Waiting to board our plane and....

[eliza61]

Why is it that those who dare question the safety of flying for someone who is deathly allergic, or who calls the last-minute ban an inconvenience, are automatically assumed to be heartless jerks who wouldn't comply? I don't think I've heard anyone say that they would go ahead and eat peanuts anyway. Did I miss a post somewhere?

I'm perfectly capable of accommodating someone while still questioning the process.

because children are such "precious" individuals that we all now must bow down and make sure that anyone with a child is in no way inconvenienced in any possible way. If you don't do it you are branded a "child" hater.

told you this stuff makes me mad, lol.

And I have kids, love kids (love mine more now that they are young adults. lol) I guess I'm seriously old fashion. I just think parents take responsibility for the health and welfare of their kids and not depend on the kindness of 250 perfect strangers.

 

[mondragon]

There is no rule but people are talking about have the common courtesy to not consume nuts because of the person with the allergy. That goes both ways; if a person knows they could have this type of reaction, it should also fall upon them to notify the airline as soon as possible so they can make the necessary accommodations.

Who says they didn't notify the airlines. OP doesn't know. Airlines may have just dropped the ball.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I think most people on this thread are saying they would not consume peanuts on the plane.

Yes some good folks are.

But what about the man with his earphones in that didn't hear the announcement?

All my flight attendants go down the plane to check

What about the woman who has no understanding of English?

There are other ways to communicate

What about the person that just doesn't give a crap about your child (sadly, yes, there are people out there like this).

JUST MY PIONT

How would you ever be able to get everyone to accommodate you or your child's allergy? It's not possible and not worth the risk, IMO.

Not the best system, but all the more reason to help another person out.


IT is the way I like to lead my life, I cannot control everyone and don't want to, but I would like to see everyone help each other. Severe or life threatening ........ok......each person would have to judge the risk to their child against the good will of other people. Me and my family..we'd be happy to help the child and not complain about it or look to have a snack paid for or worry abut what is really a minor enconvence. Karma and all that.

However maybe I am just expecting to much of other peoples good will.

AKK

 

[sam_gordon]

IT is the way I like to lead my life, I cannot control everyone and don't want to, but I would like to see everyone help each other.

The bolded is the key though. People seem to be insisting they CAN control everyone (or should be able to).

Who says they didn't notify the airlines. OP doesn't know. Airlines may have just dropped the ball.

True. Or the parents might have. Regardless, if the danger to your child is that severe, why do you RELY on 150+ strangers to "do the right thing"? Is that realistic?

 

[eliza61]

Who says they didn't notify the airlines. OP doesn't know. Airlines may have just dropped the ball.

but here's the thing and this is just me thinking as a mom,

If my kid were so severely allergic to any thing, flying would be out simply for that reason. You are absolutely right, you don't know if the airline is going to drop the ball or not, so now you are going to trust your kids LIFE on it?

We're not talking about a medical facility where they can control a lot of variables, we're talking about an industry where most folks consider it luck if they get stuff RIGHT. LOL. airlines drop the ball all the time, most people who have any experience whatsoever flying know this.

what if the person notified got sick and called out
what if a person makes the gate just before it closes and doesn't hear the announcement.
what if a passenger simply isn't paying attention. heck, I rarely listen to those safety announcements anymore..99.9% of the time, I've got headphones on and music playing.
on and on and on.
What if there is someone who speaks no english
heck, what about you get a bunch of seniors going on their hs senior trip and one of them just decides to be a smart alex?

I would be so absolutely bat crazy if I was a parent of a super sensitive kid like that, that no way would I even consider flying.

 

[asta]

because children are such "precious" individuals that we all now must bow down and make sure that anyone with a child is in no way inconvenienced in any possible way. If you don't do it you are branded a "child" hater.

told you this stuff makes me mad, lol.

And I have kids, love kids (love mine more now that they are young adults. lol) I guess I'm seriously old fashion. I just think parents take responsibility for the health and welfare of their kids and not depend on the kindness of 250 perfect strangers.

A little off topic but I agree. I have two young adult children that I love more than anything. I don't understand the attitude that a lot of parents have about their children getting special treatment just because they are children. The whole idea that any child capable of standing would take a seat before an adult is beyond me.

