The Vaccine Discussion Thread

[Intr3pid]

Pfizer and BioNTech announce their new vaccine as having a 90%+ efficacy. Compare that with the flu vaccine whose efficacy has eroded to about 60% or less in the overall population.

Two doses are needed per person, and protection from COVID is achieved about a month after the first dose.

This vaccine will have limited availability starting December 2020 and wide availability by the third quarter of 2021. They are expecting to produce 1.3 billion doses in all of 2021, which means there will not be enough for everyone next year. We will need the other vaccine candidates to also come through if we are to innoculate most of the population on the planet.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/cov...ercent-effective-in-preventing-infection.html

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Moderna vaccine is also reporting 95% efficacy:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/moderna-vaccine-covid19-coronavirus-early-results
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AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine came in at about 70% efficacy, but they believe that can be approved with changes in dosing and timing:

https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...ne-compare-with-pfizer-biontech-idUSL1N2JA21V
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Russia's Sputnik vaccine is also reportedly coming in at 95% efficacy:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ta-on-sputnik-covid-vaccine-shows-95-efficacy
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China's Sinopharm's vaccine is being rolled out with nearly an 80% efficacy:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/30/asia/china-sinopharm-vaccine-efficacy-intl-hnk/index.html
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Novavax's vaccine results are at 89% (against the wild version of the virus):

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/cov...vaccine-is-more-than-89percent-effective.html
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J&J's vaccine has an overall efficacy of 66% but with just one shot:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/29/cov...t-in-the-us-but-less-effective-elsewhere.html
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[sabrecmc]

Certainly sounds promising! I believe a number of other vaccine candidates are based on a similar vaccine process, so it bodes well for those, too. It's nice to see some good news and potentially a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[sethschroeder]

Just in time for 2022 like I have been thinking to be more back to normal.

 

[FireflyTrance]

It's 90% effective based on the relatively small group of people that have contracted COVID (94 people). It sounds promising so I am cautiously optimistic, but I think we still have to wait and see.

 

[Starwind]

While this is good early news, some things to keep in mind:

Per https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pfiz...gnals-covid-19-vaccine-is-effective-1.5794899 :

- This interim analysis, from an independent data monitoring board, looked at 94 infections recorded so far in a study that has enrolled nearly 44,000 people in the U.S. and five other countries.

- Pfizer doesn't plan to stop its study until it records 164 infections among all the volunteers, a number that the FDA has agreed is enough to tell how well the vaccine is working. The agency has made clear that any vaccine must be at least 50 per cent effective.

- Participants were tested only if they developed symptoms, leaving unanswered whether vaccinated people could get infected but show no symptoms and unknowingly spread the virus.

- the vaccine is administered as two doses, 28 days apart

 

[Brett Wyman]

Now hopefully that Denmark mink mutation goes way.

 

[ofcabbagesandkings]

Great news. I'm hopeful folks 70+ can get it starting in December so that my in-laws will be able to visit us in January.

 

[DynamicDisneyDuo]

I'll be curious to see how long it is actually effective, given the mutations and re-infections that are occurring. Hopefully it is the first step to what I'm sure will be a seasonal vaccination like the flu.

 

[Brett Wyman]

I'll be curious to see how long it is actually effective, given the mutations and re-infections that are occurring. Hopefully it is the first step to what I'm sure will be a seasonal vaccination like the flu.

I agree. Effectiveness will vary each year just like the Flu shot since they'll have to guess which strains are prevalent each year. Hopefully, like the flu shot, it will reduce the severity even if you do get it.

 

[ajo]

Great news. I'm hopeful folks 70+ can get it starting in December so that my in-laws will be able to visit us in January.

Unfortunately, according to the CDC vaccine priorities, those 70+ are scheduled to receive vaccines after healthcare workers, after those in group living situations, and after those with underlying health conditions (asthma, obesity, etc). And regardless, it seems unlikely that very many people will be getting a vaccine in December.

 

[spiders]

I remain optimistic about cruising next fall and remain hopeful for more widespread distribution by June.

But yes, the whole market is doing very well today and particularly anyone involved with tourism or travel. The Dow is coming very close to hitting 30,000.

 

[AquaDame]

Agreed - its already getting to be mid November, and the vaccine has passed a mile stone, but is still a way off from disbursement to the general public. It's time for optimism, but we will not book travel plans yet... the idea of cruising maskless again just got more promising though!

