's flat out known that if you aren't going to wake up early in the morning, you won't be Varsity. First year is spent with 3pm practices, but after that it's 6am AT the lake. They don't discourage people from joining that first year, but most people who aren't commited to it won't even stay a month, let alone wait until the early morning decision is to be made.

Anyway, the early start and late sleepers just reminded me of all of that...if you love the sport, you'll find a way to get up...I did, even though I would prefer to be falling to sleep around 2am, NOT getting up by 5am!

 

[golfgal]

Maybe they just don't want to play and are being forced by their parents. Maybe they really could care less about an opportunity to play

That is possible but even so, not all of the JV kids are out because their parents want them out. There are 36 girls from Varsity down to what they call the developmental squad. There are 6 girls that are "varsity" 12 that are JV, the rest are developmental squad (mainly learning how to play the game).

Cried? Why?



!

Because she is a big baby--I know that is harsh but it is true. It was all a big act. She told the girls before they started that she cries a lot playing . We were watching DD for a couple holes (we like to watch all the girls so we go back and forth) and this girl came up to us and asked us to find her coach because she was having problems. We said ok thinking it was a good thing. The first thing out of her coaches mouth was "is she crying"? She said she has an older sister and she was the same way.

 

[Carly_Roach]

Frankly, I don't blame them. To me it no different than being invited to a party only after some other kids couldn't make it.

That's not how I see it at all. To me it's like being given an opportunity to show your stuff because the regular team players can't be there. If this had happened in the work world, the manager who made the call would know who could be counted on and who couldn't. The three who didn't want to "get up early" for an important meeting or project would likely be three workers who will never be promoted to a higher level in that corporation. They've demonstrated that they're not willing to give 100% in a crisis situation.

Unfortunately, these kids have now given the coach a solid response (lazyness) whenever their parents complain about their kids not getting on the Varsity Team. This was the brass ring and they blew it.

 

[golfgal]

That's not how I see it at all. To me it's like being given an opportunity to show your stuff because the regular team players can't be there. If this had happened in the work world, the manager who made the call would know who could be counted on and who couldn't. The three who didn't want to "get up early" for an important meeting or project would likely be three workers who will never be promoted to a higher level in that corporation. They've demonstrated that they're not willing to give 100% in a crisis situation.

Unfortunately, these kids have now given the coach a solid response (lazyness) whenever their parents complain about their kids not getting on the Varsity Team. This was the brass ring and they blew it.

Exactly. If one of the JV kids went and fired off a good score, they could have pushed out one of the varsity kids for that spot. Those spots aren't etched in stone and you can move from varsity to JV or JV to Varsity at any time. One JV player for sure should have gone. Her mom was complaining to the coach last year that her Dd didn't make varsity--um, honey, your DD shot 70 on 9 holes for tryouts, the varsity kids are shooting 1/2 that . She improved quite a bit last year and this would have been a good opportunity for her to try varsity. There is another JV player that is on the bubble of being varsity/JV but she was getting confirmed on Saturday so she had a good excuse not to be there.

 

[mhsjax]

Frankly, I don't blame them. To me it no different than being invited to a party only after some other kids couldn't make it.

Yep

 

[TwinsinCA]

A party??? This is a sport...some kids are better than others. The better kids make varsity. The goal of the JV kids SHOULD be to improve and make varsity themselves. Getting this opportunity should be something they'd be thrilled about.

Clearly you find sports important. I don't. So for me the party analogy works.

Presumably the JV kids have their own team they have made a commitment to. I don't think they should be *expected* to drop everything to help another team that isn't theirs.(A team that they were before deemed "not good enough" to play on --unless of course, the regulars have other plans.)

If they want to? Fine. But I don't think they should be called "lazy" if they don't ask "how high" when told when to jump.

 

[golfgal]

Clearly you find sports important. I don't. So for me the party analogy works.

Presumably the JV kids have their own team they have made a commitment to. I don't think they should be *expected* to drop everything to help another team that isn't theirs.(A team that they were before deemed "not good enough" to play on --unless of course, the regulars have other plans.)

If they want to? Fine. But I don't think they should be called "lazy" if they don't ask "how high" when told when to jump.

Obviously you don't understand how teams work. They are all ONE TEAM, they just play at different levels. They made a commitment to play on THE TEAM, the level at which you play is determined by your skill level. The nice thing with golf it is it pretty easy to define skill level because your score what you score. Like I said earlier, they have just pretty much assured themselves that they won't be playing varsity, ever, and they will lose their varsity spots to kids that want them-and right now that means they will lose them to 7th and 8th graders next year.

