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[disneymegs]

Actually, I believe what the CM poster said was that any CM who feels that the safety of a guest is at risk (yes, that includes strangers taking pictures of children), can contact a manager or Disney security. The manager or security CM can - and has - asked the guest to see pictures and delete any that were targeting children.

Perhaps it would have been best if the CM poster had been clearer, but when you read all of her posts, that is the impression that is left...not that rogue CMs are wandering through the parks attempting to confiscate guests' cameras.

Thank you, and I do apologize for not being clearer. I didn't realize I'd have to break it down 100% because everyone would jump on me about it. Thanks for understand though!

 

[mom2rtk]

What sense of entitlement? The entitlement of an opinion? Looks like yours is lost, because not all CM's follow this so called rule. Again, it does not hold water. If this were in fact true then most people with cameras, who in fact shoot pictures of various character's, people, theme's would be "expelled" from the parks. Gasp, if they zoom in on anything

No. The sense of entitlement that if someone wants to take a picture of someone else's child (as the SUBJECT of the photo) then they should be able to.

And I think they handle it just fine. I like that Disney is a photography-friendly place. But I like that they have the DISCRETION to do something about taking pictures of other people's kids when it's appropriate.

 

[Wadecool]

Because, according to some previous posters, any CM can decide to enforce that particular rule, or not to, depending on their mood. You were just lucky enough to get a bunch of CMs who didn't care. But if they had cared, you would have been in big trouble!

That is the problem I have with so many of the previous posts. The arbitrary way in which some CMs supposedly enforce rules only know to them. Makes no sense. Unless a CM questions you to begin with, they have no way of knowing if you are related to said child or not. I find the notion that CMs walk around looking for people taking bootleg pictures to be beyond ridiculous.

I would agree with you that these "set in stone" policies at WDW are not handled by all CM's to the same degree. Reminds me of a conversation I had with the guard at the Poly last Tuesday night. ME: After our dinner at Ohana, can we leave our car here and go tour MK even though we'll be here for more than the 3 hour limit? HIM: Yes, of course you can, just hop on the monorail.

 

[tony609]

Well said! Most people will gladly delete the photos because they didn't think of it as wrong when they took them. And honestly most parents will say yes when people ask if they can take a picture of their princess, but for the few people who don't ask and the parents don't like it, a manager will find the guest and ask that they delete all photos of the individual princess. It would be impossible for Disney to have everything that they could possibly escort a guest off property for doing in writing. I'm sure it's subjective.

I would say no . No one but family/ friends need a pic of my littleprincess. Co- workers agree. Because once some touring know has it who knows what it could be used for.

 

[disneymegs]

Because, according to some previous posters, any CM can decide to enforce that particular rule, or not to, depending on their mood. You were just lucky enough to get a bunch of CMs who didn't care. But if they had cared, you would have been in big trouble!

That is the problem I have with so many of the previous posts. The arbitrary way in which some CMs supposedly enforce rules only know to them. Makes no sense. Unless a CM questions you to begin with, they have no way of knowing if you are related to said child or not. I find the notion that CMs walk around looking for people taking bootleg pictures to be beyond ridiculous.

Assuming you are referring to me as the "previous poster", I'd like to say a few things. It's not about a CM's mood, it's about making a judgement call and doing the right thing. Sure, we can't tell every time, but when it's obvious we can certainly let a manager know! If a certain guest come into the BBB and obviously takes a picture of a young princess, walks out, and the parents of the princess look puzzled, then we can do something. It's not always so obvious though, so no we can't enforce it 100% of the time. I'm not sure what you have against CM's, but it seems like you're really looking down on anyone who works for Disney. Personally, I am very proud to work for the Mouse and I truly do love my job and everything that comes with it. I will always be cautious and protect the rights of a guest. I shouldn't have even brought this subject up given the track record of blunt, cut-throat attitudes in this thread. I just thought it would bring peace of mind to those who were horrified at the photos on the website that originally started this ridiculously long thread of an argument. I apologize for not breaking everything down 100% for everyone, and if you misunderstood what I was trying to say then the point was moot. I don't know how it works in the parks, or if it even does, but in the BBB that is what happens and I've witnessed it firsthand, and I've also been the one to get a manger involved before. It's not overstepping if the parent's didn't give consent. NO ONE touches the guest's camera, the manager simply asks to see them delete the photo. Also, just because a guest paid to get in doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. A ticket doesn't give you the right to do things like that. Another disclaimer, we don't care if a few random kids are in the background of your castle picture. It's the same if you took your kids out to Chucky Cheese and some random kids were in the background of your pictures. It's a big deal if you single out a stranger's kid without their consent. It's wrong in any situation. To sum it up, I regret bringing this topic into light in the first place, I apologize for not being 100% clear, and I'm just a CM trying to do my job and make magic for every guest every day. If you have a problem with a CM like me, you must not have a very nice time when you visit Disney, and that's sad. Disney is meant to be enjoyed. Thanks.