 

[disneyholic family]

Pfizer and BioNTech announce their new vaccine as having a 90%+ efficacy. Compare that with the flu vaccine whose efficacy has eroded to about 60% or less in the overall population.

Two doses are needed per person, and protection from COVID is achieved about a month after the first dose.

This vaccine will have limited availability starting December 2020 and wide availability by the third quarter of 2021. They are expecting to produce 1.3 billion doses in all of 2021, which means there will not be enough for everyone next year. We will need the other vaccine candidates to also come through if we are to innoculate most of the population on the planet.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/cov...ercent-effective-in-preventing-infection.html
And, guess what, cruise stocks soared 30%+ today. Market is calling it the 'light at the end of the tunnel'.

i haven't followed the cruise stocks, but i assume they plummeted before this.
Disney stock also jumped with the announcement.
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[spiders]

i haven't followed the cruise stocks, but i assume they plummeted before this.
Disney stock also jumped with the announcement.
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Yes, despite the massive gains today — Royal, Carnival and Norwegian remain well below pre-pandemic levels. I know RCL was around $130 and is today at $75.

Disney’s stock on the other hand has been more resilient and has almost fully recovered. They’re currently at $142. They opened the year up at $148.

 

[disneyholic family]

Yes, despite the massive gains today — Royal, Carnival and Norwegian remain well below pre-pandemic levels. I know RCL was around $130 and is today at $75.

Disney’s stock on the other hand has been more resilient and has almost fully recovered. They’re currently at $142. They opened the year up at $148.

disney dropped to $79 with the closure. Anyone who bought it then is sitting pretty today.
Actually, anyone who bought in March/April, is doing ok regardless of which stock they threw the dice with.
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[brentm77]

Here is a very optimistic take on the new vaccine. Keep in mind, it may mean other vaccines will be successful and available soon too.

In comments that will come as a massive relief amid the coronavirus crisis, Sir John Bell said that other vaccines were now likely to become available in the near future. ‘I am really delighted with this result – it shows that you can make a vaccine against this little critter. 90% is an amazing level of efficacy,’ he told BBC Radio 4’s The World at One. Asked if people could look forward to a return to normal life by the spring, Sir John, who advises the government, replied: ‘Yes, yes, yes. I am probably the first guy to say that but I will say that with some confidence.’

Available here.

With so many things, I suspect it will take longer than we currently think, but I also think there is a light at the end of the tunnel for resumption of normal life. I personally would feel safe cruising before then, but I don't even want to get into that debate again. If a vaccine gets us to normal, then I will be glad for it.

 

[RamblingMad]

Agreed - its already getting to be mid November, and the vaccine has passed a mile stone, but is still a way off from disbursement to the general public. It's time for optimism, but we will not book travel plans yet... the idea of cruising maskless again just got more promising though!

The last time I cruised without a mask I got the flu. I’m thinking a mask will be a part of my wardrobe during flu season. They’re so stylish.

 

[Intr3pid]

i haven't followed the cruise stocks, but i assume they plummeted before this.
Disney stock also jumped with the announcement.
.

Normally, we stay away from the cruise stocks because we already pour so much of our money into cruising/travel. The diversification angle, you know. But we bought all three - RCL, NCL, and CCL - plus more of Disney in March after those once-in-a-lifetime drops. Not at the ultimate bottom, but close enough.

And the reason we stuck with them through the last 6 months of gut-wrenching volatility was the shareholder benefits. You get OBC just for owning shares (minimum of 100 shares).

See the discussion in this thread:
https://www.disboards.com/threads/rcl-shares.3796097/

 

[o&smom]

Normally, we stay away from the cruise stocks because we already pour so much of our money into cruising/travel. The diversification angle, you know. But we bought all three - RCL, NCL, and CCL - plus more of Disney in March after those once-in-a-lifetime drops. Not at the ultimate bottom, but close enough.

And the reason we stuck with them through the last 6 months of gut-wrenching volatility was the shareholder benefits. You get OBC just for owning shares (minimum of 100 shares).

See the discussion in this thread:
https://www.disboards.com/threads/rcl-shares.3796097/

Does DCL offer an OBC if you own stock.

 

[Intr3pid]

Does DCL offer an OBC if you own stock.

Regrettably no. Disney has 6 times as many shareholders as RCL, so any benefit will be a major cash drain. They do offer collectible stock certificates!