The Apprentice....the Trump version...watch out for spoilers

RyMickey said:
Also, people keep saying that this was a charity event and Rebecca didn't raise any money for the charity. The company chairing the event didn't want her to ask for money. How is it her fault? It'll be interesting to see how much money was donated.
Well...since Trump said it was about the charity, I kinda have to believe him. When Rebecca gave her reasons for being chosen the Apprentice, she said she knocks down walls put in front of her. As much as I like her and believe in her, Yahoo put up a big wall and she didn't even come close to knocking it down.

If you want to be a top executive, you find a way to make it happen.
 
RyMickey said:
I think the reason behind this was mentioned by Lisa Loves Pooh in a previous post (at least I think it was her). Randall was depicted as a generous, nice guy who seemed to be able to be friends with everyone while still maintaining an aire of professionalism. It seemed totally outside of his personality to do what he did last night.

--- Plus since Rebecca was my pick, I'm kinda bitter ;) ---
He wasn't "depicted" he was (and still is) all of those things. Making one decision that you don't agree with doesn't change who he is.
 
I had to LOVE when Trump asked Rebecca why she didn't go meet him at the limo...aka kiss his butt! Get over yourself Trump!
 
Free4Life11 said:
I had to LOVE when Trump asked Rebecca why she didn't go meet him at the limo...aka kiss his butt! Get over yourself Trump!
...and don't forget to roll out the red carpet next time either!!!
 

Daxx said:
In the "real world", Rebecca would have been fired for throwing a fundraiser that brought in zero funds.
Dream on. She gave Yahoo, one of the show's biggest sponsors, exactly what they wanted. They seemed thrilled with the way things turned out. In the "real world" - in this case, the real corporate world - you don't get fired for that, you get promoted for it.
 
Ya know, I've liked Randall all season, but the past few weeks I've been looking at things that made me doubt that he's the "best" apprentice.

Here's a guy with, what, 5 degrees? Do we all know people that are like, "professional students", know a lot about a lot but don't have the drive, determination or common sense to be successful at anything?

I heard many, many times last night that he heads up a multi-million dollar company. I gotta tell ya, those offices they showed where he works aren't like the offices of any multi-million dollar company I've ever seen. Then they show him at home, gotta tell ya again, that looked like the $600/month apartment that we all shared with roommates while going to college.

Why would the head of a multi-million dollar business want to go to work for the Donald at, what, $200,000 a year?

Randall is like the guy we all know at our companies that, "Interviews well", but provides very little after actually being hired.

Check the weather report before the most important outside event of my life? Naaaaaaa

Being under heavy time restraints on a project that HAS to be completed on time? I think I'll just sit here in my suit doing nothing while ONE underling sets up tents and chairs all by himself.

"I won last weeks project and got immunity, so I think I'll sit on my butt and coast thru this weeks project while Rebecca is PM". "And, while I make this poster for a radio station, I'll get the XM radio station number WRONG".

Randall has a good personality, great education, speaks very well. I kinda get the impression it may be all smoke and no fire, though.
 
bengalbelle said:
He wasn't "depicted" he was (and still is) all of those things. Making one decision that you don't agree with doesn't change who he is.


I don't care that he said no...no doesn't have to be said in a snide manner. There are classy ways to handle it. He didn't do it right. I think he was peeved that he wouldn't be the only apprentice and that came out in his response.

And in my novice dictionary work--correct me if I am wrong--but the plural of apprentice is apprentices....where the heck did "apprenti" come from. ;)

I think Randall will do well--his victory was sadly not a shining moment. And regardless if Trump is to blame or not--Randall did not handle that curve ball very well.
 
RyMickey said:
Also, people keep saying that this was a charity event and Rebecca didn't raise any money for the charity. The company chairing the event didn't want her to ask for money. How is it her fault? It'll be interesting to see how much money was donated.
By having an auction (live, silent, Chinese, whatever), you are not outright asking for money -- you are giving people the option to spend money. They can choose to participate or not. You hand them an envelope and they're "expected" to participate. With an auction, nobody is forced to participate. If you go around asking for money, then you are going against what Yahoo! wanted. But, by offering a choice of whether to participate or not ... whole different ball game.

