Thoughts on why crowds are lower this summer so far??

That must be something relatively new? We went during a very busy time about 5 years ago and never had to get reservations for any of those places. Maybe we were lucky.
Yeah last month we needed reservations for Library of Congress and the Air and Space museum. Don't remember needing one for Natural History. You need them for a number of things now including the Washington Monument (but I think the W.M. has been that way for a while)
 
Agree with all, especially #2- the price for one day park tickets are insane! I know everything is more expensive, but wow …. Sticker shock
Agree with this as well. When I look at what our July trip is costing, I'm starting to wonder if we'll start to go every other year. And we are DVC and have been going since 2010 2-3 times a year. Tickets + cost of Genie has really gone up.
 

The total was 1284.00 for our September dates. If you type AAA Disneyworld tickets you will see the price. Promotion is adult tickets at children's prices.
Last time I checked AAA tickets appeared to have the best prices. Fees were added at checkout. I don't remember if the bottom line price was a dollar more or a dollar less then UT.
 
Most of this has already been said, but here's my list:

1. Cost. I remember just a few years ago that we could get APs for around $700 per person. I think it's double that now.

2. Erosion of perks (free FP+, free airport transportation).

3. Politics. The country is split politically and Disney has made a conscious decision to be inclusive in some ways, but at the cost of being exclusive in other ways. I don't want to get into a political discussion here, but there are people that are turned off to Disney following the whole Desantis fight and other things.

4. There are other options with more value plus post-COVID travel is over.

5. Recent DAS changes may have alienated or discouraged a whole bunch of families from coming.

I don't think it's the heat as it's been surface of the sun hot in central FL JUN-AUG for ages yet people filled the parks in the summer. To my points about cost and other options, even Universal APs are much cheaper than WDW APs. For those in or associated with the military, the cost is even lower. You can get a Universal AP for around $200.
 
To my points about cost and other options, even Universal APs are much cheaper than WDW APs.
Universal AP  has to be cheaper because it only gives you access to two parks, so in theory it should be half the cost of a WDW AP.

We're AP holders at both Disney and Universal and we're aware of their fees. You're not giving a fair comparison.
 
I don't think it's the heat as it's been surface of the sun hot in central FL JUN-AUG for ages yet people filled the parks in the summer.
Not sure about park tickets, but summer has been the cheapest time for hotels (at least for us) in the past 15 years. Lower attendance in the summer is nothing new, but for some reason it has been flipped into a weird narrative.
 
Universal AP  has to be cheaper because it only gives you access to two parks, so in theory it should be half the cost of a WDW AP.

We're AP holders at both Disney and Universal and we're aware of their fees. You're not giving a fair comparison.
As a holder of both - do you think Universal has the same frequent "visit-ability" as WDW? For instance, i don't think I have ever heard of people heading to one of the UO parks for dinner, yet we do that often with Epcot, between the many restaurants and the festivals.

And could that be a reason for the lower cost at UO - AP's just visit UO less overall. Given daily rates are similar, it would make sense.
 
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Not sure about park tickets, but summer has been the cheapest time for hotels (at least for us) in the past 15 years. Lower attendance in the summer is nothing new, but for some reason it has been flipped into a weird narrative.
Maybe it is worse this summer.
 
As a holder of both - do you think Universal has the same frequent "visit-ability" as WDW? For instance, i don't think I have ever heard of people heading to one of the UO parks for dinner, yet we do that often with Epcot, between the many restaurants and the festivals.
Oh gosh, no! We have never gone into a Universal park just for the purpose of dining.
 
Universal AP  has to be cheaper because it only gives you access to two parks, so in theory it should be half the cost of a WDW AP.

We're AP holders at both Disney and Universal and we're aware of their fees. You're not giving a fair comparison.
Plus, I've already posted the thrill data blog which shows wait times at Universal are down roughly the same amount as well. So all the finger pointing at things specific to Disney seem to be misguided.
 
Most of this has already been said, but here's my list:

1. Cost. I remember just a few years ago that we could get APs for around $700 per person. I think it's double that now.

2. Erosion of perks (free FP+, free airport transportation).

3. Politics. The country is split politically and Disney has made a conscious decision to be inclusive in some ways, but at the cost of being exclusive in other ways. I don't want to get into a political discussion here, but there are people that are turned off to Disney following the whole Desantis fight and other things.

