Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[amylevan]

Even at $92 for 2 days of perks for a group of 10 is $5 per day...Disney could easily raise ticket prices by this amount. Why would this not be worth participation in EMH, earlier FP+ booking, Disney Transportation, ability to purchase DDP for certain days of the trip...

I realize to each their own, but to us, it wouldn't be worth it.

We don't use EMH.

At the moment, earlier FP+ doesn't seem to be a big deal since same day reservations are available. Not sure what the future holds (potentially even early access for everyone.)

Disney transportation is available to everyone, not just resort guests.

And we definitely don't waste money on the DDP. Cheaper to go OOP for us.

 

[Tramp68]

We don't use EMH.

OK. A personal choice for sure

At the moment, earlier FP+ doesn't seem to be a big deal since same day reservations are available. Not sure what the future holds (potentially even early access for everyone.)

Many have reported headliners having limited or no availability on the day of attendance.

And we definitely don't waste money on the DDP. Cheaper to go OOP for us.

That totally depends on your dining habits. Generally, I agree. But there are situations where it is saving money. By having every other day reservations at a resort, I can decide which days it will benefit me.

I realize to each their own, but to us, it wouldn't be worth it.

Again, it is a personal choice. The debate that has been going on is not if it is worth it or not, but if it is morally correct to book a room and not physically use it.

 

[maybeecatlady]

Disney transportation is available to everyone, not just resort guests.
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Disney transportation is only available to resort guests.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Disney transportation is only available to resort guests.

I am sure that is not only for resort guest. We toured 3 parks in one day last summer and used Disney transportation even though we stayed off-site. The bus drivers never asked for proof of resort stay and neither did the CMs working the monorail from MK to Epoct. There was nothing posted anywhere at any of these stop stating that it was only for resort guest. If it is ONLY for resort guest then Disney is hiding the fact which makes no sense.

ETA: I don't consider Disney transportation a perk.

 

[Minniesgal]

I may be putting words in Plumsiren's mouth, but I think the point she was trying to make is people purchasing a one night stay to receive the perks of an on-site guest when they had no intention of being an on-site guest at all. Doing something just because you can doesn't mean it is right or even okay. The more I read these types of threads (and I know the other Plumsiren is referring to as well) the more I realize there are two very divided camps on this issue. And honestly, I guess I am shocked in a way. The Dis is not exactly the place it once was. I can easily compare the Free Parking just because you are wearing your MB, the throw away room just to receive on site benefits to pool hopping and bringing your old mugs back before the new mug system. Those things used to be shamed. It seems there used to be a bigger difference between right and wrong. We all have different definitions, I get that, but I will sit over here in the 'this just seems wrong to me' corner.

To be honest I really don't see how it can be wrong. If someone is paying for a room for 1 night they have paid for the onsite benefits for that one night whether they sleep there or not. I cannot see how that could be classed as wrong. It is paid for so absolutely they are entitled to whatever that one night is entitled to.

What I do object to is I have read of people booking 1 night to get magic bands and cancelling the room as soon as they arrive. Now that to me is wrong as it gives a benefit not paid for.

 

[Minniesgal]

Just keep in mind that whatever rep you spoke with has no control over what happens once you are actually at the resort. None. Also, I doubt it would happen for a one night stay, Disney has been known to cancel rooms and perks when it seems the room has been abandoned. They know if you are coming and going by your room key. If it shows no activity they can decide the room has been abandoned, pack up any stuff left behind, and re-sell the room. One poster found this out the hard way when they went to use their dining credits and they had been cancelled. Disney reserves the right to cancel your reservation if they find you did anything wrong. I agree to with thinking just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. That whole mentality is pretty horrible. Just because I could go into a store and get away with shoplifting doesn't mean I should. Just because I could probably go 80 down a side street and not get stopped by the cops doesn't mean I should.