Yahoo! didn't want people to be directly solicited for donations. They didn't want people walking around handing out envelopes or the comedians to say "Open up those wallets and checkbooks and donate". But, saying "We have a great auction coming up" ... you're giving people the chance to walk away with something. To most people, an auction is buying something not just giving a chunk of cash w/nothing to show for it. Let's face it ... most people want something for their money. With an auction, you're not directly asking for money. You're letting people decide if they want to spend and how much they want to spend. If they don't participate at all, then they don't. But, usually, people would sooner give more and walk away w/something they wanted than to just hand over cash. I know that w/my DS's school, they have a theme tray. I usually purchase $50 in tickets. You honestly would not see me forking over $50 just for the heck of it. If I have the opportunity to win something, then I'm going to dig deeper in my pockets than if I am expected to donate. Let's face it ... most people love the chance to win something or buy something.

Let's face it -- if you don't get people to give at the event, they're not going to give outside the event. You "loosen" them up w/Yahoo-tini's and they're more than likely going to spend a bit more on an auction than just opening up their wallets to put cash or a check in an envelope. Most people prob. thought it was a Yahoo! party and not a fundraiser b/c they really didn't mention much about the EGPAF or WHY the Yahoo people were even there. It looked more like a Yahoo! office party than a fundraiser. Esp. since it was Yahoo! everything and only one sign for EGPAF. Sad, sad, sad. I bet they would have raised a lot of $$ if they had a nice auction. Look at how much Randall brought in for AS. Rebecca had the opportunity to do a fundraiser w/o looking like she had her hand out and just couldn't figure out how to do it.
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
I don't care that he said no...no doesn't have to be said in a snide manner. There are classy ways to handle it. He didn't do it right. I think he was peeved that he wouldn't be the only apprentice and that came out in his response.

And in my novice dictionary work--correct me if I am wrong--but the plural of apprentice is apprentices....where the heck did "apprenti" come from. ;)
Well if I had a dime for everytime I said something I wished I could take back...well you know the rest of that story. He was (as far as I know) taken by surprise and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
ETA: If I changed my beliefs about people's character so easily, I would have lost faith in people a long time ago.

Lisa loves Pooh said:
I think Randall will do well--his victory was sadly not a shining moment.
And the blame for that rests squarely on the shoulders of The Donald. Shoulda never happened.
 
Jimbo said:
Dream on. She gave Yahoo, one of the show's biggest sponsors, exactly what they wanted. They seemed thrilled with the way things turned out. In the "real world" - in this case, the real corporate world - you don't get fired for that, you get promoted for it.
I totally agree w/you re. the promotion, etc. she gave to Yahoo!

However, I should have been clearer on my statement and am sorry to mislead you ...

I meant she'd get fired from the EGPAF. The event was about them, not Yahoo! If she worked for the EGPAF and her fundraiser didn't bring in a dime, then she would have been canned. I'm not talking about her work for Yahoo! I'm talking about her work for the real client -- EGPAF. Yahoo was just a sponsor and a way to get the cash. Her real client was the charity. Sure, she should have made Yahoo! happy (and she did), but she didn't make EGPAF happy. She didn't bring in a dime for EGPAF and since it was about them, she'd be so out of there.

If you're going to host a fundraiser, you have to bring in the funds for the charity. She didn't do that for EGPAF. She sure did a great job for Yahoo! though! I'll def. give her that!
 
I wonder how this will play out on Martha's Apprentice.

One team over there is focused on the client while the PM of the other is focused on fundraising via a silent auction. Her staff is ticked b/c she is wasting time soliciting items to fundraise for the charity client (who usually raises $1 million via these type of events).

So it is amazing how on one very similar show--wasting time on the charity is conveyed as a negative while on the other--following the corporate clients wishes is seen as not following through on the task.

In both--you must organize the event and fundraising is secondary.

Interesting the different POV's.
 
bengalbelle said:
And the blame for that rests squarely on the shoulders of The Donald. Shoulda never happened.

they get stuff like this all season long--curve balls. Shoulda never happened--but the boss is usually always right ;).



