The Bachelor-Brad Womack Take 2--Monday, Jan. 3 NO SPOILERS!

[TwinsinCA]

I wondered that too...why can't he move?

They never mentioned his job this season that I can remember. The first season he was on I do remember something about him owning a bar or restaurant or something.

All that therapy and he is even WORSE than he was before. He is inarticulate and completely clueless. The last date with Emily was just like the last date with Ashley -- he somehow invented conflict where there was none. Maybe it was the editing but I was just wondering what the hell his problem was! And then him getting bent out of shape because Chantal was upset about getting dumped. How DARE she!!

Chantal said over and over if he knew she wasn't it, let her go. He knew and strung her along. I know someone was going to be strung along. There had to be someone else to choose from. But I believe Chantal loved him probably more than anyone else there.

I have never for a second bought that Emily loved him. And she accepts a marriage proposal from a man who met her daughter ONCE? I really wish they didn't allow people with kids on this show.

NO way are those two getting married.

 

[Robinrs]

Brad owns 4 bars in Austin according to this:

http://www.wetpaint.com/the-bachelo...ide-to-brad-womacks-four-bars-in-austin-texas

Season 15 Bachelor Brad Womack co-owns four bars with his brothers, Chad and Wes, in Austin, Texas: The Chuggin' Monkey, Molotov Lounge, The Dogwood, and the Dizzy Rooster. If you're an Austin local, you might already be a regular, but in case you're an out-of-towner wanting to know where to grab a beer, listen to a live set, or bust a move, we've got the insider deets on Brad's joints. According to TV Fan Space, Chuggin' Monkey and Dizzy Rooster, which were both featured on The Real World: Austin, are said to be among the best on Austin's popular 6th Street.

 

[shortbun]

NOOOOO!! You may not like them but I do. Don't take down the most attractive thing about this guy!!!

Uh, since when is a shirtless man shameful???

Well, it's simply classless to wander around shirtless. He's 38, not 18 and he's old enough to have developed a dignity about his body. Like I said, in the pool or at the beach but to walk around flexing for the camera, shirtless in almost any shot. I think it's low class. This is not Real World and yet, Brad has no concept of why a woman would be upset after he jilted her. "Chantal, what's wrong?" He's immature and like I said, classless. I didn't use the word 'shamefull' but for some reason, that's where you went with it. The men in my family know that they need to be dressed with a little class when they leave the house. I have asked them to wear a shirt in the yard as our neighbors are pretty conservative. I'm talking that my grandmothers and grandfathers passed these values down. I'm sure yours felt the same way. Guys should act and look like they have some integrity, humanity, style.

 

[Robinrs]

Well, it's simply classless to wander around shirtless. He's 38, not 18 and he's old enough to have developed a dignity about his body. Like I said, in the pool or at the beach but to walk around flexing for the camera, shirtless in almost any shot. I think it's low class. This is not Real World and yet, Brad has no concept of why a woman would be upset after he jilted her. "Chantal, what's wrong?" He's immature and like I said, classless. I didn't use the word 'shamefull' but for some reason, that's where you went with it. The men in my family know that they need to be dressed with a little class when they leave the house. I have asked them to wear a shirt in the yard as our neighbors are pretty conservative. I'm talking that my grandmothers and grandfathers passed these values down. I'm sure yours felt the same way. Guys should act and look like they have some integrity, humanity, style.

I get your point but this is not my boyfriend/husband/son in the backyard, this is a guy on a TV show that is basically "selling his wares". The girls prance around in their bikinis and tiny clothes, also, no mention of that? The whole show is subtly sexual, that's a given.

Reminds me of the old Rod Stewart song. BTW, I think EVERY Bachelor pranced around shirtless, not to mention the guys on the bachelorette. Some shoud've, some shouldn't have but I believe we had to deal with all of them.

 

[disneychrista]

The whole show is subtly sexual

I am not so sure it is all that subtle.

 

[FINFAN]

maybe they finally had their *night in the suite* and Emily was not impressed? I think she is veeeeeery savvy in making his anger public..no way is America going to be upset with her dumping him knowing he has anger issues, I also think her family has perhaps not approved? Whatever the reason, I agree, those two ain't gittin' hitched..or of they do, it will not last.

