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[disneymegs]

I'm pretty sure the Disney folks can tell the difference between a family taking photos of their own kids and some random dude who waltzes into the BBB on his OWN and starts photographing kids. No one said that they're going to ask you to delete photos just because someone else's kids *happen* to be in the background. It's taking photos distinctly of children who are obviously NOT your own that is occasionally cracked down on.

Exactly! Finally someone understands. I continually say it's not about a kid in the background. It's about zooming in on a kid without parental consent! Geez, people must not be reading before they sound off.

 

[mom2rtk]

Walk up to a character meet & greet and try to take close-ups of someone else's kid and see what happens. Most of the time the character handler will quietly position themselves right between your camera and the child in question. Move around them........ they'll move too.

The sense of entitlement I see is pretty amazing.

And you'd have to be pretty dense not to see the difference between taking photos with someone else's kid in the background and purposely making someone's child the SUBJECT of your photo.

 

[YodaGirl]

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ON what cause? Because the photographer took a picture of a say, castle and a little kid was in the picture? This makes no sense at all! What grounds would Disney have to take the paying guest out of the park? I can see if they were doing something illegal, shop lifting or being dis-orderly. But to expel a person from a park for taking a photo of a child? LOL!

As has been stated numerous times in multiple posts...

The issue is NOT with random people being in your picture(s). The problem is photographs taken with the sole purpose of singling out a specific child.

A picture of the castle with multiple people (including children)? Fine.

A close-up picture of a single child with just a bit of the castle in the background? Not fine. Why? Because the subject of the picture is no longer the castle; it is the child.

It honestly doesn't take a trained photographer to determine the subject of any given picture.

 

[brunette8706]

I'm pretty sure the Disney folks can tell the difference between a family taking photos of their own kids and some random dude who waltzes into the BBB on his OWN and starts photographing kids. No one said that they're going to ask you to delete photos just because someone else's kids *happen* to be in the background. It's taking photos distinctly of children who are obviously NOT your own that is occasionally cracked down on.

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Um, okay! You sound like you, yourself are the Disney Police. Seriously. I have never, EVER seen a photographer go around and just take pictures of KIDS and I have been going to Disney for years. There is no way to prove the photographer is just taking photographs of childrern either. I think personally you need to lighten up and lose the aggressiveness to other posters on this thread. **rolling eyes**

 

[mom2rtk]

Exactly! Finally someone understands. I continually say it's not about a kid in the background. It's about zooming in on a kid without parental consent! Geez, people must not be reading before they sound off.

Oh, I think they understood. They just chose to ignore the point of the discussion in an effort to make others look silly.

 

[mom2rtk]

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I have never, EVER seen a photographer go around and just take pictures of KIDS and I have been going to Disney for years.

That's because they were taken out back and fed to the alligators before anyone else saw what was happening.

 

[brunette8706]

As has been stated numerous times in multiple posts...

The issue is NOT with random people being in your picture(s). The problem is photographs taken with the sole purpose of singling out a specific child.

A picture of the castle with multiple people (including children)? Fine.

A close-up picture of a single child with just a bit of the castle in the background? Not fine. Why? Because the subject of the picture is no longer the castle; it is the child.

It honestly doesn't take a trained photographer to determine the subject of any given picture.

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I'm sorry, but how do you know whether the photographer is "ZOOMING" in on a child or not? So many people are distracted with so many other things going on.

 

[Wadecool]

I'm pretty sure the Disney folks can tell the difference between a family taking photos of their own kids and some random dude who waltzes into the BBB on his OWN and starts photographing kids. No one said that they're going to ask you to delete photos just because someone else's kids *happen* to be in the background. It's taking photos distinctly of children who are obviously NOT your own that is occasionally cracked down on.

Ok, with your logic, please explain what happened at our BBB appointment last week. We had an 8am appointment and while DW and DD were getting checked in and situated, I wandered around Main Street and the Castle taking photos. Let me add that my DD is notorious for getting mad at me for taking her photo and often makes a mean face or turns away from the camera (a phase I hope!) so some of the best photos I get of her are often from a "paparazzi" standpoint, meaning I will get a good shot of her from a distance without her even knowing it. Ok, so I go into the BBB and without my DW or DD even knowing I am there, I began taking MANY photos of DD during the makeover. It would have been very obvious to anyone watching that I was clearly taking individual photos of a 3 year old girl. Anyone else there including the CM's, had absolutely no idea that I was related to my DD or even knew her. So why, pray tell, did I not get accosted and taken away in shackles or at least ordered to delete those photos?