DAXX: And until the EGPAF actually issues a statement--we wont' know if they were happy or not. Fundraisers come in all shapes and styles. While for the purposes of the Apprentice--it was limited to the timeframe of the event and thus Rebecca raised $0--in the real world...it is a legitimate way to raise funds. We don't know if she raised $0 or $1 million dollars. And if EGPAF was worried...they probably would have been more forthcoming about it as the Awareness Speaks (is that the name???) lady was. She was so "in your face" about it--and good for her for doing so. It was because of her that $11,000 was raised.
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
they get stuff like this all season long--curve balls. Shoulda never happened--but the boss is usually always right ;).
I stand by my statement. Shoulda never happened.
If Trump wanted Rebecca, he comes off as an idiot for putting the decision in someone else's hands. Keep the ball in your court ;)

If he didn't really want her and he posed the question, he comes off as an insensitive idiot.

So the blame is on Trump. And unless I did some posting before I had my morning caffeine, I don't think I've ever argued the fact that Randal could have been more tactful. But I don't disagree with his decision, and I don't think that he went from being a great guy to a villian in 1 minute flat.
 
Lisa loves Pooh said:
DAXX: And until the EGPAF actually issues a statement--we wont' know if they were happy or not. Fundraisers come in all shapes and styles. While for the purposes of the Apprentice--it was limited to the timeframe of the event and thus Rebecca raised $0--in the real world...it is a legitimate way to raise funds. We don't know if she raised $0 or $1 million dollars. And if EGPAF was worried...they probably would have been more forthcoming about it as the Awareness Speaks (is that the name???) lady was. She was so "in your face" about it--and good for her for doing so. It was because of her that $11,000 was raised.
I realize that ... but w/all the other fundraisers in the past, it's all been about how much was raised at said event. Why should EGPAF have to wait days or weeks or months to find out. They should have had cash in their hands that day! I can't imagine that they were thrilled that they had no donations that night. I'm going to think a lot of people threw that literature away b/c it wasn't in their minds anymore ... as it would have been on the day of the event.

The Autism Speaks lady was so aware of what the event was about and what her goal was. I was surprised that EGPAF wasn't more "in Rebecca's face" about the importance of raising money. If Yahoo! didn't want to solicit for donations or didn't want an auction, then why hold a fundraising event for EGPAF? Do you know what I mean!? If I'm not mistaken, we really didn't see much from EGPAF reps throughout the show. It just showed them talking to Jake Glaser and that was about it. And, Rebecca was so upset that all The Donald had to say was "Good event" and not talk about the EGPAF! I wasn't surprised since he was just there for the "ride". He did the same or Randall. Don't you think that if she wanted him to talk, then she should have asked him prior to the event?!

Oh -- another thing -- why did Trump put a fly in her ointment by asking everyone to go down to the comedy area a half-hour before the event was going to start?! I mean, she expressly told him that the comedy would start at 7:30. Did he do it to see how she'd handle it? But, he didn't do anything like that to Randall.
 
Bob NC said:
Ya know, I've liked Randall all season, but the past few weeks I've been looking at things that made me doubt that he's the "best" apprentice.

Here's a guy with, what, 5 degrees? Do we all know people that are like, "professional students", know a lot about a lot but don't have the drive, determination or common sense to be successful at anything?

I heard many, many times last night that he heads up a multi-million dollar company. I gotta tell ya, those offices they showed where he works aren't like the offices of any multi-million dollar company I've ever seen. Then they show him at home, gotta tell ya again, that looked like the $600/month apartment that we all shared with roommates while going to college.

Why would the head of a multi-million dollar business want to go to work for the Donald at, what, $200,000 a year?

Randall is like the guy we all know at our companies that, "Interviews well", but provides very little after actually being hired.

Check the weather report before the most important outside event of my life? Naaaaaaa

Being under heavy time restraints on a project that HAS to be completed on time? I think I'll just sit here in my suit doing nothing while ONE underling sets up tents and chairs all by himself.

"I won last weeks project and got immunity, so I think I'll sit on my butt and coast thru this weeks project while Rebecca is PM". "And, while I make this poster for a radio station, I'll get the XM radio station number WRONG".

Randall has a good personality, great education, speaks very well. I kinda get the impression it may be all smoke and no fire, though.


Very, very good points......
 
RyMickey said:
I think the reason behind this was mentioned by Lisa Loves Pooh in a previous post (at least I think it was her). Randall was depicted as a generous, nice guy who seemed to be able to be friends with everyone while still maintaining an aire of professionalism. It seemed totally outside of his personality to do what he did last night.