 

[Robinrs]

I am not so sure it is all that subtle.

I would say overtly SENSUAL but the sexual aspects are much more subdued than what it COULD be.

 

[Imzadi]

My issue is they BOTH have unresolved issues and neither can help the other.I actually like them both.
Separately they are great people but they are both going thru major abandonment issues.

I don't think either of them are at fault. I think they both need time to heal and then, maybe after some full on revelations and growing up, get together with a significant other when they're complete people.

Neither are complete people now. If one were it would have a chance but with TWO, wow. Not good.

Yes, they both have problems. They are not a good match.

Brad actually would do better with a Chantal, one who would roll over and give him everything he wants. BUT, with his abandonment & narcissism issues, he wants the elusive one. The one he can't get, to give in to him. That's his alluring challenge, that stems from his abandonment.

At the core of narcissism, is insecurity and fearing not being good enough. That's why a narcissist has to get constant reassurance from outside of oneself. Why they constantly feel a need to prove themselves.

Seeing the complete show now, it doesn't occur to anyone else that out of 25 women, he picked the TWO that were emotionally detached at times? And Chantal, as fallback, who said early she'd give him everything. She even nailed him on that during the ATFR show, that he basically thought of her as a fallback to Emily. The sure thing, he can get - but doesn't really want.

To win the unattainable, the detached/reserve elusive person is to feed that insecurity. It's an ultimate win. But, it's temporary. There will never be enough to feed his wound. He has to heal himself from within - and with a GOOD therapist. In retrospect, now, seeing a somewhat more complete picture, Emily is the ultimate win. (Especially out of all the women on the show.)

Brad keeps saying, "I'm a better person because of Emily. . . She makes me a better person." It sounds like a compliment to her - but it is a SELF centered statement on his part. It's really about himself. Feeding that insecurity inside to be better, to be more, to be enough.


Emily has to finish grieving her dead fiance and get closure on that. She needs to take him off that pedestal she has him on, so she can see the men in her present clearly. She also has abandonment issues, she needs to address.

She also just needs to do a lot of dating. Being the Bachelorette would actually have been good for her. It would have been like speed dating with 25 men. Which she needs. She needs to be able to see men more clearly and choose more wisely.

In some ways, this relationship with Brad has been good for her - of she gets out in time before too much emotional battering is done to her and Ricki.

She apparently likes high profile men, as her dead fiance was a famous race car driver. The Brad as the Bachelor. She had Brad up on a pedestal, too, because he was the handpicked "Bachelor." But who picked him? What made them any kind of authority about men?

Moving from being on a pedestal to toppling down to volatile anger issues with a narcissist who needs to get his way, maybe this is boot camp for her.

Maybe falling in love again for the first time after Ricky, this being the "rebound relationship," she will get some of her own healing done, and be ready for her right relationship with the next guy. One who is sharing, caring, open and available and inclusive to her and Ricki.

 

[Disfan3]

I went online to watch the ATR show with Emily and Brad...but all I can find was the episode where he choses Emily....when was this final show on that everyone is talking about!?!? I would love to watch it!

thanks!

 

[Imzadi]

Wishing on a star wrote:

The HUGE thing that I noticed is the official revelation that Brad has gotten 'volatile' with Emily....

She is the most un-emotional, 'poised', and even according to Brad, 'kind', person... and THAT isn't enough to help control his temper.

I totally agree! I'm sorry, but for a 38 year old man to have those kind of anger issues...over what? Emily pointing out to him that being a parent is not all fun and games? Is that how he's going to be whenever they have a serious discussion and she has a different opinion?

I'm glad that Emily is stalling for more time. There is a small child to consider.

I have not watched the entire season of The Bachelor. What is it Brad Womack does and why do they have to live in Texas?

TC

I wondered that too...why can't he move?

Brad co-owns four bars with his brothers, Chad and Wes, and another partner in Austin. So basically he owns the equivalent of one bar. They are also financing opening a hotel. Although that can sound more glamorous than it may be. I know 2 bothers who own a couple hotels here in NYC. They are not even 3 star hotels, and I would NOT recommend them to anyone visiting here. Like Brad, it sounds better on paper.


