Too big for stroller--the website

[maxiesmom]

I forgot to add earlier that if we see someone taking pictures of a child that isn't their's without the parents' consent, a manager can have that guest delete the photos.

I don't think that is correct. From what I have learned on other posts, you have no expectation of privacy in a theme park. You are out and about in public, and cannot demand that someone delete pictures of you or your family if they happen to take them. Kind of like how celebrities cannot demand their pictures not be taken. If you don't want someone taking pictures of your child, you will have to go the Michael Jackson route.

 

[jayandstacey]

I just think it should be put this way: If you need a stroller for your kid get one that fits, don't shove a 8 year old in a tiny baby stroller! I do wish disney would allow wagons in bigger parks like epoct .

A sleeping 8 year old fits perfectly in a double Disney stroller. They're pretty much made that way, where there aren't actually two distinct seats, rather one big one big enough for two small or one big kid.

 

[Lisa x]

If you don't want someone taking pictures of your child, you will have to go the Michael Jackson route.

I dont envy that poor child......especially in the July/August heat....

 

[tony609]

People in the background of photos is to be expected. BUT taking a close up of another persons child, or anyone for the sole purpose of posting online to be laughed at and ridiculed is just mean spirited. If the people posting the photos think it's a great idea then why not ask the parents of the child, or that person they want to take a picture of, in the stroller etc..and tell them what it is for..oh wait...I bet they never do because the person taking the photo is a coward hiding behind their camera.

 

[jayandstacey]

There is no strategy offered here. The whole point of posting the link was to create laughter (for some) and cause a great debate. NO Strategy about getting one, or even asking a question about getting one was posted in the ORIGINAL post. So, no it's not a theme park strategy. So now someone will post something about stroller strategy and validate it. But in the grand scheme of things who really cares what others do on this topic. It's not my famly/not my business. I am just pointing out this thread belongs on a different board.

You're right - the original post didn't have a direct strategy or attraction element. But that's true of other threads here and to me I'd classify it as commentary on a strategy. Very indirect, yes...

The other boards tend to be 'buckets' to hold more specific information. So I'm not sure where else it would go. There are a few possible places but none seem particularly better vs. here.

 

[jayandstacey]

People in the background of photos is to be expected. BUT taking a close up of another persons child, or anyone for the sole purpose of posting online to be laughed at and ridiculed is just mean spirited. If the people posting the photos think it's a great idea then why not ask the parents of the child, or that person they want to take a picture of, in the stroller etc..and tell them what it is for..oh wait...I bet they never do because the person taking the photo is a coward hiding behind their camera.

Agreed - masking out the faces probably keeps it technically legal, but it is tasteless. And the coward probably was never behind the camera, instead they are probably surfing through publicly posted family photos while stepping back yet another level and expecting like-minded folks to submit the photos they find

 

[designermv]

Agreed - masking out the faces probably keeps it technically legal, but it is tasteless. And the coward probably was never behind the camera, instead they are probably surfing through publicly posted family photos while stepping back yet another level and expecting like-minded folks to submit the photos they find

Yes, especially since Laura Miller, the author, is childless and lives in Manhattan. I'm guessing she doesn't spend a whole lot of time prowling around Disney World, where most of her photos seem to be taken.

I think I'll start a blog called Smug Judgemental People. I'll just take photos of people whom I presume to be getting their knickers in a twist over things that don't concern them. Then I'll post them on the internet with "funny" captions.

 

[tony609]

Agreed - masking out the faces probably keeps it technically legal, but it is tasteless. And the coward probably was never behind the camera, instead they are probably surfing through publicly posted family photos while stepping back yet another level and expecting like-minded folks to submit the photos they find

I never thought about that, BUT you are probably right. There are tons of photo sites and many don't make their photos private, or evenlimit them to famly and friends. I have a flickr account and pretty much limit mine to famly and friends.