--- Plus since Rebecca was my pick, I'm kinda bitter ;) ---

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic because being nice and being about business are in two totally different categories. I can be a nice person all day long - but business is business. If the opportunity presents itself - you take it!! It doesn't make you a mean guy - because you don't want to share your limelight with anyone else, especially since thats not the 'norm' of practice - in business general. It was a business decision. A smart one too. Why compete if everyone wins. On this mornings Today's Show Randal used an analogy of winning a gold medal then being asked to share it. Why should the gold medalist have to share his medal. If he declines to share - is he somehow mean. The athlete worked hard to get the gold. Also, if Donald had asked Randal to make Rebecca his Randal's apprentice - that would have been more appropriate to me.
 
Bob NC said:
I gotta tell ya, those offices they showed where he works aren't like the offices of any multi-million dollar company I've ever seen. Then they show him at home, gotta tell ya again, that looked like the $600/month apartment that we all shared with roommates while going to college.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Every day in the business world, managers are faced with making the decision of which of two higly qualified candidates should fill a position. Oftentimes, they will offer one the position and bring back the other one to discuss filling another position, and even sometimes, create a position for the second-place candidate. Never do the managers say to the one to whom they offer the original position, "Hey, I''ve been interviewing another qualified candidate and I would like to put him in another position, what do you think?" Trump likes to tout this as "an interview" rather than "entertainment." He should have treated it as such. Now today, "He's over it." Funny how he admired Rebecca for her loyalty and then showed her none himself.
 
Bob NC said:
Ya know, I've liked Randall all season, but the past few weeks I've been looking at things that made me doubt that he's the "best" apprentice.

Here's a guy with, what, 5 degrees? Do we all know people that are like, "professional students", know a lot about a lot but don't have the drive, determination or common sense to be successful at anything?

I heard many, many times last night that he heads up a multi-million dollar company. I gotta tell ya, those offices they showed where he works aren't like the offices of any multi-million dollar company I've ever seen. Then they show him at home, gotta tell ya again, that looked like the $600/month apartment that we all shared with roommates while going to college.

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I have not posted a coment to this thread all day. I really enjoyed this season's Apprentice. I felt that the two finalists were meant and deserved to be there. I also felt that while Randal won more often than Rebecca, they were very evenly matched.

As I watched the show last night, I really felt that Rebecca had won the task, not the fundraising portion of the task, but overall the task in a whole. DH and I talked about the problems that each team had. Randal, the weather -- Rebecca, the loss of her star MC (which, IMHO, may have been staged to see what Rebecca would do when things started to crumble--like the weather did for Randal). Rebecca and her team did an awesome job of recovering for the MC, with what seemed like very little time and effort. She directed her team and they did what they were told. The nightclub was decked out as Yahoo had wanted and the show was very well done. The gift bags were very professional and not something cheap that was bought at a Party City. Everyone that was at the event seemed to be enjoying themselves and did not look out of place at the event.

Randal, on the other hand, had many issues. After the weather went bad, they scrambled for an alternative place to have the auction. The locker room was the best place to have the event. The room was WAY overcrowded and the people that were there seemed out of place. The items that were up for bid were bought by the other stars that were there. And, them being bought by other stars, $11K does not seem like that much money to me. More than Rebecca raised, but still not a lot of money. I also felt that the way Randal handled the deligating of the responsiblities for this task was awful. Having all of them go to Party City to buy decorations, thus having one of the team members miss out on a meeting, was terrible. The cheap gift bags they put together was tacky (for a kids birthday party not tacky, but for a group of stars, very tacky).

Getting to Bob NC's quote, I thought the same thing when I saw his "office" with the plastic banner showing his company name on the wall. And, his home is definately not the type of home I envision an owner of a multi- million dollar business to live.

I am sure both will do well in whatever oppotunity presents itself to them. It was a good season, I wish Randal had given the other job to Rebecca, but I am sure she will do very well in the job she gets from this "interview."

I also would love to know what the envelopes brought into the EGPAF. I hope that number is posted soon. Too bad it was not released prior to the airing of the Apprentice Final Boardroom!!
 
Bob NC said:
I gotta tell ya, those offices they showed where he works aren't like the offices of any multi-million dollar company I've ever seen. Then they show him at home, gotta tell ya again, that looked like the $600/month apartment that we all shared with roommates while going to college.

I thought the same thing last night while watching. I'm certain we aren't the only ones.
 


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