There is a big difference between doing something illegal and something that some people just don't like

 

[maybeecatlady]

I am sure that is not only for resort guest. We toured 3 parks in one day last summer and used Disney transportation even though we stayed off-site. The bus drivers never asked for proof of resort stay and neither did the CMs working the monorail from MK to Epoct. There was nothing posted anywhere at any of these stop stating that it was only for resort guest. If it is ONLY for resort guest then Disney is hiding the fact which makes no sense.

ETA: I don't consider Disney transportation a perk.

I know the monorail is available for use by everyone but I was pretty sure that the buses and boats were only for resort guests. While I, personally, do not find Disney transportation in general to be that great, it is a perk because it saves you the $15 parking fee at the parks. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but this has been my understanding for years.

 

[Minniesgal]

I can get a room at Universal for 5 people with my AP discount for $179 a night. With taxes that is $40 per person for 2 days of unlimited express pass and 2 days of early entry to WWoHP You cannot buy the Unlimited Express pass for that money. The cheapest 2 day both parks pass would cost $72 per person for 1 use per ride! That would even justify the cost of a $400 room for 5 people as you are getting early admission and unlimited EP

We did exactly this this summer. We booked a room for two nights to get express pass unlimited a lot cheaper than buying it. However the rooms are really small and we are a family of five so we stayed at our treehouse villa. We saved about $400 over the costs of buying the passes.

 

[notnothin]

I know the monorail is available for use by everyone but I was pretty sure that the buses and boats were only for resort guests. While I, personally, do not find Disney transportation in general to be that great, it is a perk because it saves you the $15 parking fee at the parks. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but this has been my understanding for years.

Anyone is allowed to use Disney transportation. This includes day guests.

 

[OnceUponATime15]

Its extremely unlikely that any hotel, WDW or not, would be at exactly100% occupancy. Anyone who did pay for a room without staying in it would have prevented someone who actually intended to sleep there from doing so.

My using 100% was in reply to another post in this thread that referred to Pop Century being at 100% capacity this week .(reading back always pays off...). If they had said 97% or 21% or zero % that is what I would have written in response.

But... if 100% capacity isn't 100% capacity, I see no worry about someone else getting a room if so desired.

In my original post I was careful not to state an opinion about the use of throwaway rooms.. in the grand scheme of things, it isn't an issue for me. Right or wrong, I stand with neither side.

 

[Minniesgal]

But then why wouldn't you just stay in the Universal Resort room?

We didn't stay in ours because it was absolutely tiny and we have DVC so had a three bedroomed villa to go back to. Staying in the room would have meant my two boys sharing a bed and my daughter sleeping on the floor.

 

[Minniesgal]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Disney transportation is only available to resort guests.

No not true Disney transportation is available to all guests. When you are staying offsite and eating at for example chef mickyes Disney actually advise you to use their transportation

 

[CalvaryMike]

Don't most hotels have an electronic security system that can show which keys opened the door at what times? Not on the individual doors, but in the security office?

No. That would require each door to be either hardwired or some kind of wireless system. That's where the $$$ comes into play. Also, according to BIL, hotels are worried that a wireless system could be hacked too easily. His company is hard wiring new hotels. Older hotels can't be retrofitted with hardwire without an enourmous price tag.

 

[Donnainnj]

We are considering doing this. We are AP holders that have Magic Bands from a trip at Yacht Club in August. This April trip we are planning on bringing DD's (17), boyfriend. He does not have Magic Bands. He will be getting an annual pass. It would be nice if Disney got moving with including offsite AP holders on prearranged FP+, but with the speed things have been going, I don't expect it in time. To stay the entire trip at Disney over Easter we would either have to all stay at one deluxe room, not willing to do that, three rooms, or a 2br Villa. (he would be on couch) Offsite we are in a 3 br 3 bath condo. The condo rents Saturday to Saturday, and we would not be able to get to the area any earlier, so we are not likely to have anyone stay in the room we would get. (although I have considered staying in it myself alone to get some Mommy time, ) We can get a room at Pop for $140+ (ap discoount) the first night. Funny thing is we are staying the last night (the 19th) onsite and he will get a band for that but it will not be active until the end of the trip. (can do one room together one night but not 8)
Donna

 

[Laketravis]

There is a big difference between doing something illegal and something that some people just don't like

If you think there is something inherently "wrong" with the practice and the only reason you can offer as to why is that "Just because you can doesn't mean it's right", then you are restricted solely by your own opinion and are free to not participate in that practice.