 

[Pirate Jeff]

No. The sense of entitlement that if someone wants to take a picture of someone else's child (as the SUBJECT of the photo) then they should be able to.

And I think they handle it just fine. I like that Disney is a photography-friendly place. But I like that they have the DISCRETION to do something about taking pictures of other people's kids when it's appropriate.

That is not an entitlement. For crying out loud YOU ARE AT DISNEY WORLD! People take pictures! My wife has taken candid shots of people (adults, children, CM's, etc). I think people are making a big to do about nothing. I guess Disney has the "discretion" to handle a situation on how and what they see fit. But the way some people are going on about this is ludicrous.

 

[disneymegs]

I would say no . No one but family/ friends need a pic of my littleprincess. Co- workers agree. Because once some touring know has it who knows what it could be used for.

I would say no too, I agree 100%. I've just noticed some parents are flattered and say yes. And you're right, it could be used for anything!

 

[maxiesmom]

If you've ever been in that room, you know that it is pretty small and the way it is set up and the way I was positioned, it would have been clear to anyone watching that I was taking photos of one particular girl.

Then you must not have looked like the "creepy guy" DisneyMegs kept referring to.

I feel hugely uncomfortable with any manager anywhere having the ability to enforce or not enforce a rule at their discression. Something either is or isn't a rule. It isn't a rule some of the time, but a rule some of the time too.

How would you feel to be the guest singled out? Is Disney now in the profiling business? The CMs judge you to be "creepy looking" and can therefore CHOOSE to make you delete pictures, just as they could CHOOSE to let non creepy looking guy keep the ones he took?

Any way you look at it, arbitrary enforcement of a rule (if it does indeed exist as a rule) is a bad, bad idea.

 

[Pirate Jeff]

If you've ever been in that room, you know that it is pretty small and the way it is set up and the way I was positioned, it would have been clear to anyone watching that I was taking photos of one particular girl.

Yes, you're right the room is very small. Again the other poster's argument makes no sense.

 

[Pirate Jeff]

Then you must not have looked like the "creepy guy" DisneyMegs kept referring to.

I feel hugely uncomfortable with any manager anywhere having the ability to enforce or not enforce a rule at their discression. Something either is or isn't a rule. It isn't a rule some of the time, but a rule some of the time too.

How would you feel to be the guest singled out? Is Disney now in the profiling business? The CMs judge you to be "creepy looking" and can therefore CHOOSE to make you delete pictures, just as they could CHOOSE to let non creepy looking guy keep the ones he took?

Any way you look at it, arbitrary enforcement of a rule (if it does indeed exist as a rule) is a bad, bad idea.

Maxiesmom

Great analogy. I'm in total agreement with your logic.

 

[disneymegs]

Then you must not have looked like the "creepy guy" DisneyMegs kept referring to.

I feel hugely uncomfortable with any manager anywhere having the ability to enforce or not enforce a rule at their discression. Something either is or isn't a rule. It isn't a rule some of the time, but a rule some of the time too.

How would you feel to be the guest singled out? Is Disney now in the profiling business? The CMs judge you to be "creepy looking" and can therefore CHOOSE to make you delete pictures, just as they could CHOOSE to let non creepy looking guy keep the ones he took?

Any way you look at it, arbitrary enforcement of a rule (if it does indeed exist as a rule) is a bad, bad idea.

I would greatly appreciate if you didn't mock me. I'm giving an example. It's not about just a creepy guy! It's about ANYONE that comes and takes a picture and the parents don't know them or approve. It was an example. I'm not profiling, but you certainly are singling me out. It's a Disney thing and there is really nothing anyone can do about it, and there's nothing left to say. If we see it, we can stop it.

