Too big for stroller--the website

[disneymegs]

You've got me thinking about looking up the actual law. While this site might be good for guideline purposes, ultimately the law is what matters.

Also, note that Disney is not a public place, it is private property. Buying a ticket and entering the park makes a person subject to Disney's rules and regulations in addition to whatever legal rights or obligations the person (and Disney) may have. It has been a while since I looked at those Disney regulations, however I'm quite sure that Disney provides itself VERY broad rights to expel a person from the property without refund if Disney finds the person's actions to be not to Disney's liking.

Note that Disney asking a person to delete photos is merely a way of saying: "You have two options: leave, or delete photos" in which case the person may VOLUNTARILY choose to delete the photos. That's key - Disney can't make a person delete photos - but the person risks involuntary expulsion, which is always within Disney rights and thus agrees to delete.

Well said! Most people will gladly delete the photos because they didn't think of it as wrong when they took them. And honestly most parents will say yes when people ask if they can take a picture of their princess, but for the few people who don't ask and the parents don't like it, a manager will find the guest and ask that they delete all photos of the individual princess. It would be impossible for Disney to have everything that they could possibly escort a guest off property for doing in writing. I'm sure it's subjective.

 

[bwilcox]

Actually, my post isn't making fun of ANYONE. I love making magic for every guest I encounter, all ages! It has absolutely nothing to do with poking fun. All I did was suggest that everyone be nice to each other so everyone can give and receive advice to make the most of the Happiest Place on Earth. I didn't make the website, nor condone it, so jumping down my throat accomplishes nothing. Everyone needs to relax.

I didn't insinuate that you made fun of the kids. It just seems very hypocritical to me that you are so upset about people posting their opinions on a message board (which is the very nature of message boards), but not that kids that you work so hard for are being posted on a website and laughed at.

 

[mwulf67]

Because I still cannot see Disney getting involved. The CMs do not have the right to take your camera, and delete pictures off of it as they choose. And I can easily see how their attempting to do so would casue a huge scene, which is something they usually avoid at all costs.

I'm not sure who your manager is, but I'm pretty sure his is over-stepping his legal boundries with that one. And if someone chose to, they could cause quite a fuss over it. Again, it is not illegal to take pictures of people when they are out in public.

I'm not saying that I don't think it is a bit odd to take a bunch of pics of someone else's child. Because I think it is a little odd. But that doesn't give Disney the right to take anyone's camera and make them delete pictures. And I'd like to see where in the CM manual it states it is ok to do so.

Disney may not have the legal right to take someone's camera (which doesn't seem to be the case anyway)....BUT Disney clearly has the legal right to remove someone from their park for any reason...and failing to comply to one their rules/policies would certain be grounds enough for removal...lots of things that are not illegal are against park policies/rules...

 

[disneymegs]

I didn't insinuate that you made fun of the kids. It just seems very hypocritical to me that you are so upset about people posting their opinions on a message board (which is the very nature of message boards), but not that kids that you work so hard for are being posted on a website and laughed at.

If you read all of my posts, you'd know that it does upset me, which is why I have told managers about people taking pictures of children without parental consent and the pictures are then deleted by the guests. I'm not upset about people posting their opinions, I just don't see why everyone can't remember the positives of their vacation and not tear each other to shreds on a community board. I think you're reading way too deep into it, yet missing where I say how hard I try to make an experience magical, which includes protecting a little princess from having a creep take pictures of her without her parents knowing! I really don't see how I was in the wrong by suggesting that everyone get along!

 

[wtccheermom]

From the Website in question!

In the meantime, I’ll be over here skimming over hate mails and finding the hypocrisy in being called a miserable, lonely, friendless, immature, ignorant a****** who needn’t worry about using a stroller someday cause I’m undeserving of someone who loves me enough to impregnate me, by people who find deem me mean and judgmental. The good news is, I’m choosing not to take it personally. coughtryitcough. And instead of defending my integrity, intelligence, general understanding of stroller usage, sarcasm, sense of humor, and capacity for human compassion, I’ll simply state my opinion that if literal explanations were applied to every little questionable thing, then nothing in this world would have room to be funny. Sorry Jerry Seinfeld, airline peanut packages are small because planes have limited storage space.

Anyone want to fess up!

 

[YodaGirl]

From the Website in question!



Anyone want to fess up!

Nope. I think the person made a poor choice.

I don't know the person, so I can't say anything about the actual person...nor have I.

Disliking a person's choice does not equate to disliking the person.

 

[jayandstacey]

Disney has the following sentence in each ticket sale:
"The owners of the Walt Disney World® Resort reserve the right to refuse admittance to any person or persons."

They don't need a reason, it isn't limited by time (ie, you could be refused admittance after being in the park 6 hours) and it is solely WDW's right - meaning they alone can exercise it. A management employee acts as an agent of the owners of WDW resort in excercising the right and can also thus choose NOT to excercise the right if the guest decides to fix the situation, including the deletion of photos.

