Unsolicited school pictures that you have to pay for or return

Technically the law in many states says if you find money you need to make a reasonable attempt to find the owner. So I see you drop a $20 in the Target parking lot and I whisper...sir, you dropped your money. You don't stop, I guess you really didn't want it and I pocket it. I mean we can justify anything we want to justify, but it is wrong no matter what you tell yourself. I am sure there are things I do others wouldn't in life, but I still don't get purposely stealing something just because you technically can. It is still dishonest in my opinion and something you are teaching your kids b/c they know you are getting the notices to return or pay for them and they know you have them at home. Seems like a good opportunity to show your kids that even though LifeSource is doing something in violation of the Law, you will still do the right thing and send them back with a note saying so and to please stop taking my childs picture and sending me them without an order. Isn't that the better lesson to teach your child?
 
Keeping the pictures without paying for them might not technically be stealing, but it's unethical. I wouldn't trust anyone who would do something like that. It would just be a matter of time before they thought up some justification for screwing me over or taking something of mine.

Exactly and as a PTO, scout, sport, and dance mom, I can tell you that word will get around quick (at least here anyway) and caution will be used around that person. They would not be asked to help with concessions, handle uniforms, handle money, chaperone, and on and on. If a person is unethical enough to take pictures from a school fundraiser then no one knows who or what organize that you will justify screwing over next.

What is unethical is the business and the school lying and saying you have to return them or pay for them, when the law very clearly says that unsolicited merchandise is a gift.

How is it unethical to accept a gift?

Or do you just have no regard for what the law says?

Again, how is the school lying? Does you're school send home some sort of hateful, pay us or you'll never see your kid again letter?

It's not difficult at all. It's a matter of principle.

Parents don't want to fight with teachers and the school. Parents want to fight against an unethical business practice that consists of lying to parents to try to manipulate them into doing something the law clearly states they do not have to do.

Let's take the same business practice a little further. Would you be ok with Amazon shipping items to people that they didn't order, along with a letter that tells them they either have to pay for the item or ship it back?

If not, why not? It's the exact same concept.

Life Touch has been in business for decades (since the 30's according to their website), if their business practices were so unethical and illegal then why are they still in business? I'm sure a few DA's and AG's have been called in recent years (thanks to crazy blogs like you linked) and yet none of them have shut them down. :confused3
 
It's funny what bothers some people. It's really not that difficult to return a packet of pictures to the school if you don't want to purchase them. I always liked the pictures, so I was happy to buy them. But if I didn't, I would return them.

Some people are high maintenance, very demanding, and have no problem taking advantage of a situation.
 
So I was at the grocery store today and at the deli I specifically asked for 1/2 pound of turkey and 1/2 pound of ham. Do you know the young lady at the counter had the nerve to put .58# and .59# of meat in each bag! Well, I must consider that a gift, after all I was very clear that I wanted a half pound of each. I'm sure most people let it go, but oh not me! I told them at the register that this was clearly a trick on the part of the meat manager to make me buy extra meat so the greedy grocery store can profit off of the common people! I refused to pay for that gifted meat. Just let them try to pull it off of my cold, stale white bread!

Geez.

Thanks to so many of you that have only made my ds's adorable pictures that much more expensive by stealing pictures of your kids.
 

I'm just wondering - what's so hard about a business understanding fairly basic consumer protection laws in the areas where they do business, and just FOLLOW THEM? So it's OK for a business owner to break the law provided their attorneys tell them that there's a minimal chance that it's going to bite them hard? What I'm hearing here is a rationalization for a business to not follow the law. If you feel so strongly about "doing the right thing" then why not advocate for following the law? Some of these laws are over 40 years old.

Because sending unsolicited photos is deliberate business decision where they know they can (and I'm going to say what it is) lie that they have to be returned if not paid for.

And there are many laws that would describe this.

Like Texas:

§ 35.45. DELIVERY OF UNSOLICITED GOODS. (a) Unless
otherwise agreed, if unsolicited goods are delivered to a person,
the person:
(1) is entitled to refuse to accept delivery of the
goods; and
(2) is not required to return the goods to the sender.
(b) If unsolicited goods are either addressed to or intended
for the recipient, the goods are considered a gift to the recipient,
who may use them or dispose of them in any manner without obligation
to the sender.
(c) Unsolicited goods received due to a bona fide mistake
must be returned, but the burden of proof of the error is on the
sender.
(d) This section does not apply to goods substituted for
goods ordered or solicited by the recipient.