 

[YodaGirl]

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Um, okay! You sound like you, yourself are the Disney Police. Seriously. I have never, EVER seen a photographer go around and just take pictures of KIDS and I have been going to Disney for years. There is no way to prove the photographer is just taking photographs of childrern either. I think personally you need to lighten up and lose the aggressiveness to other posters on this thread. **rolling eyes**

If a person is suspected of targeting individuals, a look at the pictures on the camera would prove it.

Oh, I think they understood. They just chose to ignore the point of the discussion in an effort to make others look silly.

Indeed.

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I'm sorry, but how do you know whether the photographer is "ZOOMING" in on a child or not? So many people are distracted with so many other things going on.

I'm pretty sure that it would be obvious if an individual was targeting people or landmarks.

 

[brunette8706]

Ok, with your logic, please explain what happened at our BBB appointment last week. We had an 8am appointment and while DW and DD were getting checked in and situated, I wandered around Main Street and the Castle taking photos. Let me add that my DD is notorious for getting mad at me for taking her photo and often makes a mean face or turns away from the camera (a phase I hope!) so some of the best photos I get of her are often from a "paparazzi" standpoint, meaning I will get a good shot of her from a distance without her even knowing it. Ok, so I go into the BBB and without my DW or DD even knowing I am there, I began taking MANY photos of DD during the makeover. It would have been very obvious to anyone watching that I was clearly taking individual photos of a 3 year old girl. Anyone else there including the CM's, had absolutely no idea that I was related to my DD or even knew her. So why, pray tell, did I not get accosted and taken away in shackles or at least ordered to delete those photos?

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Exactly. Your points are well made. I've taken zoom shots of character greets too with a child in them. I do this to get the photo of the character itself, then I crop anything that interfears with the photo itself. In this case it could have been an adult, a child or a CM. I've done this plenty of times....Voila my result is a photograph of a character.

 

[disneymegs]

Ok, with your logic, please explain what happened at our BBB appointment last week. We had an 8am appointment and while DW and DD were getting checked in and situated, I wandered around Main Street and the Castle taking photos. Let me add that my DD is notorious for getting mad at me for taking her photo and often makes a mean face or turns away from the camera (a phase I hope!) so some of the best photos I get of her are often from a "paparazzi" standpoint, meaning I will get a good shot of her from a distance without her even knowing it. Ok, so I go into the BBB and without my DW or DD even knowing I am there, I began taking MANY photos of DD during the makeover. It would have been very obvious to anyone watching that I was clearly taking individual photos of a 3 year old girl. Anyone else there including the CM's, had absolutely no idea that I was related to my DD or even knew her. So why, pray tell, did I not get accosted and taken away in shackles or at least ordered to delete those photos?

If you were at a distance, they probably didn't notice or gave you the benefit of doubt and assumed you were taking pics of the BBB as a whole, because that is allowed.

 

[maxiesmom]

Ok, with your logic, please explain what happened at our BBB appointment last week. We had an 8am appointment and while DW and DD were getting checked in and situated, I wandered around Main Street and the Castle taking photos. Let me add that my DD is notorious for getting mad at me for taking her photo and often makes a mean face or turns away from the camera (a phase I hope!) so some of the best photos I get of her are often from a "paparazzi" standpoint, meaning I will get a good shot of her from a distance without her even knowing it. Ok, so I go into the BBB and without my DW or DD even knowing I am there, I began taking MANY photos of DD during the makeover. It would have been very obvious to anyone watching that I was clearly taking individual photos of a 3 year old girl. Anyone else there including the CM's, had absolutely no idea that I was related to my DD or even knew her. So why, pray tell, did I not get accosted and taken away in shackles or at least ordered to delete those photos?

Because, according to some previous posters, any CM can decide to enforce that particular rule, or not to, depending on their mood. You were just lucky enough to get a bunch of CMs who didn't care. But if they had cared, you would have been in big trouble!

That is the problem I have with so many of the previous posts. The arbitrary way in which some CMs supposedly enforce rules only know to them. Makes no sense. Unless a CM questions you to begin with, they have no way of knowing if you are related to said child or not. I find the notion that CMs walk around looking for people taking bootleg pictures to be beyond ridiculous.

 

[mom2rtk]

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Exactly. Your points are well made. I've taken zoom shots of character greets too with a child in them. I do this to get the photo of the character itself, then I crop anything that interfears with the photo itself. In this case it could have been an adult, a child or a CM. I've done this plenty of times....Voila my result is a photograph of a character.

Ok, with your logic, please explain what happened at our BBB appointment last week. We had an 8am appointment and while DW and DD were getting checked in and situated, I wandered around Main Street and the Castle taking photos. Let me add that my DD is notorious for getting mad at me for taking her photo and often makes a mean face or turns away from the camera (a phase I hope!) so some of the best photos I get of her are often from a "paparazzi" standpoint, meaning I will get a good shot of her from a distance without her even knowing it. Ok, so I go into the BBB and without my DW or DD even knowing I am there, I began taking MANY photos of DD during the makeover. It would have been very obvious to anyone watching that I was clearly taking individual photos of a 3 year old girl. Anyone else there including the CM's, had absolutely no idea that I was related to my DD or even knew her. So why, pray tell, did I not get accosted and taken away in shackles or at least ordered to delete those photos?