 

[barbarabee]

Hey guys,
My only stroller experience was my own, as a small child. I was born with cerebral palsy. It makes it difficult to walk. I limp. I drag my feet. I tire easily. My hips and back get sore. My feet go numb. I am SO grateful that my parents refused to let me keep using a stroller once I was in kindergarten. I learned to be self sufficient. To be thankful for what I can do. I would beg for a stroller. Cry. Throw a tantrum (ask my brothers, I was very skillful). But my parents wouldn't budge. The response was, "If you can't walk anymore, than I guess it's time to go back to the hotel." And my parents would stick to it. It was inconvenient for the whole family, because I walked much slower than them. And, I always had to deal with people staring at me because I walked funny. The lessons learned by my whole family were much greater than they would have been if my parents had chosen the easy route and stuck me in a stroller. My brothers learned to be patient. I learned to accept my disability. Things worth doing are never easy. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now. And I'm just one child in one family, I know there are a million other stories out there. Just thought I'd share.

 

[brunette8706]

I would greatly appreciate if you didn't mock me. I'm giving an example. It's not about just a creepy guy! It's about ANYONE that comes and takes a picture and the parents don't know them or approve. It was an example. I'm not profiling, but you certainly are singling me out. It's a Disney thing and there is really nothing anyone can do about it, and there's nothing left to say. If we see it, we can stop it.

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You're kidding right? You just mocked her and made a judgement call about her in a previous post. Her not liking CMs, her not having fun at Disney. As Pirate Jeff stated the Hypocracy is very much astounding.

 

[bigwino]

I read through some of this thread (cannot possibly stomach reading all of it).

Just want to say thanks to Disneymegs -- for most, it's pretty clear that the policy (and your enforcement of it) is solely designed to protect children (which is undisputedly more important than a random guest's right to photograph strangers' children). Thanks for all that you do to make our Disney experience enjoyable, including using your common sense to apply this very logical rule.

Flamers, don't even bother jumping on me for this, to the extent you are so inclined -- consider yourselves "virtually" tuned out by me. This post is only for Disneymegs and any other CM who may have the misfortune of reading parts of this post -- thanks for all you do!!

 

[disneymegs]

Hey guys,
My only stroller experience was my own, as a small child. I was born with cerebral palsy. It makes it difficult to walk. I limp. I drag my feet. I tire easily. My hips and back get sore. My feet go numb. I am SO grateful that my parents refused to let me keep using a stroller once I was in kindergarten. I learned to be self sufficient. To be thankful for what I can do. I would beg for a stroller. Cry. Throw a tantrum (ask my brothers, I was very skillful). But my parents wouldn't budge. The response was, "If you can't walk anymore, than I guess it's time to go back to the hotel." And my parents would stick to it. It was inconvenient for the whole family, because I walked much slower than them. And, I always had to deal with people staring at me because I walked funny. The lessons learned by my whole family were much greater than they would have been if my parents had chosen the easy route and stuck me in a stroller. My brothers learned to be patient. I learned to accept my disability. Things worth doing are never easy. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now. And I'm just one child in one family, I know there are a million other stories out there. Just thought I'd share.

That's a great story and a welcome relief to the nonsense in the last 5 pages or so. Good for you and keep on keepin' on

 

[disneymegs]

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You're kidding right? You just mocked her and made a judgement call about her in a previous post. Her not liking CMs, her not having fun at Disney. As Pirate Jeff stated the Hypocracy is very much astounding.

I didn't say she doesn't have fun at Disney, I said it must not be fun if she doesn't agree with cast members doing their jobs. I'm sorry if you found that to be hypocritical, but I honestly did not mean it to be that way. I just wish people would recognize that all I wanted was to let people know what's up and tell them how we do what we do. I don't think she would like someone taking a picture of her daughter, if she has one. I would defend her kids the same as I would the kids of any other guest.