Washington state:

RCW 19.56.020
Unsolicited goods or services as gifts.

If unsolicited goods or services are provided to a person, the person has a right to accept the goods or services as a gift only, and is not bound to return the goods or services. Goods or services are not considered to have been solicited unless the recipient specifically requested, in an affirmative manner, the receipt of the goods or services according to the terms under which they are being offered. Goods or services are not considered to have been requested if a person fails to respond to an invitation to purchase the goods or services and the goods or services are provided notwithstanding. If the unsolicited goods or services are either addressed to or intended for the recipient, the recipient may use them or dispose of them in any manner without any obligation to the provider, and in any action for goods or services sold and delivered, or in any action for the return of the goods, it is a complete defense that the goods or services were provided voluntarily and that the defendant did not affirmatively order or request the goods or services, either orally or in writing.


Illinois:

(815 ILCS 430/0.01) (from Ch. 121 1/2, par. 350)
Sec. 0.01. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Unsolicited Merchandise Act.
(Source: P.A. 86-1324.)

(815 ILCS 430/1) (from Ch. 121 1/2, par. 351)
Sec. 1. Unless otherwise agreed, where unsolicited goods are delivered to a person, he has a right to refuse to accept delivery of the goods and is not bound to return such goods to the sender. If such unsolicited goods are either addressed to or intended for the recipient, they shall be deemed a gift to the recipient, who may use them or dispose of them in any manner without any obligation to the sender.
For purposes of this Act, "unsolicited goods" includes contractual obligations or other intangible property delivered to a person who has not ordered, solicited or agreed to purchase them, but shall not include tangible or intangible goods which are misdirected.


New York State:

NY Code - Section 5-332: Unsolicited and voluntarily sent merchandise deemed unconditional gift

1. No person, firm, partnership, association or corporation, or agent or employee thereof, shall, in any manner, or by any means, offer for sale goods, wares, or merchandise, where the offer includes the voluntary and unsolicited sending of such goods, wares, or merchandise not actually ordered or requested by the recipient, either orally or in writing. The receipt of any such goods, wares, or merchandise shall for all purposes be deemed an unconditional gift to the recipient who may use or dispose of such goods, wares, or merchandise in any manner he sees fit without any obligation on his part to the sender. If after any such receipt deemed to be an unconditional gift under this section, the sender continues to send bill statements or requests for payment with respect thereto, an action may be brought by the recipient to enjoin such conduct, in which action there may also be awarded reasonable attorney's fees and costs to the prevailing party. 2. If a person is a member of an organization which makes retail sales of any goods, wares, or merchandise to its members, and the person notifies the organization of his termination of membership by certified mail, return receipt requested, any unordered goods, wares, or merchandise which are sent to the person after thirty days following execution of the return receipt for the certified letter by the organization, shall for all purposes be deemed unconditional gifts to the person, who may use or dispose of the goods, wares, or merchandise in any manner he sees fit without any obligation on his part to the organization. If the termination of a person's membership in such organization breaches any agreement with the organization, nothing in this section shall relieve the person from liability for damages to which he might be otherwise subjected to pursuant to law, but he shall not be subject to any damages with respect to any goods, wares, or merchandise which are deemed unconditional gifts to him under this section. If after any receipt deemed to be an unconditional gift under this section, the sender continues to send bill statements or requests for payment with respect thereto, an action may be brought by the recipient to enjoin such conduct, in which action there may also be awarded reasonable attorneys' fees and costs to the prevailing party.


Florida:

570.545 Unsolicited goods; no obligation on part of recipient.—When unsolicited goods are delivered to a person, the person may refuse delivery of the goods, or, if the goods are delivered, the person is not obligated to return the goods to the sender. If unsolicited goods are either addressed to or intended for the recipient, they shall be deemed a gift and the recipient may use or dispose of them in any manner without obligation to the sender.

And Michigan:

UNSOLICITED MERCHANDISE Act 28 of 1969
AN ACT to prescribe the rights and duties of persons who send and receive unsolicited merchandise. History: 1969, Act 28, Imd. Eff. July 10, 1969.
The People of the State of Michigan enact:

445.131 Unsolicited merchandise; rights of recipients.

Sec. 1. No person, firm, partnership, association or corporation, or agent or employee thereof, in any manner, or by any means, shall offer for sale goods where the offer includes the voluntary and unsolicited sending of goods by mail or otherwise not actually ordered or requested by the recipient, either orally or in writing. The receipt of any such unsolicited goods shall be deemed for all purposes an unconditional gift to the recipient. The recipient may refuse to accept delivery of the goods, is not bound to return them to the sender, and may use or dispose of them in any manner he sees fit without any obligation on his part to the sender.