I think the case has been sufficiently made that beyond personal opinion there is absolutely nothing "wrong" here. Move along, people....nothing to see......

 

[plumsiren]

Didn't want to leave this thread out, so here's a reminder I just posted on the "Triple Dipping" thread:

Just a public service reminder for those who feel the OP is "abusing" the current rules at Disney:

Don't forget to make your multiple Disney Vacation Contest entries today using all of those extra email addresses!

(And we know who many of you are based on your previous posts on other threads!)

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...........

Oh my GOD what is your deal? Between the two threads you've said like 10 times that people who are judging you for, well, not being a very honest person, are the same ones making multiple entries for some contest, or with Disney to get PINs. Got any proof?

 

[cosmicdaisy]

To be honest I really don't see how it can be wrong. If someone is paying for a room for 1 night they have paid for the onsite benefits for that one night whether they sleep there or not. I cannot see how that could be classed as wrong. It is paid for so absolutely they are entitled to whatever that one night is entitled to.

What I do object to is I have read of people booking 1 night to get magic bands and cancelling the room as soon as they arrive. Now that to me is wrong as it gives a benefit not paid for.

What I have been reading is people paying for one night on site but continuing to use the on site benefits for the remainder of their visit, even though they became off site guests. What I have been reading is people purchasing a one night room only on site stay for the sole purpose of using the benefits currently reserved for on site guests.

 

[Tramp68]

What I have been reading is people paying for one night on site but continuing to use the on site benefits for the remainder of their visit, even though they became off site guests.

I think the discussion went beyond this a long time ago. The current discussion is that it is somehow immoral to pay for a room (or campsite) but not sleep there to get the benefits for those 2 days.

What I have been reading is people purchasing a one night room only on site stay for the sole purpose of using the benefits currently reserved for on site guests.

And by purchasing that one night room they are entitled to 2 days of benefits reserved for onsite guests. (check-in and check-out day)
This is regardless of whether or not I choose to actually reside in the room that night....

 

[cosmicdaisy]

I think the discussion went beyond this a long time ago. The current discussion is that it is somehow immoral to pay for a room (or campsite) but not sleep there to get the benefits for those 2 days.

And by purchasing that one night room they are entitled to 2 days of benefits reserved for onsite guests. (check-in and check-out day)
This is regardless of whether or not I choose to actually reside in the room that night....

That is actually not what I've been discussing at all so maybe a large problem with this whole thread is we are all on several different pages.

 

[nugov2]

What I have been reading is people paying for one night on site but continuing to use the on site benefits for the remainder of their visit, even though they became off site guests. What I have been reading is people purchasing a one night room only on site stay for the sole purpose of using the benefits currently reserved for on site guests.

If they were meant for on site guests for only length of stay WDW policy would state that, like they do for parking, pools, mugs. It does not say that wdw policy is that MB/FP+ is for length of stay only. It says you have to pay for a hotel stay and then access to the MB/FP+ system is for length of TICKET. So if that is the sole reason for the hotel reservation...which 99.9% of the posters have stated is for, then they are within the WDW guidelines. Your opinion on if it is right or wrong doesn't mean that is how WDW feels. Doesn't mean the person is a thief, unethical, entitled or any other name used by posters on this thread b/c it is within their budget to pay for multiple hotel/resorts to get the perks offered for purchasing them and making their vacation more enjoyable. Getting space and luxury while also benefiting from the perks. Why don't you view it as unethical to eat at the resort restaurants or for my kids to participate in the pirate cruise, play in the arcade etc. They are essentially taking a spot of someone from the resort, making that unethical or stealing from a on site guest, right?