 

[brunette8706]

Assuming you are referring to me as the "previous poster", I'd like to say a few things. It's not about a CM's mood, it's about making a judgement call and doing the right thing. Sure, we can't tell every time, but when it's obvious we can certainly let a manager know! If a certain guest come into the BBB and obviously takes a picture of a young princess, walks out, and the parents of the princess look puzzled, then we can do something. It's not always so obvious though, so no we can't enforce it 100% of the time. I'm not sure what you have against CM's, but it seems like you're really looking down on anyone who works for Disney. Personally, I am very proud to work for the Mouse and I truly do love my job and everything that comes with it. I will always be cautious and protect the rights of a guest. I shouldn't have even brought this subject up given the track record of blunt, cut-throat attitudes in this thread. I just thought it would bring peace of mind to those who were horrified at the photos on the website that originally started this ridiculously long thread of an argument. I apologize for not breaking everything down 100% for everyone, and if you misunderstood what I was trying to say then the point was moot. I don't know how it works in the parks, or if it even does, but in the BBB that is what happens and I've witnessed it firsthand, and I've also been the one to get a manger involved before. It's not overstepping if the parent's didn't give consent. NO ONE touches the guest's camera, the manager simply asks to see them delete the photo. Also, just because a guest paid to get in doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. A ticket doesn't give you the right to do things like that. Another disclaimer, we don't care if a few random kids are in the background of your castle picture. It's the same if you took your kids out to Chucky Cheese and some random kids were in the background of your pictures. It's a big deal if you single out a stranger's kid without their consent. It's wrong in any situation. To sum it up, I regret bringing this topic into light in the first place, I apologize for not being 100% clear, and I'm just a CM trying to do my job and make magic for every guest every day. If you have a problem with a CM like me, you must not have a very nice time when you visit Disney, and that's sad. Disney is meant to be enjoyed. Thanks.

Why attack the messenger? Maxiesmom for as long as I have been on these boards is very much "PRO-DISNEY". She is so much pro Disney, that at times we have not seen eye to eye. I'm not sure why you are making a judgment call on a person you don't know. It does nothing for your argument. You mention that she has a problem with a CM like you, and that she must not have a very nice time when she visits Disney? I'm even more confused because this has nothing to about the OP posts or the debate.

 

[designermv]

I think the issue here is not solely that strangers are unintentionally photographing other people's kids, it's that it's INTENTIONAL, and it's what they are doing with the photos. Even if you HAVE the "right" to take a photo of someone's kid solely for the purpose of posting it online to mock them, it doesn't mean Disney has to protect that right. It also makes you a jerk. Come on, really. Adults? Fine. But don't bully kids online. We're old enough to know better.

If some dude came up to you (general you, here) at Disney World and aimed a camera at your rack (chest! bosom! breasteses!), would you be happy if you found it on a blog called "Saggy Jugs of Fantasyland?"

I feel like people are being deliberately obtuse here.

I don't think disneymegs has said anything even remotely unreasonable, and she certainly has not implied that Disney CMs are profiling. Give me a break. *I* am the one who used the word creepy, because yes, I do find the idea of a random guy (even a "non-creepy" one) going in to BBB to photograph children very odd. And if this had happened to my daughter while she was in there, I damn sure would have pulled a CM aside. I don't know what parent wouldn't. I'm not a helicopter parent. I have a potty mouth and a filthy sense of humor. Certainly not a prude. But if I'm sitting there watching my girl get her hair and makeup done, and some guy comes up, points a camera at her without asking me, or without explanation? Hell to the no.

 

[disneymegs]

Why attack the messenger? Maxiesmom for as long as I have been on these boards is very much "PRO-DISNEY". She is so much pro Disney, that at times we have not seen eye to eye. I'm not sure why you are making a judgment call on a person you don't know. It does nothing for your argument. You mention that she has a problem with a CM like you, and that she must not have a very nice time when she visits Disney? I'm even more confused because this has nothing to about the OP posts or the debate.

I was simply explaining what she disagreed with because I don't think she understood what I was trying to say, as I said that is partially my fault for not explaining it 100% right off the bat.

 

[disneymegs]

I read through some of this thread (cannot possibly stomach reading all of it).

Just want to say thanks to Disneymegs -- for most, it's pretty clear that the policy (and your enforcement of it) is solely designed to protect children (which is undisputedly more important than a random guest's right to photograph strangers' children). Thanks for all that you do to make our Disney experience enjoyable, including using your common sense to apply this very logical rule.

Flamers, don't even bother jumping on me for this, to the extent you are so inclined -- consider yourselves "virtually" tuned out by me. This post is only for Disneymegs and any other CM who may have the misfortune of reading parts of this post -- thanks for all you do!!

Thank you for recognizing that. I really appreciate all you said, because I was really starting to get frustrated with the attacks. I love all guests and my job and I always will. I think this is my last post in this board. I'm back to the other boards to actually give advice to people willing to listen and not tear me and everyone else down.