In fact, Disney probably coaches managers to find ways to fix the situation before kicking the person out. This shows a reasonable want by Disney to NOT exercise the right - and thus if the person ever sued Disney, they'd have even less of a case. The reason this is important is two-fold:
1. While Disney has the right to kick out a guest, and would likely win a lawsuit, it is still costly to fight it.
2. A person could turn an expulsion into a case of discrimination. By Disney presenting the conditions under which a guest may remain in the parks (for instance, by deleting photos), they are clearing showing that the expulsion is NOT about discrimination or some other illegal reason.

 

[designermv]

The blog's "popularity" (for lack of a better word) is hardly confined to the DIS. The blog author has ruffled feathers all over the internet, so I am not surprised that she is receiving emails in response to her "humor."

I don't know. I'm as snarky as they come, and pretty laid back, but I just don't find the blog funny at all. And if she's going to put up photos of strangers' kids with snarky captions, she shouldn't be surprised that some snark comes back to bite her in the a**. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Or something like that, my mom used to say.

 

[bwilcox]

If you read all of my posts, you'd know that it does upset me, which is why I have told managers about people taking pictures of children without parental consent and the pictures are then deleted by the guests. I'm not upset about people posting their opinions, I just don't see why everyone can't remember the positives of their vacation and not tear each other to shreds on a community board. I think you're reading way too deep into it, yet missing where I say how hard I try to make an experience magical, which includes protecting a little princess from having a creep take pictures of her without her parents knowing! I really don't see how I was in the wrong by suggesting that everyone get along!

All those posts came AFTER the one I was responding to. It touched a nerve with me that you were calling people like me out for debating our opinion as being un-Disney, yet you mentioned nothing about the people on the website being laughed at.
Anyway, I'm sure you're a good CM and I'm done debating this topic.

 

[wtccheermom]

amen.

And since i've seen a number of posters complain about "making fun of the children" i promise you, when i think having a 9 year old in a stroller is ridiculous, it isn't the 9 year old i'm laughing at.

ita

 

[jayandstacey]

Nope. I think the person made a poor choice.

I don't know the person, so I can't say anything about the actual person...nor have I.

Disliking a person's choice does not equate to disliking the person.

Exactly. Our Constitution defends the rights of citizens to make all kinds of jokes and say all kinds of things. This site isn't as offensive as some, and certainly the person has a right to post it. But that doesn't make it funny for all.

Humor is subjective. Myself, I didn't find it funny but I also didn't find it too offensive as the faces were blotted. It is, however, humor at the expense of others - unlike the airline peanuts example - and anytime that's done, there will be a faction of people that take offense to it.

 

[disneymegs]

All those posts came AFTER the one I was responding to. It touched a nerve with me that you were calling people like me out for debating our opinion as being un-Disney, yet you mentioned nothing about the people on the website being laughed at.
Anyway, I'm sure you're a good CM and I'm done debating this topic.

Then I think there was simply a misunderstanding. I don't think sharing your opinion is "un-Disney", I would just rather everyone get along and be happy about the Happiest Place on Earth and share opinions about strategies and how to make the most of their vacations! And even though I didn't mention it, I don't want the guests to be laughed at. Everyone is entitled to do whatever works for them and makes their vacations easier, as long as it's not breaking any rules. An end to the debate is a welcome relief!

 

[maxiesmom]

Disney has the following sentence in each ticket sale:
"The owners of the Walt Disney World® Resort reserve the right to refuse admittance to any person or persons."

They don't need a reason, it isn't limited by time (ie, you could be refused admittance after being in the park 6 hours) and it is solely WDW's right - meaning they alone can exercise it. A management employee acts as an agent of the owners of WDW resort in excercising the right and can also thus choose NOT to excercise the right if the guest decides to fix the situation, including the deletion of photos.

In fact, Disney probably coaches managers to find ways to fix the situation before kicking the person out. This shows a reasonable want by Disney to NOT exercise the right - and thus if the person ever sued Disney, they'd have even less of a case. The reason this is important is two-fold:
1. While Disney has the right to kick out a guest, and would likely win a lawsuit, it is still costly to fight it.
2. A person could turn an expulsion into a case of discrimination. By Disney presenting the conditions under which a guest may remain in the parks (for instance, by deleting photos), they are clearing showing that the expulsion is NOT about discrimination or some other illegal reason.

The problem I have with this is that it leaves to much in question. And way too much up to the mood or feelings of individual CMs. There should be black and white policies for guests to follow. Not, well CM Chuck is having a bad day, so he runs around making decisions based (at least in part) on that, and not on any actual rules or policies.

Is it actually taught somewhere that people are not allowed to take pictures of other peoples children? Or is it just a something that occured to someone one fine day, and they decided to make it a rule? Again, it is not something I would do. But how is any park visitor supposed to just know what all the rules are, save being lectured by a CM after the fact?

Disney has a hard time enforcing policies that are in black and white. DSAs anyone? Or no skates in the park? Letting them run around and kind of making things up as they go seems like asing for trouble. And a bit stupid, to be quite frank.

