The large number of new Aulani resale contracts??

Eh…. that’s too draconian, IMO.

If I have a room booked but have to cancel last minute its important to me that I could still try to rent the room out to recover some of my money.

I agree with the feeling though.
I really don’t think they should be allowed in the exclusive booking window, and if I was in charge I’d probably prohibit them except within 120 days, maybe 90 days, of check in. But I do buy that there’s a place for them close to check in.
 
Seeing some GF on the market not available with points to use until 2027... Just wow!

Do you think these people have inside information on where annual dues are going? I just can't justify the idea of buying a contract in 2024 that you couldn't access until 2027 (I suppose 2026 with borrowing).
I don't think it's anything dues related for VGF. Maybe for some of the beach resorts but not their WDW flagship.

I think it would be either a renter exiting the game as others have said or someone just fishing trying to flip a contract for cheap or free vacations.

If you find a great deal with full or double points, take a trip that borrows points or transfer the points out, then put it up for sale for around the same price or slightly higher than you bought it for then you can get a year or two of points for cheap. Then repeat

Or maybe it's someone trying to upgrade their resale VGF points to direct Poly and just used all the points they could before selling
 
I really don’t think they should be allowed in the exclusive booking window, and if I was in charge I’d probably prohibit them except within 120 days, maybe 90 days, of check in. But I do buy that there’s a place for them close to check in.

The problem is that there is nothing to support that offering a confirmed reservation vs one on demand changes the nature of renting under your right to do so.

So, just can’t see DVC attempting to define commercial purposes in that way. It would definitely be challenged.
 
The problem is that there is nothing to support that offering a confirmed reservation vs one on demand changes the nature of renting under your right to do so.

So, just can’t see DVC attempting to define commercial purposes in that way. It would definitely be challenged.
I am confident they could figure out a way to do it. Even if it was just refusing to allow outlets like DVCRM and Disboards to use their trademarks (such as all of the resort names) if they don’t comply.
 
I am confident they could figure out a way to do it. Even if it was just refusing to allow outlets like DVCRM and Disboards to use their trademarks (such as all of the resort names) if they don’t comply.

Remember, the rules apply to the owners and whether people agree or not, each of us has certain rights that go along with it…and one is the ability to rent points without needing DVCs approval to do so.

So, they could certainly try to set limits on third party use when renting but that would then apply to all offers, including points. And I don’t see DVC do that and getting into a challenge when there are a lot of things they can put in place that defines commercial purpose strider than they do today.

I get confirmed reservations are things people don’t like but I don’t see how offering it that way vs on demand makes it commercial use of a membershp.

And that is the only thing DVC has the right to do.
 
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Eh…. that’s too draconian, IMO.

If I have a room booked but have to cancel last minute its important to me that I could still try to rent the room out to recover some of my money.

I agree with the feeling though.
I agree. I think allowing renting of some confirmed for those who actually need it is perfectly fine and needed. They could make it harder to rent out confirmed reservations making it less of a desirable option for mass renters. Possibly like when you transfer points you have to call in on a 3 way call correct? Make confirmed reservations to where a call is needed to change the guests on the reservation. Then when you call in to do that they can track how often you have to call in for this and then its an easy way to know who is doing it. If the CM asks standard questions like why cant you make the trip etc it would make the process much more time consuming and uncomfortable and thus less desirable to mass renters.

Mass renters using non confirmed reservations I whole heartedly believe is a completely different thing, whoever wants to rent points from them has to notify them and then they search for the reservation just like any other DVC member, which is more fair, someone is going to own those points no matter what so to me this evens the playing field.

Having a bot secure highly desirable reservations to rent out confirmed is the only problem I see with renting. It should be stopped and it should not be defended.
 
So, they could certainly try to set limits on third party use when renting but that would then apply to all offers, including points. And I don’t see DVC do that and getting into a challenge when there are a lot of things they can put in place that defines commercial purpose strider than they do today
They already set rules for third-party brokers with no written rights to do so, absolutely no reason they couldn’t do the same thing to the rental companies. It doesn’t matter if they have the right to do it to individual owners, if they don’t target the owners. It would reduce confirmed reservations by 99% if you could do them but couldn’t advertise them.
 
Having a bot secure highly desirable reservations to rent out confirmed is the only problem I see with renting. It should be stopped and it should not be defended.
I imagine a recaptcha or similar would help solve this issue? Though I can envision a general uproar and complaints from the population of having yet another annoying step added to the booking process.
 
The system is already complicated with the booking windows, banking windows, holding points, restricted/unrestricted points … imagine trying to explain to a prospective buyer all of those things plus some of these recommendations like having to call in to change guests on reservations….

Add in the additional cost and benefits of people to staff Member Services to handle the additional volume ….
 
The system is already complicated with the booking windows, banking windows, holding points, restricted/unrestricted points … imagine trying to explain to a prospective buyer all of those things plus some of these recommendations like having to call in to change guests on reservations….

Add in the additional cost and benefits of people to staff Member Services to handle the additional volume ….
I think they wouldn’t bother to do many confirmed reservations anymore if they had this hoop to jump through to do them, so it might not add much volume to MS at all. Time is money and they wouldn’t find value in having themselves have to pay someone to make these phone calls. When rental companies like the board sponsor rent out for members, as you know, it’s the members that invest the time of searching for reservations and adding names to the reservation not them if they had to do it they would charge even more if a premium than they already do which would make renting less desirable for all involved. This is likely why these brokers aren’t doing these types of reservations on their own points but rather just doing confirmed ones.
 
They already set rules for third-party brokers with no written rights to do so, absolutely no reason they couldn’t do the same thing to the rental companies. It doesn’t matter if they have the right to do it to individual owners, if they don’t target the owners. It would reduce confirmed reservations by 99% if you could do them but couldn’t advertise them.

Regardless, I think it’s actually very clear that Disney has the right to set reasonable limits on renting that it deems to be beneficial to its members. It very clearly cannot ban renting, but it also can regulate it if it chooses to. Sure David’s or the other ones could sue, but I don’t see them doing much but wasting a lot of money doing so. Other timeshare companies have successfully implemented unreasonable rental restrictions, I see no reason Disney couldn’t implement reasonable ones

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I wonder if some of the big renters on Facebook groups are actually staff at some of the brokers sites.
Not that I have noticed. They tend to use their real names because it is how renters can confirm they own they points and they aren’t getting scammed by checking the comptroller sites.
 
Either way, I hope these points being diffused throughout the market will be a good thing. To me, these products are not supposed to exist for commercial purposes. They are primarily for the enjoyment of members, who, if they don't wish to use their points in a given year, can choose to rent them out.
 
Not that I have noticed. They tend to use their real names because it is how renters can confirm they own they points and they aren’t getting scammed by checking the comptroller sites.

Could the broker not use contracts to transfer large number of points to them. With he staff having a small contract in name. probably a bit conspiracy. But one one group I was on direct owners were referring each other. depending on who might have a confirmed res
 
Remember, the rules apply to the owners and whether people agree or not, each of us has certain rights that go along with it…and one is the ability to rent points without needing DVCs approval to do so.

So, they could certainly try to set limits on third party use when renting but that would then apply to all offers, including points. And I don’t see DVC do that and getting into a challenge when there are a lot of things they can put in place that defines commercial purpose strider than they do today.

I get confirmed reservations are things people don’t like but I don’t see how offering it that way vs on demand makes it commercial use of a membershp.

And that is the only thing DVC has the right to do.
When you have 135 confirmed reservations at AKV and a majority in value rooms and you own thousands of points, that’s how it becomes commercial.
 


















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