 

[disneymegs]

So I can request that people get out of the way of my photo of the castle, etc, since I'm not allowed to take pics of their kids? I'm finding it very hard to believe that anyone can make me delete photos from my personal camera, as that would be an invasion of my privacy. I could be removed from the park, that is Disney's right, but then they would have the burden of proof that I did something wrong when they were taken to court. They would not have the right to have access to my camera while I was in the park. I don't think a security guard would even have that right, as that would involve search and seizure, which is not in their jurisdiction. A police officer could, but a Disney security guard could not.

No, taking a picture of a crowd of people wasn't what I was referring to. A creepy guy walking into BBB and taking a pic of one little girl that he doesn't know without the parent's consent is what I'm referring to. Believe what you want, but I've seen my manager look over the man's shoulder as he deleted every photo of the individual girls. It's not like they take your camera and do it, they watch you delete them. Individual kids, not crowds. At Disney it is safety first, and keeping creepsters from photographing little girls is safety. Doubt all you want, but I really have no reason to make this kind of thing up.

 

[disneymegs]

I don't think that is correct. From what I have learned on other posts, you have no expectation of privacy in a theme park. You are out and about in public, and cannot demand that someone delete pictures of you or your family if they happen to take them. Kind of like how celebrities cannot demand their pictures not be taken. If you don't want someone taking pictures of your child, you will have to go the Michael Jackson route.

Like I said, if someone takes a picture of a child without the parent's consent, a manger can ask the guest to delete the photos and will watch the guest delete every last one. It's not when someone takes a picture and you're accidentally in the background. I really don't understand what makes people jump on every single post in this thread. I've seen it done and I mentioned it to bring a little peace of mind.

 

[maxiesmom]

Like I said, if someone takes a picture of a child without the parent's consent, a manger can ask the guest to delete the photos and will watch the guest delete every last one. It's not when someone takes a picture and you're accidentally in the background. I really don't understand what makes people jump on every single post in this thread. I've seen it done and I mentioned it to bring a little peace of mind.

Because I still cannot see Disney getting involved. The CMs do not have the right to take your camera, and delete pictures off of it as they choose. And I can easily see how their attempting to do so would casue a huge scene, which is something they usually avoid at all costs.

I'm not sure who your manager is, but I'm pretty sure his is over-stepping his legal boundries with that one. And if someone chose to, they could cause quite a fuss over it. Again, it is not illegal to take pictures of people when they are out in public.

I'm not saying that I don't think it is a bit odd to take a bunch of pics of someone else's child. Because I think it is a little odd. But that doesn't give Disney the right to take anyone's camera and make them delete pictures. And I'd like to see where in the CM manual it states it is ok to do so.

 

[Brian Noble]

This site appears to have a summary of the legal issues:
http://photorights.org/faq/4

More broadly: For the most part, I suspect that most children without some health or mobility issue are more able to make it through a day in the theme parks than their parents. We kiboshed the strollers for our own children when they each turned five. They were never the worse for wear, at Disney or any other amusement park, and even that might have been longer in the stroller than strictly necessary. So, I confess that I'm in the you-don't-need-a-stroller-for-your-seven-year-old camp.

That said, there is no way to interpret the linked site as "funny". It's pure snark. You can laugh along if you want, but that's not the same as "funny".

 

[Mama Who]

Yes. I have kids, a 9 and 12 year old. They are perfectly capable of walking through Disney and have for years.

Amen.

And since I've seen a number of posters complain about "making fun of the children" I promise you, when I think having a 9 year old in a stroller is ridiculous, it isn't the 9 year old I'm laughing at.

 

[disneymegs]

Because I still cannot see Disney getting involved. The CMs do not have the right to take your camera, and delete pictures off of it as they choose. And I can easily see how their attempting to do so would casue a huge scene, which is something they usually avoid at all costs.

I'm not sure who your manager is, but I'm pretty sure his is over-stepping his legal boundries with that one. And if someone chose to, they could cause quite a fuss over it. Again, it is not illegal to take pictures of people when they are out in public.