Sorry to go off topic. This has nothing to do with peanuts.

 

[undertheradar]

For all of us "heartless souls," why don't those of you who believe that everyone should refrain from snacks that may contain tree nuts in them, post a list of perhaps the 50 most popular snacks that can possibly contain any form of tree nut exposure. When our youngest was in preschool, the list of banned snacks was ridiculous. There were nut, dairy, grain, egg and gluten allergies in the class. Yet, each family was assigned days to provide the class snack. It was crazy how many foods are manufactured in facilities that may contain tree nut products.

 

[morgan98]

Not the best system, but all the more reason to help another person out.


IT is the way I like to lead my life, I cannot control everyone and don't want to, but I would like to see everyone help each other. Severe or life threatening ........ok......each person would have to judge the risk to their child against the good will of other people. Me and my family..we'd be happy to help the child and not complain about it or look to have a snack paid for or worry abut what is really a minor enconvence. Karma and all that.

AKK

This is a good sentiment and I am not trying to be argumentative. And I said before, I would comply with the request.

However, the other side of this is that requests like this didn't exist even just a few years ago, now more and more requests are being made. I just think that before we start dictating what the majority people can eat in what is otherwise a communal "public" space, it seems reasonable to know whether the request even makes sense and will accomplish what is intended.

I am all about personal responsibility. I for one too always try to do the right thing. What I am not in favor of is others trying to put limitations on me for their own personal purposes. I understand this is a health related request, but sort of like the people on another thread that want neighbors to monitor their social schedules and not mow during their outdoor parties, while they are BBQ'ing, while their kid is napping, etc. I want fewer rules and regulations and guidelines, not more.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

No the bolded is not the key Sam, the whole sentence is my point...the bolded by itself changes it all.

***IT is the way I like to lead my life, I cannot control everyone and don't want to, but I would like to see everyone help each other.***

AKK

 

[Ceila]

For all of us "heartless souls," why don't those of you who believe that everyone should refrain from snacks that may contain tree nuts in them, post a list of perhaps the 50 most popular snacks that can possibly contain any form of tree nut exposure. When our youngest was in preschool, the list of banned snacks was ridiculous. There were nut, dairy, grain, egg and gluten allergies in the class. Yet, each family was assigned days to provide the class snack. It was crazy how many foods are manufactured in facilities that may contain tree nut products.

That is exactly what we dealt with when my son was in kindergarten. I think I sent in carrot sticks every time, along with most other parents. Trying to find finger food that was allergy-safe for kids that little was nerve-wracking.

 

[NHdisneylover]

And how should this announcement be made. What the op does not mention is if the family did notify the airline earlier but the airline did nothing about it. The family could have just been reminding the employees at the gate. You are just hearing one side of the story. There are currently no regulations to protect those with allergies.

I can'T speak for others--but I said all along that I wish the airlines would make it a policy that people must notify ahead of time and then the airlines would send out the information---as of now I do not know of any airline that would prenotify passengers even if the families did, thus at this time I really cannot blame the families for these last minute request. There were many on this thread though, when the idea was floated of how it SHOULD be are arguing why it shouldn't or couldn't work to require pre notification---that is what I disagree with.

 

[Dawnlight]

I can'T speak for others--but I said all along that I wish the airlines would make it a policy that people must notify ahead of time and then the airlines would send out the information---as of now I do not know of any airline that would prenotify passengers even if the families did, thus at this time I really cannot blame the families for these last minute request. There were many on this thread though, when the idea was floated of how it SHOULD be are arguing why it shouldn't or couldn't work to require pre notification---that is what I disagree with.

Yes, I get the feeling that some feel they shouldn't have to jump through any hoops (such as prior notice to airline), but they have no problem expecting entire planeloads of people to jump through them (altering food choices). So strange.

 

[bcla]

For all of us "heartless souls," why don't those of you who believe that everyone should refrain from snacks that may contain tree nuts in them, post a list of perhaps the 50 most popular snacks that can possibly contain any form of tree nut exposure. When our youngest was in preschool, the list of banned snacks was ridiculous. There were nut, dairy, grain, egg and gluten allergies in the class. Yet, each family was assigned days to provide the class snack. It was crazy how many foods are manufactured in facilities that may contain tree nut products.