History: 1969, Act 28, Imd. Eff. July 10, 1969.

All of this over a "keep if you like" picture envelope sent home as a school fundraiser. The nerve of those school organizations trying to supplement the ever shrinking school funding.
 
This happened to someone I know. He did not return them and got the usual no return no Diploma. Friend said fine see you in court. A bluff. School said by the time you hire a lawyer it will cost you blah blah. He said let me clarify something for you, here's my card I am a lawyer.

They never sent him anything again.

Too bad for the school. The lawyer who would waste personal time over a pack of photos must not be very busy.
 
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So I was at the grocery store today and at the deli I specifically asked for 1/2 pound of turkey and 1/2 pound of ham. Do you know the young lady at the counter had the nerve to put .58# and .59# of meat in each bag! Well, I must consider that a gift, after all I was very clear that I wanted a half pound of each. I'm sure most people let it go, but oh not me! I told them at the register that this was clearly a trick on the part of the meat manager to make me buy extra meat so the greedy grocery store can profit off of the common people! I refused to pay for that gifted meat. Just let them try to pull it off of my cold, stale white bread!

Geez.

Thanks to so many of you that have only made my ds's adorable pictures that much more expensive by stealing pictures of your kids.

:lmao:
 
Just more garbage to have to deal with. I wonder where people have the time to just 'go along' with all this nonsense and never question any of it?

It's the general attitude of the school that the kids and their parents are their slaves and must comply with every thing they say or want that starts to get on peoples nerves.

I think the picture thing is one of those "straws on the camels back" type of things.

I'm glad we don't have to deal with any of that nonsense any more. Just one more little reason I'm glad we home school :goodvibes
 
So I was at the grocery store today and at the deli I specifically asked for 1/2 pound of turkey and 1/2 pound of ham. Do you know the young lady at the counter had the nerve to put .58# and .59# of meat in each bag! Well, I must consider that a gift, after all I was very clear that I wanted a half pound of each. I'm sure most people let it go, but oh not me! I told them at the register that this was clearly a trick on the part of the meat manager to make me buy extra meat so the greedy grocery store can profit off of the common people! I refused to pay for that gifted meat. Just let them try to pull it off of my cold, stale white bread!

Geez.

Thanks to so many of you that have only made my ds's adorable pictures that much more expensive by stealing pictures of your kids.

Amazing how people can "Justify" what they do by claiming that they are protected by law. Why can't they just send the item back without trying to get something for free?
 
The law is saying that if you do they will turn a blind eye to your petty thievery and you can live with your conscience. If you have one.

Seriously?
Did you read the law?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anything remotely close to that, but I give you credit for a very creative imagination.

It's not about turning a blind eye to anything. It's about protecting consumers from manipulative business practices.
 
These are school pictures, it has to do with your children. To me there is a difference.

To me there is a difference too. I find it even more offensive when companies use my children to carry out their unethical business practices.
 
Technically the law in many states says if you find money you need to make a reasonable attempt to find the owner. So I see you drop a $20 in the Target parking lot and I whisper...sir, you dropped your money. You don't stop, I guess you really didn't want it and I pocket it. I mean we can justify anything we want to justify, but it is wrong no matter what you tell yourself. I am sure there are things I do others wouldn't in life, but I still don't get purposely stealing something just because you technically can. It is still dishonest in my opinion and something you are teaching your kids b/c they know you are getting the notices to return or pay for them and they know you have them at home. Seems like a good opportunity to show your kids that even though LifeSource is doing something in violation of the Law, you will still do the right thing and send them back with a note saying so and to please stop taking my childs picture and sending me them without an order. Isn't that the better lesson to teach your child?

Apples and oranges. Your example isn't even remotely the same.
Your example is a case of someone accidentally losing something, in which case, any honest and ethical person would try to give it back to them.

The school pictures situation is a company intentionally sending you something you didn't ask for.

Also, the photography companies aren't doing something in violation of the law. They are just doing something unethical, by misleading people and stating that they have to return the pictures or pay for them, when the law makes it very clear that they do not have to.
 
Apples and oranges. Your example isn't even remotely the same.
Your example is a case of someone accidentally losing something, in which case, any honest and ethical person would try to give it back to them.