4. There are other options with more value plus post-COVID travel is over.

5. Recent DAS changes may have alienated or discouraged a whole bunch of families from coming.

I don't think it's the heat as it's been surface of the sun hot in central FL JUN-AUG for ages yet people filled the parks in the summer. To my points about cost and other options, even Universal APs are much cheaper than WDW APs. For those in or associated with the military, the cost is even lower. You can get a Universal AP for around $200.
Almost all of your points imply that this is something unique to Disney but that is not born out by the data. Wait times are down at Universal as well, which means it's a broader trend, rather than the result of any specific decisions made my Disney parks management.
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In 2017 a 1-day WDW ticket cost a max of $124. this year they go as high as $189. that's a 52.5% increase over the same time period. At WDW, children as young as 10 pay the adult price, and children ages 3-9 cost almost the same as an adult: $184. No exemptions for disabled guests. Can you even imagine that?
And let's not forget that in 2017 FP+ was included with your admission. If you want the same FP-type experience, you would need to add the price of Genie+ and one ILL to the $189 for an equal comparison.
 
Oh gosh, no! We have never gone into a Universal park just for the purpose of dining.
CityWalk has better restaurants, so we don't feel the need to go into the parks to eat. When we had APs at Disney, we liked the idea of going to EPCOT for dinner, but the reality is that it takes too much effort to get into the park just to eat at a restaurant. At least Universal's security line is fast and their walk from the shaded parking garage to CityWalk has lots of those people movers. If I wanted to go to Mythos for dinner, it wouldn't be a much longer walk to go into the park. I would be surprised that people are going to the Disney parks just to dine if they weren't already on property.
 
As a holder of both - do you think Universal has the same frequent "visit-ability" as WDW? For instance, i don't think I have ever heard of people heading to one of the UO parks for dinner, yet we do that often with Epcot, between the many restaurants and the festivals.

And could that be a reason for the lower cost at UO - AP's just visit UO less overall. Given daily rates are similar, it would make sense.
I will add that we do go to Universal just to see the Mardi Gras parade, Halloween decorations, and the Macy's Christmas parade. Going to concerts is also a lot easier at Universal than seeing the ones at EPCOT.
 
Universal and Disney offer different products. Some may prefer one over another, but they're not interchangeable. I'm bringing a few young relatives to Orlando for the fist time this month. They specifically want to see Harry Potter, Star Wars, and Avatar. Thankfully, I'm not anti-Disney, hence these kids won't have to endure a false lecture on why they should skip SW and Avatar because HP is superior. Likewise, I won't tell them to skip Jurassic Park because Dino-Land will suffice.
 
CityWalk has better restaurants, so we don't feel the need to go into the parks to eat. When we had APs at Disney, we liked the idea of going to EPCOT for dinner, but the reality is that it takes too much effort to get into the park just to eat at a restaurant. At least Universal's security line is fast and their walk from the shaded parking garage to CityWalk has lots of those people movers. If I wanted to go to Mythos for dinner, it wouldn't be a much longer walk to go into the park. I would be surprised that people are going to the Disney parks just to dine if they weren't already on property.
We probably go for a meal at Epcot an average of a once or twice a month, especially if there is a concert we want to see. Don't find getting in a problem at all, later in the day (on a weekday), parking is close enough to walk and never a security line.

City Walk certainly has plenty of places to eat but you don't need an AP to get there (that was my point, less use of an AP for things like dinner).
 
Almost all of your points imply that this is something unique to Disney but that is not born out by the data. Wait times are down at Universal as well, which means it's a broader trend, rather than the result of any specific decisions made my Disney parks management.
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Thanks for the graph! Where are these data from?

People can speculate and cite anecdotal observations all they want. But I agree that this graph, if accurate, dispels that idea that people are foregoing WDW in favor of UO.

Now, the argument could still be made that Disney's policies are hurting the Orlando tourism industry in general, and that's causing wait times to decrease everywhere, including UO, but that contradicts other comments about MCO being extremely busy....so who knows?
 












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