VDH Opening

[BWV Dreamin]

I like investments that pay dividends.

Are you saying I can’t count the money I’m going to save on future travel as a “dividend”?

Does not having to battle with family members about how Dad is too cheap to stay on property every year count as a “reduced stress dividend”

If my wife is happier on vacations, could that be considered a “marriage dividend”?

Sounds like a dividend paying investment to me! LOL

 

[DonMacGregor]

I’m at the airport and headed down to DLand today. I’m going to stop by the VGC office to see if they have the magic band sliders and will see if so can get some info.

We drove over and had lunch at Craftsman the other day and they had them. They were in the top drawer of the desk right at the door. Max 2 per customer.

 

[RoseGold]

The only way I see a total devaluation is for the contract life to end, or the total collapse of Disney.

This is what I thought when I bought, but now I see a lot more risk, and it's coming from inside the house.

There are a few more paths I can imagine, like saturation. Direct becoming a motivated seller and knocking down the price could devalue points, like VGF2 did to VGF1. Right now, DVC isn't selling enough points to cover what it is introducing into the system, and that's before VDH and Poly2. DVC is holding a lot of bags and still building. And it keeps inflating the charts, which makes points worth less and less in the overall system.

Another path would be hostility to renting points. A whole lot of DVC is controlled by professionals. If Disney starts messing with them, they are going to have to sell, which would move the market. I don't think they will do that, as Disney would rather have families from Denver than timeshare cheap-os, and DVC doesn't care if someone is paying the dues. But who knows?

And then there's the park decisions... So much uncertainty here. Who knows what wild choices the parks could make in the future. They could be good for families from Denver, but not for DVC.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

This is what I thought when I bought, but now I see a lot more risk, and it's coming from inside the house.

There are a few more paths I can imagine, like saturation. Direct becoming a motivated seller and knocking down the price could devalue points, like VGF2 did to VGF1. Right now, DVC isn't selling enough points to cover what it is introducing into the system, and that's before VDH and Poly2. DVC is holding a lot of bags and still building.

Another path would be hostility to renting points. A whole lot of DVC is controlled by professionals. If Disney starts messing with them, they are going to have to sell, which would move the market. I don't think they will do that, as Disney would rather have families from Denver than timeshare cheap-os, and DVC doesn't care if someone is paying the dues. But who knows?

And then there's the park decisions... So much uncertainty here. Who knows what wild choices the parks could make in the future. They could be good for families from Denver, but not for DVC.

I do agree that DVC is saturated at WDW. Not so in CA, which is why purchasing VDH maybe the only DVC left for the foreseeable future that actually increases in price from time of opening.

 

[Ruttangel]

What a beautiful, dare I say seductive set of alluring photos.
I’ll never get to California but these make you think twice.

Well done DVD!

 

[ClaraOswald]

VDH is probably going to be the exception to this because of it being at DL. I do agree that your statement is most likely going to be true for direct purchases going forward at WDW.

Yeah, I think there's just no way the DLR area would ever be oversaturated with DVC options so I can see VDH being a possible "investment" though that's obviously never the #1 reason to buy in. I think of people who bought in on VGC when it was new and I'm jealous!

I’m at the airport and headed down to DLand today. I’m going to stop by the VGC office to see if they have the magic band sliders and will see if so can get some info.

I'm so jealous!

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

What a beautiful, dare I say seductive set of alluring photos.
I’ll never get to California but these make you think twice.

Well done DVD!

Why not? There are direct flights from MCO to LAX and even SNA (15 min from DL), you could tack on a stay at DLR to a trip to WDW!

 

[Bucketfoot]

Go in expecting to get nothing back on initial price and it’s a bonus later on if you do!

Exactly, the fact that there could be resale value down the road is just a bonus.

Everyone can calculate their ROI however they want (for me I have it at 10 years for my direct VGF and 3 years for my resale AKV) but frankly that wasn't something I calculated until after I had bought.

We know we will continue to do both DL and WDW trips (thus why we will buy at VDH), we know we want a kitchen, we know that in almost all cases we will want a 2-bedroom and we know that our girls will continue to benefit from and enjoy it after we are gone.

Our only regret is that we didn't buy VGC direct back when we had the chance. We would have needed to finance (something we wouldn't dream of doing today) and it would have been a stretch, but as always hindsight is 20/20!

 

[CaliforniaGirl09]

You people keep ignoring the TOILET PAPER!.

I assure you--I never forget the toilet paper. We are headed to BLT for Princess tomorrow and I have a roll of Charmin in my bag.

We own at BLT and have two contracts at VGC--one direct the first year it went on sale. We bought the other contracts a handful of years later. I think we are still in the green on all of them, but BLT might be close--I have to look and see what we paid per point. I've never viewed them as investments, but it's nice to know they have some value. I'm intrigued by VDH and could be interested in a fixed RunDisney week if they offer it. We'll see. I'd thought about dumping BLT, but I will probably hold on to for a while longer. We get 1 bedrooms for our family of four and when i price out the cash rooms, it's an easy decision to keep paying dues on my contract, LOL.

 

[nalabear]

DVC is the rare timeshare product where it can actually be considered as a viable investment because the disney bubble hotels are THAT expensive. The whole economic system fails if the allure of the Disney bubble bursts and hotel prices collapse.

For those who lament the price chart creep with new resorts, that's why home resorts are important to have. the exchange is a nice bonus to have but not essential and surely isn't promised to be static with new activations. Much like the bonuses of Annual Pass discounts and other perks -- they are that -- perks and salient.