Do you really think that Disney is able to police ANY policy of theirs 100% of the time? Because they CAN do something and OCCASIONALLY do something does not mean that they are able to or desire to do it every single time.

 

[Pirate Jeff]

Do you really think that Disney is able to police ANY policy of theirs 100% of the time? Because they CAN do something and OCCASIONALLY do something does not mean that they are able to or desire to do it every single time.

The hypocracy is astounding.

 

[mom2rtk]

Because, according to some previous posters, any CM can decide to enforce that particular rule, or not to, depending on their mood. You were just lucky enough to get a bunch of CMs who didn't care. But if they had cared, you would have been in big trouble!

That is the problem I have with so many of the previous posts. The arbitrary way in which some CMs supposedly enforce rules only know to them. Makes no sense. Unless a CM questions you to begin with, they have no way of knowing if you are related to said child or not. I find the notion that CMs walk around looking for people taking bootleg pictures to be beyond ridiculous.

It's not necessarily arbitrary. It's called judgment.

And because it's probably pretty rare for someone to be in the park taking "bootleg" photos, it's not something CM's would be walking around doing. I'm pretty sure they laid off all their picture police in the big downsizing of 2009. But asking their CM's to keep an eye out for such situations and letting someone know when it comes up seems quite reasonable.

 

[YodaGirl]

Because, according to some previous posters, any CM can decide to enforce that particular rule, or not to, depending on their mood. You were just lucky enough to get a bunch of CMs who didn't care. But if they had cared, you would have been in big trouble!

That is the problem I have with so many of the previous posts. The arbitrary way in which some CMs supposedly enforce rules only know to them. Makes no sense. Unless a CM questions you to begin with, they have no way of knowing if you are related to said child or not. I find the notion that CMs walk around looking for people taking bootleg pictures to be beyond ridiculous.

Actually, I believe what the CM poster said was that any CM who feels that the safety of a guest is at risk (yes, that includes strangers taking pictures of children), can contact a manager or Disney security. The manager or security CM can - and has - asked the guest to see pictures and delete any that were targeting children.

Perhaps it would have been best if the CM poster had been clearer, but when you read all of her posts, that is the impression that is left...not that rogue CMs are wandering through the parks attempting to confiscate guests' cameras.

 

[YodaGirl]

Do you really think that Disney is able to police ANY policy of theirs 100% of the time? Because they CAN do something and OCCASIONALLY do something does not mean that they are able to or desire to do it every single time.

The hypocracy is astounding.

I don't see that as hypocritical.

Think about it in terms of real life. Are police officers able to arrest every person who breaks the law? No. Sometimes people get away with things.

Have you ever been pulled over for speeding and received a warning rather than a ticket?

Have you ever driven 5mph over past a clocking patrolman and not been stopped?

It's the same concept.

 

[Pirate Jeff]

Walk up to a character meet & greet and try to take close-ups of someone else's kid and see what happens. Most of the time the character handler will quietly position themselves right between your camera and the child in question. Move around them........ they'll move too.

The sense of entitlement I see is pretty amazing.
And you'd have to be pretty dense not to see the difference between taking photos with someone else's kid in the background and purposely making someone's child the SUBJECT of your photo.

What sense of entitlement? The entitlement of an opinion? Looks like yours is lost, because not all CM's follow this so called rule. Again, it does not hold water. If this were in fact true then most people with cameras, who in fact shoot pictures of various character's, people, theme's would be "expelled" from the parks. Gasp, if they zoom in on anything

 

[disneymegs]

Actually, I believe what the CM poster said was that any CM who feels that the safety of a guest is at risk (yes, that includes strangers taking pictures of children), can contact a manager or Disney security. The manager or security CM can - and has - asked the guest to see pictures and delete any that were targeting children.

Perhaps it would have been best if the CM poster had been clearer, but when you read all of her posts, that is the impression that is left...not that rogue CMs are wandering through the parks attempting to confiscate guests' cameras.

Thank you, and I do apologize for not being clearer. I didn't realize I'd have to break it down 100% because everyone would jump on me about it. Thanks for understand though!

 

[Wadecool]

If you were at a distance, they probably didn't notice or gave you the benefit of doubt and assumed you were taking pics of the BBB as a whole, because that is allowed.

If you've ever been in that room, you know that it is pretty small and the way it is set up and the way I was positioned, it would have been clear to anyone watching that I was taking photos of one particular girl.