TSA to allow snow globes

[goofy4tink]

'If' the TSA showed consistency, things would be a lot easier. I, generally speaking, have no issue with TSA employees. I have always had good experiences with them. But, I have seen inconsistencies. What 'flies' at one airport's security point doesn't at another airport. And that's where the confusion often lies. If you are allowed to bring a sippy cup, with juice in it, through security at one airport, it should be okay other places.
I have read the TSA site...looking for some explanation about this. They allow juice, breast milk and bottles/cups (with liquid in them) to go through...that's what it says. However, it says infants and young children, and sometimes it says toddlers. It does say you have to declare the liguid/container as well. But, it does say it allows juice to go through....that an agent will test the cup/bottle for explosive residue, and will ask that the parent open the container for inspection.
It doesn't say a sippy cup will not be allowed....and that's what irks me. No consistency.

 

[Sith Lord 13]

Problem with snow globes is this:

Inside the glass bulb is "liquid". This "liquid" can range from water to, oh, I dunno, explosive material like nitroglycerin, isopropyl nitrate, methyl ethyl ketone peroxide (basically a high-quality nailm polish remover), or something like that. If a person makes a non-metallic detonator, inserts that into the base, turns the crank a few times and VOILA...instant bomb.

I really don't think it's a good idea for snowglobes to be allowed. But that's just me.

But you could still check the bag. Replace the crank detonator with a pressure one, bamn, same result. Not to mention that they allow laptop batteries. Do you know how explosive those things can be?

 

[EMAW_KSU]

'If' the TSA showed consistency, things would be a lot easier. I, generally speaking, have no issue with TSA employees. I have always had good experiences with them. But, I have seen inconsistencies. What 'flies' at one airport's security point doesn't at another airport. And that's where the confusion often lies. If you are allowed to bring a sippy cup, with juice in it, through security at one airport, it should be okay other places.
I have read the TSA site...looking for some explanation about this. They allow juice, breast milk and bottles/cups (with liquid in them) to go through...that's what it says. However, it says infants and young children, and sometimes it says toddlers. It does say you have to declare the liguid/container as well. But, it does say it allows juice to go through....that an agent will test the cup/bottle for explosive residue, and will ask that the parent open the container for inspection.
It doesn't say a sippy cup will not be allowed....and that's what irks me. No consistency.

Like candy if you are deaf at the Louisville airport.

 

[LadyBeBop]

if we really have to rely on barely trained, low wage earning people that are simply following routines instead of truly doing intel and analysis of the flyers....we're screwed.

But the TSA isn't allowed to do intel and analysis of the flyers. Because that would be profiling. And profiling is not politically correct.

As a result, the TSA must treat the Middle Eastern man with a "I Hate America" T-Shirt the same as the three-year old with a sippy cup. If the terrorist wannabe can't bring liquids through security, neither than the three-year old.

 

[EMAW_KSU]

But the TSA isn't allowed to do intel and analysis of the flyers. Because that would be profiling. And profiling is not politically correct.

As a result, the TSA must treat the Middle Eastern man with a "I Hate America" T-Shirt the same as the three-year old with a sippy cup. If the terrorist wannabe can't bring liquids through security, neither than the three-year old.

But they do profile. I am on the No Fly list because I have the same name as a terrorists from Australia.

 

[deegack]

But they do profile. I am on the No Fly list because I have the same name has a terrorists from Australia.

A good friend of mine has the same name as a Mexican drug lord. He has been stopped at the Canadian boarder multiple times an is on the no fly list. Ironic thing is he works for a us senator and has security clearance (not sure of the level) and often travels around the world on a diplomat passport.

 

[vacationclub]

But the TSA isn't allowed to do intel and analysis of the flyers. Because that would be profiling. And profiling is not politically correct.

As a result, the TSA must treat the Middle Eastern man with a "I Hate America" T-Shirt the same as the three-year old with a sippy cup. If the terrorist wannabe can't bring liquids through security, neither than the three-year old.

Oh, the TSA does profile, just not at the airport level. They do it in an office somewhere. But their method of profiling is simply to ban anyone who happens to share the same name as someone else who is a potential bad guy. Not exactly a well thought-out method.

 

[CPT Tripss]

More proof that the liquid "ban" is USELESS!

The Thousands Standing Around pretending to be security. Wonder when they will finally admit the truth on this liquid nonsense!

Or the Shoe Carnival . . .