 

[bookgirl]

Clearly you find sports important. I don't. So for me the party analogy works.

Presumably the JV kids have their own team they have made a commitment to. I don't think they should be *expected* to drop everything to help another team that isn't theirs.(A team that they were before deemed "not good enough" to play on --unless of course, the regulars have other plans.)

If they want to? Fine. But I don't think they should be called "lazy" if they don't ask "how high" when told when to jump.

Let me tell you lazy and lack of "team" mindset is what holds more kids back than ability. If you are part of a larger organization, all kids should know that you support all of the teams not just your brackett.

My nephews (age 11) play AAU/Compition Basketball. Twin 1 is a natural athelete who is outstanding not only for his age group but for any age (he already has a rep and highschools and private clubs are scouting him actively). Twin 2 is good but not a natural, however he works hard and is a good player for his age (he is also being watched but not as hard as twin 1).

They play for a local club that has A team (top players), B team (good players, but working on skills to move up), and Travel/Tournement team. Twin 1 is on A Team and Travel. Twin 2 plays B Team and goes up to A team when needed and Travel full time as second string. Why is Twin 2 on Travel Team. Because even if he plays 5 minutes on second string compitition team he plays hard and for the other minutes of the game he's on the bench cheering. He practices as hard as a A team player and when the coach needs him to fill in on A team, he's right there even if he doesn't get a lot of play time.

There is an Elite team with national sponsership in talks. Both twins along with two other A team and one other B team players have been scouted for the Elite Team. The two B players are not the best but they are team players who work hard, do what is needed and FILL IN without whineing. Coaches look for those second string kids because they need a team that is made up of top players and good support players. Those support players get the chance to improrve thier skills (kids play up to thier peers) while also being part of a team that supports ALL thier players.

Twin 2 is a better player for filling in. He is a better player skill wise and a better team player charecter wise.

 

[allison443]

Clearly you find sports important. I don't. So for me the party analogy works.

Presumably the JV kids have their own team they have made a commitment to. I don't think they should be *expected* to drop everything to help another team that isn't theirs.(A team that they were before deemed "not good enough" to play on --unless of course, the regulars have other plans.)

If they want to? Fine. But I don't think they should be called "lazy" if they don't ask "how high" when told when to jump.

If they feel that way that's fine, but in that case they shouldn't be surprised if they aren't "invited" to the varsity "party" next year.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Clearly you find sports important. I don't. So for me the party analogy works.

Presumably the JV kids have their own team they have made a commitment to. I don't think they should be *expected* to drop everything to help another team that isn't theirs.(A team that they were before deemed "not good enough" to play on --unless of course, the regulars have other plans.)

If they want to? Fine. But I don't think they should be called "lazy" if they don't ask "how high" when told when to jump.

Clearly, I understand about sports. And yes, I do feel it's important for my kids to not be lazy, and to commit to their teams...and to their schoolwork, and later to their jobs. I have NEVER seen sports as an isolated activity...there's much to be learned about commitment, managing one's time, getting along with teammates ("co-workers"), and numerous other skills which will help them later in life.

If they feel that way that's fine, but in that case they shouldn't be surprised if they aren't "invited" to the varsity "party" next year.

Exactly.

The high school Varsity soccer coach told the kids trying out that NO Freshmen (my son) would make Varsity, but that he MIGHT pull from JV during the season if he needed them. Fairly early in the season, a Sr defender was injured, so the coach pulled my son up from JV to fill in. My son played in both JV and Varsity games (and played within the interscholastic regulations) for the rest of the season (and has been on Varsity since...next year he'll be a senior). A couple of things...my son was a better defender than at least a couple of the kids on Varsity (seniors, who could not play JV). And two, had it been a forward who was injured, than it would have been a forward from JV who would have been moved up, even if that forward wasn't as good a forward as my son was a defender. But THAT'S LIFE. My son was extremely committed to both teams for that first year (and yup, he learned a thing or two about keeping up with schoolwork so he could be available), and to Varsity for the next two years. I have no doubt he'll be a captain next year. What's important to me is this...WHY he'll be captain...because he's proven his dedication and commitment and maturity.

 

[luvmy3]

If they feel that way that's fine, but in that case they shouldn't be surprised if they aren't "invited" to the varsity "party" next year.

Who is to say they would even care? I didn't see the OP saying the kids were complaining about not being in Varsity, it was the parents. I don't think it has anything to do with the girls being lazy. If they are dedicated to the team and the sport getting up early wouldn't stop them from filling in, they just don't want to play. Obviously they shouldn't be on the team but there is probably pressure from their sports nut parents. BTDT.