DVC is a timeshare. It's a consumption product that happens to hold a value to renting opportunities for some business models at this time.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Our only regret is that we didn't buy VGC direct back when we had the chance. We would have needed to finance (something we wouldn't dream of doing today) and it would have been a stretch, but as always hindsight is 20/20!

Do you think VDH will see similar in value as VGC 10 years from now? I showed my wife the new pictures of VDH and she says Meh. Why would we buy that when we have VGC she says. I said because it could be worth $500pp 10 years from now! She doesn’t buy it.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

Do you think VDH will see similar in value as VGC 10 years from now? I showed my wife the new pictures of VDH and she says Meh. Why would we buy that when we have VGC she says. I said because it could be worth $500pp 10 years from now! She doesn’t buy it.

I would think that with only two properties near DLR, it might command a premium over other DVC. But nobody knows for sure so I say don't buy it just for that. If she doesn't like it and you have the points you need with VGC, why get VDH?

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I would think that with only two properties near DLR, it might command a premium over other DVC. But nobody knows for sure so I say don't buy it just for that. If she doesn't like it and you have the points you need with VGC, why get VDH?

I hate rational people

 

[elenex]

Do you think VDH will see similar in value as VGC 10 years from now? I showed my wife the new pictures of VDH and she says Meh. Why would we buy that when we have VGC she says. I said because it could be worth $500pp 10 years from now! She doesn’t buy it.

My wife is the same way. Was excited for it initially, but aside from the GV the rooms just feel very stuck in the 2020s trend and that they may age poorly. Everyone is calling this very modern but... Look at some images from the Contemporary 10 years ago, does that still look modern? I think we need to see them in person... Some of the materials look like they could be cheap if we're being honest, and the purple/teal color scheme is vomit-inducing unless you're in a family filled with princesses (we are not). VGC's craftsman theming is far more timeless and neutral imo.

I also think the capacity will make this less exclusive and therefore the price may not mirror the VGC trend.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

My wife is the same way. Was excited for it initially, but aside from the GV the rooms just feel very stuck in the 2020s trend and that they may age poorly. Everyone is calling this very modern but... Look at some images from the Contemporary 10 years ago, does that still look modern? I think we need to see them in person... Some of the materials look like they could be cheap if we're being honest, and the purple/teal color scheme is vomit-inducing unless you're in a family filled with princesses (we are not). VGC's craftsman theming is far more timeless and neutral imo.

I also think the capacity will make this less exclusive and therefore the price may not mirror the VGC trend.

YOU GUYS ARE NOT HELPING! In all seriousness. You both are 200% right. VGC is unique, exclusive, and superior in every category, minus maybe the points chart, which still remains to be seen. Still. I can’t help but to feel the FOMO looking at these pictures. I really hope the VGC hard refurb comes soon to allay my doubts. I really need another trip to Disneyland. November can’t come soon enough!

 

[elenex]

YOU GUYS ARE NOT HELPING! In all seriousness. You both are 200% right. VGC is unique, exclusive, and superior in every category, minus maybe the points chart, which still remains to be seen. Still. I can’t help but to feel the FOMO looking at these pictures. I really hope the VGC hard refurb comes soon to allay my doubts. I really need another trip to Disneyland. November can’t come soon enough!

I hear you. We've been planning on buying 200-300 points at VDH for a year now. We own a few VGC points and have been pretty good at sniping additional stays there. It makes so much more sense to buy at VDH as you can use the points at VGC (likely not nice versa since VGC would be resale). My young son prefers DH to GCH. Everything points to buying VDH, but... The tiana rooms in particular just churn my stomach. A poster of a princess? Really? Those foldout bed accents? The Ikea kitchen? And the puke green bench as dining room seating (to go oh so will with purple and teal? I mean seriously, who designed this? Maybe it's the kitchen but the whole thing screams Ikea to me.

We're going to wait for the points chart and to see whether or not we can specify the room theme when booking. And then take a room tour to reassure ourselves we are looking at above Ikea quality. If all that checks out, will probably buy. Otherwise, we plan to wait for this to go on sale and hopefully bottom out VGC resale prices, then pounce on a (dreaming here?) sub-200pp contract???

 

[sleepymouse]

I do not ignore the toilet paper. I am always thoroughly disappointed by it in all hotels, malls, restaurants, etc. ... really anywhere but(t) in my house.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I do not ignore the toilet paper. I am always thoroughly disappointed by it in all hotels, malls, restaurants, etc. ... really anywhere but(t) in my house.

I tend to look past the toilet paper. It has one, singular, inglorious task to perform. Either it performs the task, or it doesn't, and my encounters with it are fleeting at best (or one should hope). About 95% of the time it does.

 

[Dobermanns]

I am on the fence of buying at VDH, with one foot in the air ready to jump in .
We already own at VGC so I can get specific dates there and have enough points at WDW resorts that can be used to book random dates at VDH at 7 months (we are local to DLR and recently retired so random trips are easy). What will the availability at 7-month look like? Maybe I don’t need to buy immediately, wait till I stay there first?

 

[intamin]

I tend to look past the toilet paper. It has one, singular, inglorious task to perform. Either it performs the task, or it doesn't, and my encounters with it are fleeting at best (or one should hope). About 95% of the time it does.

Okay but how many ply would thou deem acceptable for one to wipe thy own butt? I want to FEEL the logo when I wipe. That's how you know you've made it in life.



Edit: okay I'm done I promise