I just said we don't take the camera! The managers ask them to delete them and they watch. Believe it or not, Disney has policies that managers abide by. Several managers have done it before because we can't allow creepy guys to take pictures of dressed up little girls without the parent's consent. It doesn't cause a scene at all because they handle it very well. Usually the guest who took the pictures didn't realize they were doing something wrong and gladly delete the photos. We always tell people without princesses in the both BBB's that they can take pictures of the boutique as a whole but they cannot zoom in on individual princesses. If you've ever been to BBB, especially at MK, without a princess you have probably heard this before. It's a rule like any other rule at Disney.

 

[disneymegs]

Because I still cannot see Disney getting involved. The CMs do not have the right to take your camera, and delete pictures off of it as they choose. And I can easily see how their attempting to do so would casue a huge scene, which is something they usually avoid at all costs.

I'm not sure who your manager is, but I'm pretty sure his is over-stepping his legal boundries with that one. And if someone chose to, they could cause quite a fuss over it. Again, it is not illegal to take pictures of people when they are out in public.

I'm not saying that I don't think it is a bit odd to take a bunch of pics of someone else's child. Because I think it is a little odd. But that doesn't give Disney the right to take anyone's camera and make them delete pictures. And I'd like to see where in the CM manual it states it is ok to do so.

Ah, I see you added a little bit. Every Disney rule is not in the "manual". It's something you learn while on the job. I understand it's unlikely to happen out and about it the parks, but in the BBB a manager can request that a guest delete photos of child that isn't their's if the parent didn't give them consent and isn't happy about it.

 

[jayandstacey]

This site appears to have a summary of the legal issues:
http://photorights.org/faq/4

You've got me thinking about looking up the actual law. While this site might be good for guideline purposes, ultimately the law is what matters.

Also, note that Disney is not a public place, it is private property. Buying a ticket and entering the park makes a person subject to Disney's rules and regulations in addition to whatever legal rights or obligations the person (and Disney) may have. It has been a while since I looked at those Disney regulations, however I'm quite sure that Disney provides itself VERY broad rights to expel a person from the property without refund if Disney finds the person's actions to be not to Disney's liking.

Note that Disney asking a person to delete photos is merely a way of saying: "You have two options: leave, or delete photos" in which case the person may VOLUNTARILY choose to delete the photos. That's key - Disney can't make a person delete photos - but the person risks involuntary expulsion, which is always within Disney rights and thus agrees to delete.

 

[jayandstacey]

Ah, I see you added a little bit. Every Disney rule is not in the "manual". It's something you learn while on the job. I understand it's unlikely to happen out and about it the parks, but in the BBB a manager can request that a guest delete photos of child that isn't their's if the parent didn't give them consent and isn't happy about it.

Exactly right. See my post above for the reason why this is.

 

[YodaGirl]

I would say that the community board would be a more appropriate area.

You're right - the original post didn't have a direct strategy or attraction element. But that's true of other threads here and to me I'd classify it as commentary on a strategy. Very indirect, yes...

The other boards tend to be 'buckets' to hold more specific information. So I'm not sure where else it would go. There are a few possible places but none seem particularly better vs. here.

 

[jayandstacey]

I'm not saying that I don't think it is a bit odd to take a bunch of pics of someone else's child. Because I think it is a little odd. But that doesn't give Disney the right to take anyone's camera and make them delete pictures. And I'd like to see where in the CM manual it states it is ok to do so.

To be clear - Disney has the right to kick a person out of the park. Disney also has the right to call the police. To prevent those things from happening, a Disney guest has the right to do what they want to prevent being kicked out or having the police called, including deleting photos off their camera.

If a Disney guest excerises their right to not adjust their camera (or whatever other adjustment would right the situation in Disney's eyes) - then Disney may excercise their right to expel the person, call the police, or other measures within their power - and maybe all of them.

 

[YodaGirl]

If Wal-Mart can make creeps delete pictures of individuals from their cameras (and they can and have), then there is no reason why Disney can't do the same.

FWIW, I know a woman whose family was on a ride that broke down. On their way out the back way, she took a picture. CMs saw, had her show them the picture with the purpose of her deleting said picture. So, yes, it is possible for Disney to do so. I'd imagine that having guests delete pictures of specifically targeted children would fall under the guidelines of protecting their guests.