 

[hereyago]

Because she is a big baby--I know that is harsh but it is true. It was all a big act. She told the girls before they started that she cries a lot playing . We were watching DD for a couple holes (we like to watch all the girls so we go back and forth) and this girl came up to us and asked us to find her coach because she was having problems. We said ok thinking it was a good thing. The first thing out of her coaches mouth was "is she crying"? She said she has an older sister and she was the same way.

And no one has "accidently" clubbed a ball her way and hit her? Your DD's team is nice, in my high school back in the day, that sort of behavior from a teen wouldn't be acceptable as it would be too distracting.

 

[BuzznBelle'smom]

Exactly. If one of the JV kids went and fired off a good score, they could have pushed out one of the varsity kids for that spot. Those spots aren't etched in stone and you can move from varsity to JV or JV to Varsity at any time. One JV player for sure should have gone. Her mom was complaining to the coach last year that her Dd didn't make varsity--um, honey, your DD shot 70 on 9 holes for tryouts, the varsity kids are shooting 1/2 that . She improved quite a bit last year and this would have been a good opportunity for her to try varsity. There is another JV player that is on the bubble of being varsity/JV but she was getting confirmed on Saturday so she had a good excuse not to be there.

This is why I like cross country--it's all about your time. You can't just "look good" or kiss up to the coach--if your time qualifies you for varsity, you're on varsity. And believe me, there is at least one girl on the team that, if her mom could buy her a spot on varsity, she'd be on it, no question.

BTW, my DD grumbles all the time about having to get up early to go to meets and stuff. She still does it. The biggest issue we have right now is, she's in training for this fall--you can't just get up and run 50 miles a week. Last summer, she could slack off some, but now the coach has expectations for her. Too bad, so sad!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This is why I like cross country--it's all about your time. You can't just "look good" or kiss up to the coach--if your time qualifies you for varsity, you're on varsity. And believe me, there is at least one girl on the team that, if her mom could buy her a spot on varsity, she'd be on it, no question.

BTW, my DD grumbles all the time about having to get up early to go to meets and stuff. She still does it. The biggest issue we have right now is, she's in training for this fall--you can't just get up and run 50 miles a week. Last summer, she could slack off some, but now the coach has expectations for her. Too bad, so sad!

I can relate--on the wish boards, we all want to do the Disney Marathon....but we complain lots during training and even lots more about that wake up time on Marathon day.

But those who want to do well, suck it up and deal with it and while I have no idea what went on in the minds of the JV players--I'm sure the coaches will not forget.

 

[golfgal]

And no one has "accidently" clubbed a ball her way and hit her? Your DD's team is nice, in my high school back in the day, that sort of behavior from a teen wouldn't be acceptable as it would be too distracting.

The crier isn't on DD's team, DD just got stuck playing in the same 4some as her yesterday. She is on the tournament host team. That behavior would NOT be tolerated on DD's team. DD's team was the group in the back of the room telling each other jokes and having a blast. She has great teammates.


After a couple holes of the crier I wanted to club her over the head.

 

[FayeW]

I support your position, OP. My DD is in day three of the state HOSA conference. This is her third day of 6 AM to midnight hours. Her event was over the first day and she wanted to leave early and I told her no way - you have an obligation.

Really? You think that making your daughter stay for two extra 18 hour days deserves a ???

I think it is pathetic and more worthy of , , and .

Your daughter finished her event and fulfilled her commitment. Exactly what obligation did making her stay fulfill?

I am sure your daughter got A message, but I doubt it was the one you thought you were giving her.

 

[gina2000]

Commitment is the name of the game. Colleges don't just look at academics....they look at the student's entire experience and focus on the type of individual the student is based on the level of interest, the level of commitment, and the level of success the student achieves.

Those kids should never play varsity....any of them.

 

[auntie]

And...there it is. What "colleges" look for.
It is isn't about the kid enjoying and participating in a sport they enjoy for the fun of it. Varisy often becomes about the scholarship...which is really, bottom line about the parent, and paying for college.
My son plays high school lacrosse. Yes, he's on varsity this year. He HATED when he was called up from JV to play varsity though. Did he do it?.. Sometimes ..yes, and other times..No. It depended on what else was going on, and what other commitments he may have had. He didn't drop everything. I was okay with his decision. It's a lot of pressure, and frankly I don't expect for him to be a professional lacrosse player. He originally played because he liked the game. By the time a lot of kids get to the varsity level...the fun has all but evaporated.
I'm not saying it's that way for everyone, but some kids feel that way, and no..they don't want to drop everything because varsity called. That's certainly their prerogative and I wouldn't judge them too harshly. It is after all....a game.