For a narcissist, making Emily and her daughter move would be the penultimate WIN. We're talking better win than Charlie Sheen "Winning!"

Did you gals not see Brad was impotent sitting on in Emily's couch during the hometown visit. Getting her & Ricki to give up their lavish lifestyle there in Charlotte would be the penultimate win.

Remember, he had told Chantal that he only has a small loft. That wasn't even big enough for he and Chantal. Where was little Ricki supposed to stay while they sorted through his temper issues?

She's had months to start the process. Plus she knew she would need to move all along. Brad was open about that since the beginning. Its not like he sprung it on it out of the blue.

i wouldn't want to uproot my daughter and move so far away from family if i wasn't 150% sure that i was going to marry the guy.

She had to be aware of this before she signed on the dotted line with a reality show. If not, she is immature and didn't think out her decision.

Why does it have to be in your and Brad's time frame only? Does it occur to you: He is NOT the one? Just because he picked Emily doesn't mean she ultimately has to choose him back, now that she is getting to know the real him, beyond the show.

For him to have made plans to get married on the ATFR show, shows how clueless he is, as to how much work this couple needs separately and together. Getting married on the show would be about proving to the world he won. Again, narcissistic & self centered.

I think it was Brad who said, right before Emily came out, that they hadn't seen each other for a month. That to me says, this is basically over. They probably wouldn't have seen each other has they not been scheduled for the show.

I think she would move: FOR THE RIGHT PERSON. That is not Brad. He's got extreme rage issues when he does not get his own way. HELLO! Major Red flag!

Even his family warned Emily about his temper. I do think they thought she and her child would be good for him. That maybe she'd settle Brad down. (And his anger? ) I thought their reaction was a bit quick on their part. Again, it's about Brad.

I would not bring a child into a home until that rage is handled and healed. I've said on several threads before that I counsel/coach and empower abused women. I coach at some of the live seminars for Tony Robbins. You wouldn't believe the abuse I've heard & dealt with. Some of the worst scars go back to childhood. Ricki does NOT need that. She will have her own issues from having no dad. To have the first father figure finally in her life, treating her mom with rages , is sooooo not what she needs.

 

[Robinrs]

Wow, Imzadi... if you're not a therapist you missed your calling!!

 

[disneychrista]

I went online to watch the ATR show with Emily and Brad...but all I can find was the episode where he choses Emily....when was this final show on that everyone is talking about!?!? I would love to watch it!

Immediately after the show yesterday.
Here's the link to After the Final Rose

 

[Imzadi]

Wow, Imzadi... if you're not a therapist you missed your calling!!

Read on. You posted before I finished typing.

Kudos to you, too!
You nailed them both, much more succinctly.
(I'm sure several people will take a snooze halfway through my posts.

)

I like to think it's because you and I are both NYers. This city teaches us how to read people, really well and really quickly. Analyzing this show has been fun!

Do you think if I offer Brad my employee discount to a Tony Robbins seminar, he'd go? Actually, I'm quite sure I can get him in for FREE, being he's the Bachelor and all. And if Brad wants extreme & dangerous stunts, Tony excels at extreme stunts. I'd be very "proud" to see Brad some do of these stunts and grow from them.

 

[Lehuaann]

No. He got edgy because Emily continued to repeat the same question over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Brad went there specifically to tell her that he was ready to be the best father he could and Emily basically discarded that effort. I thought it was quite rude actually.

This is EXACTLY how DH felt. Brad completely opened up to her that he was ready and willing to not just be a stepfather, but a real daddy...however, Emily kept firing questions back at him as though she doubted him and his abilities. DH said that would've upset him as well, and my DH is a very patient man.

In all the episodes of Bachelor I had always viewed Emily as mature beyond her 24 yrs. However on ATFR, she came across as insecure and immature. Although she had won, she was intent on making him pay for the entire season she had to endure watching. Honestly, poor Brad on Mon nights. Yes, he may have a temper, but I think sweet "over analyzing-I don't back down easily" Emily knows which buttons to push. And as a matter of fact she TOO admitted that she also has a temper ...so I don't understand the theory here in holding Brad as some kind of abusive person...sheesh, are people not allowed to have tempers? Also, the fact that she sabatoges her relationships has nothing to do with putting her ex on a pedestal or Ricci. Emily is a beautifully insecure person who needs reassurance to build up her selfesteem. Brad is in love with her, no doubt, so I really hope this gorgeous couple can work it out.