The school pictures situation is a company intentionally sending you something you didn't ask for.

Also, the photography companies aren't doing something in violation of the law. They are just doing something unethical, by misleading people and stating that they have to return the pictures or pay for them, when the law makes it very clear that they do not have to.
So you feel everyone should follow the letter of the law at all times?

Let me ask another question... do you ever speed?

Sorry, count me in with those who would take the extra 5 seconds to send the pictures back. Yes, I don't have to, but I still would.

However, I do keep the mailing labels "charities" send me in the mail. :lmao:
 
Exactly and as a PTO, scout, sport, and dance mom, I can tell you that word will get around quick (at least here anyway) and caution will be used around that person. They would not be asked to help with concessions, handle uniforms, handle money, chaperone, and on and on. If a person is unethical enough to take pictures from a school fundraiser then no one knows who or what organize that you will justify screwing over next.



Again, how is the school lying? Does you're school send home some sort of hateful, pay us or you'll never see your kid again letter?



Life Touch has been in business for decades (since the 30's according to their website), if their business practices were so unethical and illegal then why are they still in business? I'm sure a few DA's and AG's have been called in recent years (thanks to crazy blogs like you linked) and yet none of them have shut them down. :confused3

1. Nobody is being screwed over and if the people in the groups you mentioned lack the intelligence to understand the law and choose to do business with unethical companies, that's very sad for their kids.

2. The school is lying by saying you have to return the pictures or pay for them, when the law very clearly states that you don't.

3. Try reading a little more carefully next time. I certainly didn't say Life Touch did anything illegal and I don't think anyone else did either. I also didn't link to any blogs.
 
Apples and oranges. Your example isn't even remotely the same.
Your example is a case of someone accidentally losing something, in which case, any honest and ethical person would try to give it back to them.

The school pictures situation is a company intentionally sending you something you didn't ask for.

Also, the photography companies aren't doing something in violation of the law. They are just doing something unethical, by misleading people and stating that they have to return the pictures or pay for them, when the law makes it very clear that they do not have to.

You sort of DID ask for them, though. You let your child participate in picture day, right? So it makes sense that they would offer to let you see the photos. Otherwise, what is the point of having your child participate? Sorry, but this starts with the parents, IMHO. If you have no interest in the pictures, you should let the company know in advance by not allowing your child to participate. There are no "surprise picture days". People need to take responsibility for their own actions. You can't willingly say "take pictures of my child" and then complain when they do it. That's ridiculous. :confused3
 
So I was at the grocery store today and at the deli I specifically asked for 1/2 pound of turkey and 1/2 pound of ham. Do you know the young lady at the counter had the nerve to put .58# and .59# of meat in each bag! Well, I must consider that a gift, after all I was very clear that I wanted a half pound of each. I'm sure most people let it go, but oh not me! I told them at the register that this was clearly a trick on the part of the meat manager to make me buy extra meat so the greedy grocery store can profit off of the common people! I refused to pay for that gifted meat. Just let them try to pull it off of my cold, stale white bread!

Geez.

Thanks to so many of you that have only made my ds's adorable pictures that much more expensive by stealing pictures of your kids.

Apples and oranges again. You asked for the item and the person accidentally went a little over. Totally different from someone sending you something you didn't ask for and demanding payment or return.
Would you feel the same if the store made it a common practice to throw an extra item in your bag with a note that said when you got home, you had to send payment for it or bring it back to the store?

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE explain how someone keeping the gift of their kids pictures instead of returning them makes it much more expensive for you.

The truth is that Life Touch makes it much more expensive by printing up all of these pictures that will just get returned and shredded.
 
so OP since this was your thread from what 3 1/2 years ago and I'm not that interested to read all the pages what ended up happening ? or kindly point me to the page for the recap
 
Amazing how people can "Justify" what they do by claiming that they are protected by law. Why can't they just send the item back without trying to get something for free?

It just shows you the type of people that they really are.
 
Happy Easter everyone. :)

My daughter's 7th grade spring picture day is this week. She's looking forward to fixing her hair nicely and choosing something pretty to wear. And while I have a lovely camera and know how to use it, I'll buy one of the school photos for her yearbook.

They likely won't send home a packet of photos, but if they did I would gladly send back what I didn't like. I preferred when they sent the packet. I loved the immediate gratification, and I loved not having to try and guess from a small proof it was a nice shot. I guess those days have been ruined though. I can't imagine why. ;)
 

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