That's generally not going to be the issue that something was made on a production line with tree nuts. We gave our kid pretzels, and many are made on production lines with peanut butter stuffed pretzels. Certainly an allergic kid isn't going to want to consume it, but the kids are generally well aware that they shouldn't eat another kid's snacks. However, actual nut-containing foods will shed enough nut dust to trigger a reaction, like the case on Ryanair.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

This is a good sentiment and I am not trying to be argumentative. And I said before, I would comply with the request.

However, the other side of this is that requests like this didn't exist even just a few years ago, now more and more requests are being made. I just think that before we start dictating what the majority people can eat in what is otherwise a communal "public" space, it seems reasonable to know whether the request even makes sense and will accomplish what is intended.

I am all about personal responsibility. I for one too always try to do the right thing. What I am not in favor of is others trying to put limitations on me for their own personal purposes. I understand this is a health related request, but sort of like the people on another thread that want neighbors to monitor their social schedules and not mow during their outdoor parties, while they are BBQ'ing, while their kid is napping, etc. I want fewer rules and regulations and guidelines, not more.

I am not trying to argue with anyone either and you have some points there. I am right with you in fewer laws, giudelines and regs.............and that would work if people were more wiling to work together and help each other.


AKK

 

[FigmentFinder]

Strawberry? Apple Butter? Orange Marmalade?

Maybe apple butter if there is no cinnamon in it

 

[daughtersrus]

Why is it that those who dare question the safety of flying for someone who is deathly allergic, or who calls the last-minute ban an inconvenience, are automatically assumed to be heartless jerks who wouldn't comply? I don't think I've heard anyone say that they would go ahead and eat peanuts anyway. Did I miss a post somewhere?

I'm perfectly capable of accommodating someone while still questioning the process.

I haven't read all of the post but post #3 said that they would eat peanuts anyway.

This is my big thing. I tend to bring food for alot of my flights because they may be long and have tight connections so it can be 7-8 hours where I don't have a chance for a real meal. If what I happened to bring that day had peanuts (alot of granola bars do) and I don't have other food I'm going to eat it. I'm not going hungry for hours. Unfortunately when looking at food that doesn't need any kind of refrigeration or ice but can be eatten easily on the go, nuts is one of the best choices.

 

[fly girl]

Peanut butter is one of the recommended foods to relieve a high blood sugar episode. OJ would probably be ill-advised, as it's on the low blood sugar list.

Ok, then a Coke!

 

[declansdad]

Who says they didn't notify the airlines. OP doesn't know. Airlines may have just dropped the ball.

Maybe they did but that's not my point. Lots of posters seem to be talking about all the other passengers should be courteous and refrain from eating nuts but few have said the opposite.

 

[maxiesmom]

I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do, but I gotta say that if me or a member of my family were so allergic to nuts that they might die from exposure, an airplane is the last place I'd be. To do otherwise seems like quite the gamble on EVERYTHING going exactly as needed.

Would you then keep your child locked up at home? That is the only way to be sure of a peanut free environment.

 

[Colleen27]

I think it would be much more reasonable to notify passengers 24 hours in advance, or at the very least at the time of check-in, so they can make other arrangements for in-flight snacks. I would gladly buy peanut free snacks if I got a pop-up alert about an allergic passenger when I log in to print my boarding passes, but it becomes a more difficult thing when we're already in the airport with our snack bag ready to go. There isn't always a suitable replacement available at the crappy airport food service locations (we fly from a fairly small airport; sometimes when we have an early or late departure the little shop isn't even open) and some families may not be willing/able to pay in-airport prices for peanut-free snacks to replace what they've brought.

However, I'm with others who have said that if it was my child with the allergy I wouldn't be comfortable flying. Even if everyone on our flight heeded the notice and complied, who knows what kind of residue might be left over from earlier flyers. It isn't as though planes are cleaned thoroughly between departures. And there is always the potential that someone didn't hear the announcement or chose to disregard it.