 

[onnawufei]

The thing that cracks me up is their tweet:

"When I have a baby of my own, it will be strapped to me as an infant..."

I find it highly amusing the owner of this website doesn't even have kids of their own, yet judges the parenting of others. While I don't agree with bigger kids in strollers, they aren't MY kids, so who the heck cares what I think?

See, you took that completely out of context. The tweet said:

"when i have a baby of my own, it will be strapped to me as an infant, and then it will be walking. no middle ground."

Which I'm pretty sure anyone can tell is a joke. 'Cause y'know... crawling. Yeah. Way to twist the words the way you wanted them though! "A" for effort!

Let's see... I was raised to enjoy life and find laughter all around me. I also wasn't pushed in a stroller after I was 4 years old. I spent my free time outside playing and climbing trees instead of inside in front of a tv, I was spanked if I misbehaved (which was not very often). Nothing was ever given to me, I had to earn it. If I got dirty, my mom didn't freak out and drown me with antibacterial gel. If I got hurt, my parents made sure I was okay and didn't just take my word for it. I started working when I was 15 and managed to get good grades and be involved in extra curricular activities. I never smoked, drank, or did drugs.

I'm pretty happy with how I turned out. And I hope my kids end up just like me.

Agreeing with this!

She probably uses a spoon or a belt as well. Advocates of delayed punishment say when you beat your child you shouldn't use your hand or it can get confusing for the kid.

So the idea is calmy explain to the child they are being beaten for acting up at the store today, take out the spoon or belt, administer said beating, and then perhaps pray with the child or express love.

"when you beat your child"? "being beaten for acting up"? Melodrama much?



PS - I don't think people who are going to judge someone are going to judge the children, so chill. They aren't the ones who bought/rented/whatever the stroller.

PPS - You can't make fun of this post because I might have a disability.

 

[HeidiLowe]

OK, that first picture on the website of the toddler in the infant carrier is just FUNNY!

As for the rest, I don't think they're that funny because for the most part the kids just a little too big to be in a stroller. Now if there was a 15 year old in a stroller, THAT would be funny.

 

[disneymegs]

The problem I have with this is that it leaves to much in question. And way too much up to the mood or feelings of individual CMs. There should be black and white policies for guests to follow. Not, well CM Chuck is having a bad day, so he runs around making decisions based (at least in part) on that, and not on any actual rules or policies.

Is it actually taught somewhere that people are not allowed to take pictures of other peoples children? Or is it just a something that occured to someone one fine day, and they decided to make it a rule? Again, it is not something I would do. But how is any park visitor supposed to just know what all the rules are, save being lectured by a CM after the fact?

Disney has a hard time enforcing policies that are in black and white. DSAs anyone? Or no skates in the park? Letting them run around and kind of making things up as they go seems like asing for trouble. And a bit stupid, to be quite frank.

Black and white policies are impossible, because what if someone does something horrific that whoever wrote the black and white policies didn't think of? You're making it sound like all 60,000+ CM's reserve the right to throw a guest out. It's not that simple. Managers and security are in place for a reason. We warn people not to take pictures of individual children without parental consent at the BBB, so yes the guests are aware of the rule. Obviously Disney does a good job of regulating things, so I don't see why it needs to be debated.

 

[brunette8706]

To be clear - Disney has the right to kick a person out of the park. Disney also has the right to call the police. To prevent those things from happening, a Disney guest has the right to do what they want to prevent being kicked out or having the police called, including deleting photos off their camera.

If a Disney guest excerises their right to not adjust their camera (or whatever other adjustment would right the situation in Disney's eyes) - then Disney may excercise their right to expel the person, call the police, or other measures within their power - and maybe all of them.

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ON what cause? Because the photographer took a picture of a say, castle and a little kid was in the picture? This makes no sense at all! What grounds would Disney have to take the paying guest out of the park? I can see if they were doing something illegal, shop lifting or being dis-orderly. But to expel a person from a park for taking a photo of a child? LOL!

 

[Wadecool]

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ON what cause? Because the photographer took a picture of a say, castle and a little kid was in the picture? This makes no sense at all! What grounds would Disney have to take the paying guest out of the park? I can see if they were doing something illegal, shop lifting or being dis-orderly. But to expel a person from a park for taking a photo of a child? LOL!

Oh boy! I am just finishing up going through 1500 pictures from our trip last week and I bet I've got at least 500 pictures with someone else's child in the shot. I guess I was really lucky I didn't get booted out on my ear, huh.

 

[brunette8706]

Oh boy! I am just finishing up going through 1500 pictures from our trip last week and I bet I've got at least 500 pictures with someone else's child in the shot. I guess I was really lucky I didn't get booted out on my ear, huh.

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[designermv]

I'm pretty sure the Disney folks can tell the difference between a family taking photos of their own kids and some random dude who waltzes into the BBB on his OWN and starts photographing kids. No one said that they're going to ask you to delete photos just because someone else's kids *happen* to be in the background. It's taking photos distinctly of children who are obviously NOT your own that is occasionally cracked down on.