Yes, but at least they are making some progress at lightening up on.... (as another poster put it)... absurdities.

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Question: should TSA employees also be called "cast members"?

I didn't realize that Smurfs were in WDW.

Problem with snow globes is this:

Inside the glass bulb is "liquid". This "liquid" can range from water to, oh, I dunno, explosive material like nitroglycerin, isopropyl nitrate, methyl ethyl ketone peroxide (basically a high-quality nailm polish remover), or something like that. If a person makes a non-metallic detonator, inserts that into the base, turns the crank a few times and VOILA...instant bomb.

I really don't think it's a good idea for snowglobes to be allowed. But that's just me.

Right you are, and dedicated bombers can carry explosives inside themselves too.

But the TSA isn't allowed to do intel and analysis of the flyers. Because that would be profiling. And profiling is not politically correct.

As a result, the TSA must treat the Middle Eastern man with a "I Hate America" T-Shirt the same as the three-year old with a sippy cup. If the terrorist wannabe can't bring liquids through security, neither than the three-year old.

Yes, we see flyers dressed like this all the time.

 

[vacationclub]

What 'flies' at one airport's security point doesn't at another airport. And that's where the confusion often lies.

It's worse than that. You could go through the same airport on a different day and be told different things. Depending on which AGENT you get, not just which airport you are at, you will get a different story.

.....like this person....posted today.

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_n...hes-woman-with-feeding-tube-swabs-device?lite

 

[vacationclub]

Yes, we see flyers dressed like this all the time.

Or........undressed.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Naked-fliers-attorneys-ask-for-acquittal-162908166.html

Posted today.

 

[lylone]

If you were returning from Cancun (In Mexico) why were you going through TSA? Is the TSA in Mexico too, or did you land in the US, then have to go through US Security before boarding another plane?

TSA does the security screening also when you come back in to the US via an International flight.
They do profile and I wonder if us being larger has something to do with always being sent through the X-ray scanner.
And why would you choose someone wearing shorts for a pat down on their legs?

 

[vacationclub]

TSA does the security screening also when you come back in to the US via an International flight.
They do profile and I wonder if us being larger has something to do with always being sent through the X-ray scanner.
And why would you choose someone wearing shorts for a pat down on their legs?

So, you landed after coming from Mexico, and you were going to another part of the airport for another flight? Or did you land from Mexico and were at your final destination? Just trying to figure out how you left Mexico, then had to go through security....again... after landing in the US.

Size may play a factor especially if loose clothing is worn. They may have a general rule of putting loose clothing through the radiation. But it could be just that you've been unlucky.

 

[sam_gordon]

So, you landed after coming from Mexico, and you were going to another part of the airport for another flight? Or did you land from Mexico and were at your final destination? Just trying to figure out how you left Mexico, then had to go through security....again... after landing in the US.

I can speak to this as I just did it a couple weeks ago. We went through security (not TSA) in Cancun. We deplane in Atlanta. We go through immigration, then have to claim our checked bags, go through customs, hand the checked bags BACK to an employee, then go through Security (TSA) again.

Then we made our way to the gate for our connecting flight.

 

[aubriee]

On our last trip back from Cancun, we of course were pushed over to the X ray scanners. we are getting pretty used to them and I wonder....

Well, I get done with the scan and the TSA lady tells me she has to pat down my legs? I look down and say "My legs, I have shorts on!" and the lady says "you have a problem with that". I say "no".
But it still to this day makes me wonder.....

What in the world was I hiding on my bare legs? I could understand pat down on my hips, butt, stomach...but my bare legs?
She rubbed my bare legs with her gloved hands, gave me a look and said I could leave.
Yeah, sure she was doing her job. But that is pretty extreme!