 

[MAGICFOR2]

Imzadi - I think you really nailed it. I have had alot of coaching and self development, and I saw alot of that, too - just not able to articulate it like you. I do think that I see Emily acting the "Princess" though. She was right to challenge him about knowing how to be a father - I think she saw that he wasn't totally comfortable at her home and wanted him to really think about it. That being said, she should have known he would "test the waters" with other girls and if she didn't want to be upset, she shouldn't have watched the show. She chose to find something to be mad about, and then give him a hard time about it. True "Drama Jockey" style.

She is used to her life being all about tragedy and needs help recognizing that. She will continue to find something to be upset about until she sees this. I am wondering where her family is? Is that part of the abandonment issue? Like I said, they are both too needy to be married yet.

I really think it is hard for anyone to have a real relationship based on this show. Like DH said, they go on these dates that are hard to live up to in real life, and then expect to just live a normal life when they haven't had normal. I like the way Trista expressed it - they met on the show, and what they did with it after had nothing to do with the show.

 

[shortbun]

A smart woman with a cherished child would never risk moving that child into a life with a rage filled man. Brad needs more therapy. He needs to get over himself. Being on this show twice has clouded his already murky ego. No one should marry him, ever, because he's going to be brutally mean. Emily needs to freeze him out.

 

[Robinrs]

Read on. You posted before I finished typing.

Kudos to you, too!
You nailed them both, much more succinctly.
(I'm sure several people will take a snooze halfway through my posts.

)

I like to think it's because you and I are both NYers. This city teaches us how to read people, really well and really quickly. Analyzing this show has been fun!

Do you think if I offer Brad my employee discount to a Tony Robbins seminar, he'd go? Actually, I'm quite sure I can get him in for FREE, being he's the Bachelor and all. And if Brad wants extreme & dangerous stunts, Tony excels at extreme stunts. I'd be very "proud" to see Brad some do of these stunts and grow from them.

Amen! I think in the 31 years I grew up in NY I had an education on human behavior that surpasses ANY degree! Here in Georgia I meet limited people and people in specific organizations and environments. I had to deal with more diverse types on one ride on the subway than I have the past 20 years in Atlanta!

Loooooooove Tony Robbins. Brad needs to move in with him! The current therapist he has hasn't helped him much I think the "bear" needs a major intervention.

Even if they DO marry it has very little chance of developing either of them into complete adults. They need to do this on their own first. Brad did attempt to, I think he just needs more help. Emily, though "poised" is still VERY young and she has much more of a chance to develop in maturity. I think she is considering her lifestyle and child before hopping into a relationship with a man with a temper. We all know that a temper is difficult even with our own children who we LOVE, much less a person who does not have that relationship.

I think she's smart to bide her time.

 

[Robinrs]

A smart woman with a cherished child would never risk moving that child into a life with a rage filled man. Brad needs more therapy. He needs to get over himself. Being on this show twice has clouded his already murky ego. No one should marry him, ever, because he's going to be brutally mean. Emily needs to freeze him out.

This we DEFINITELY agree on. I think he will marry someone eventually but hopefully they don't have that "I can CHANGE him" syndrome that lots of nurturing women have.

 

[kimmar067]

Amen! I think in the 31 years I grew up in NY I had an education on human behavior that surpasses ANY degree! Here in Georgia I meet limited people and people in specific organizations and environments. I had to deal with more diverse types on one ride on the subway than I have the past 20 years in Atlanta! .....

...true dat....just ask John Rocker.

 

[kimmar067]

...And then him getting bent out of shape because Chantal was upset about getting dumped. How DARE she!!

Chantal said over and over if he knew she wasn't it, let her go. He knew and strung her along. I know someone was going to be strung along. There had to be someone else to choose from. But I believe Chantal loved him probably more than anyone else there.....

...yes, ITA.