Oh that's funny, the very same thing happened to me as we were leaving Dallas to take our 3 y/o GS to Orlando. After making us pour our GS's apple juice out of his little sippy cup, when we got close to the front of the line, a TSA agent came over and told us all three to go through the xray scanner. I bent down to tell my GS that he'd need to walk into scanner, put his feet on the foot prints, hold his hands up, and stand really still and that I'd go through first to show him, then he could go, then my husband would be right behind him. He was very solemnly nodding, when another TSA agent gave the first one a disgusted look and told me to go through the xray scanner, but for my husband and grandson to go through the regular one. Once I got through, another TSA agent said she had to pat me down. I was wearing shorts, a thin tank top and was barefooted, because I had put my flip flops in the bin. No way could I have possibly had anything on me. Not wanting to deal with them, I never even wear jewelry through those scanners, keeping it in my personal item and putting in on after clearing security. I wear fitted clothing and absolutely nothing that could possibly set those scanners off. The TSA agent rubbed down both arms and legs. What the heck, both were bare. My husband who was wearing cargo shorts and a button up shirt with pockets got to go through the regular scanner, while I who was wearing shorts with no pockets and thin tank got patted down. There was absolutely no reason for it. I didn't even have a bobby pin in my hair and was wearing as little as was legal to make sure they couldn't pick me. Heck, I'm a 53 y/o grandmother traveling with my 3 y/o GS and my husband to WDW. What could possibly look suspicious about me? lol Maybe wearing shorts, a tank top, and flip flops in Texas in Feb looked suspicious, even though the weather was actually warm that day.lol

 

[aubriee]

I've told the story on here before about the time I was doing carry on only. As my carry on came through, a TSA agent asked if it was mine and said he needed to search it. He took me off to the side and unzipped the carry on. On top was a bag of labeled bath salts. He opened them, ran his cloth covered wand through them, smelled of them, picked up a few and ran them through his gloved fingers feeling them and again smelling them. I finally laughed and told him they were only bath salts. He glared at me and said he had to make sure and didn't know if they would be allowed. He finally called a supervisor over, who took one look at them, gave him a disgusted look and said to let me go. The first agent got really huffy, said he was going to let me go this time, but I'd better not try to sneak something like that through again. What sneaking? It was a labeled, clear bag of bath salts sitting on the very top in my carry on. What was funny was that I had originally planned on checking a bag, but changed my mind at the last minute after realizing that I could get everything in a carryon. Directly below that bag of bath salts he was so concerned about, I had a small bag that a small bottle of cleansing oil, a lip gloss, and mascara in it. I'd forgotten and didn't realize it until I got to my resort that day and unpacked. He was so concerned about my bath salts that were legal that he missed things that weren't. Yeah, I have a lot of confidence in Dallas' TSA agents.

 

[lylone]

So, you landed after coming from Mexico, and you were going to another part of the airport for another flight? Or did you land from Mexico and were at your final destination? Just trying to figure out how you left Mexico, then had to go through security....again... after landing in the US.

Size may play a factor especially if loose clothing is worn. They may have a general rule of putting loose clothing through the radiation. But it could be just that you've been unlucky.

No, we weren't catching another flight. ATL was our final destination. I don't wear any looser clothing than anyone else.
I never have had an issue going through the x-ray scanners, but the pat down and the attitude of the lady could have been a little less rude.
I wonder if they just one people that won't make a big stink...

and they also didn't catch a metal nail file in my carryon. Mexico caught one on the way back, but ATL didn't see the other one.
When I got home I found the other one and laughed.... check the body good, but the bag slips on through...

 

[sam_gordon]

No, we weren't catching another flight. ATL was our final destination. I don't wear any looser clothing than anyone else.
I never have had an issue going through the x-ray scanners, but the pat down and the attitude of the lady could have been a little less rude.
I wonder if they just one people that won't make a big stink...

and they also didn't catch a metal nail file in my carryon. Mexico caught one on the way back, but ATL didn't see the other one.
When I got home I found the other one and laughed.... check the body good, but the bag slips on through...

I am surprised you had to go through security to exit the airport. What's the point of that?

 

[gmeh1]

But the TSA isn't allowed to do intel and analysis of the flyers. Because that would be profiling. And profiling is not politically correct.

As a result, the TSA must treat the Middle Eastern man with a "I Hate America" T-Shirt the same as the three-year old with a sippy cup. If the terrorist wannabe can't bring liquids through security, neither than the three-year old.

Profiling is not not politically correct, it is ILLEGAL!!! I doubt greatly you would see a middle eastern man with that type of T-shirt. Hating something and being a wanna be terrorist are two totally different things.

The agent that took the sippy cup away was obviously wrong.

 

[gmeh1]

Just to go a wee bit off topic here, the really insane and stupid security is at the parks. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that these "rent a cops" are TSA rejects.

 

[lylone]

I am surprised you had to go through security to exit the airport. What's the point of that?

We were coming back from Mexico. I guess I may have had some drugs stashed in my legs that they didn't want back in the states.