Thank God is was just a "little white lie".

I don't care if it's real or not-I still believe in recycling, using cloth grocery bags instead of plastic and conserving our resources. It bothers me that being good stewards of the planet has been tied to something so controversial. It shouldn't matter what anyone says about the future-warmer, colder, whatever- we should be responsible about the resources we use because it's the right thing to do.

The problem - a good cause was hijacked by politicians. Environmentalists around the world should be outraged at this propagated falsehood. It has caused the pendulum to begin swinging in the wrong direction...
 
That's ideal! However, if only one could be, I'd certainly hope that it would be humans. :hippie:
I'm in agreement however those charities set up to save the polar bear will of course not be saving starving children nor should they be required to. Plenty of good charities are trying to figure out the ice problem global warming or not.
 
Recycling and other things mentioned are good to do no matter what. Global warming should not be used as an excuse to take care of our planet. This is our home and we need to keep it livable. :thumbsup2

But I admit, I’m relieved they are finally starting to say it’s not true. Maybe now I can go into a certain store without a cloth bag and not get those frowns, stares and comments about adding to global warming from the cashiers. :rolleyes:
 

But I admit, I’m relieved they are finally starting to say it’s not true. Maybe now I can go into a certain store without a cloth bag and not get those frowns, stares and comments about adding to global warming from the cashiers. :rolleyes:

I think you should just stop going to those stores.

We use plastic grocery bags for our garbage, so we have to get them sometimes, and the idea of buying Hefty bags and carrying them home in the cloth bags...just weirds me out.



All that said...I couldn't read the article linked to. Lots of articles with that tone require you to have a certain belief and understanding of what they've ranted about before. So i went to the BBC article linked to in the OP's article, and...I'm not seeing anything about a lie? Or that changes aren't happening. Or anything that people here are being rude to their spouses about? Seem to be missing something in the source article, most definitely. Even the source article is confusing, as I've never heard of "climategate"...I really hate articles that can't stand alone, that require having read everything from before.



And for those who talk about "oh yes we've always had shifts"...yep, shifts that devastate what was here before and start something new. So...maybe we're on the way out?
 
As cold as it has been up here in Vermont the past few years, I wasn't buying it either! Sad that some people were using it to villify others. BUT I'll still recycle, use cloth bags, etc!
 
I agree I use cloth bags when I shop and recycle ..that has nothing to do with someone lying to us for a very long time...it doesn't matter they can promote recycle and being good to our planet without lying about weather our technology is making the planet bad..when if you look through history you will see a normal up and down of temps..

I'm just saying the way they have done about it is wrong..

The whole thing has gone wayyyyy beyond recycling though.

Being good stewards is one thing.

Lying about it, profiting off of it--and other things that I cannot mention as they may violate DIS board guidelines is entirely another.

I just cannot grasp my mind around it.

I try to make good "earth choices" as I am able to within my budget. There are things I would love to do. But I think it is crap the way this has been harped upon in recent years and that they fudged evidence makes it even worse.
 
Am I the first person to question the source of this article? It is a very right wing source and only one person is admitting this. I would like to have more input from other sources before I write it off completely.

We all need to be good citizens of this planet and take care of her.
 
I think that the notion that Global Warming has now been disproved and will go away is overstated. There have been numerous recent setbacks in the effort to convince people that global warming is a serious and man induce issue, but it is far from being completely discredited.

The debate will continue. I do think, or at least hope, that you've seen the last of the sanctimonious claims that the science is settled and the disturbing use of the emotionally laden term "deniers" for those that dare to question the IPCC.
 
Am I the first person to question the source of this article? It is a very right wing source and only one person is admitting this. I would like to have more input from other sources before I write it off completely.

We all need to be good citizens of this planet and take care of her.

Agreed, especially seeing that the column's author Marc Moreno has long be associated with a hard right wing political/corporate agenda. I give far more credibility to peer reviewed, scientific study than I do to one of a very small minority who's sole purpose seems to be to publish every little factoid, true, untrue or otherwise to back his years old claim that climate change theory is "unraveling".

I find it amazing how some people will grab on to any shred of information, even in the face of an enormous amount to evidence to the contrary, just to prove that their opinion was correct. AFAIC, it's kinda hard to remain credible when you behave in that manner.
 
Am I the first person to question the source of this article? It is a very right wing source and only one person is admitting this. I would like to have more input from other sources before I write it off completely.

We all need to be good citizens of this planet and take care of her.

Exactly. The evidence is still overwhelming and conjuring up one article to put up against the hundreds of studies is ridiculous. The glaciers are still disappearing.
 
Exactly. The evidence is still overwhelming and conjuring up one article to put up against the hundreds of studies is ridiculous. The glaciers are still disappearing.


Well actually that was also a convenient "white lie" called Glaciergate.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...gunter-first-climategate-now-glaciergate.aspx

Also NASA is not exactly guilt free for creating this hoax.

http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!EBAB74DA8F94C559!5775.entry?wa=wsignin1.0&sa=954588900
 
Am I the first person to question the source of this article? It is a very right wing source and only one person is admitting this. I would like to have more input from other sources before I write it off completely.

We all need to be good citizens of this planet and take care of her.

We hear this argument a lot. Just because it is reported by a source that is considered to be purely right or even purely left wing does not mean it isn't true.

Personally, I like to listen to news stories from both Fox and CNN (etc). I figure the "real" truth lies somewhere in the middle.
 
Not too long ago, I remember seeing scientists, hired by the tobacco companies, getting up in front of congress and with a straight face saying that cigarettes don't cause cancer. You're always going to be able to find scientists who are going to state with certainty that the world is going to end because of global warming as well as finding scientists who say there is no such thing as global warming. It's a shame how easily one can buy a study stating what a group (or corporation) wants to hear.

Maybe it's my age - but I remember the days when nasty exhaust would pour out of cars and smokestacks, factories were allowed to dump waste in the rivers, and we disrespected the earth for bigger profits. At that time the corporations were fighting tooth and nail to be allowed to continue to dump their toxic waste where ever they wanted while making fun of the "tree huggers".

I thank God for those tree huggers - because the country my children are growing up in, is a cleaner one than the one of my childhood. I'll always be willing to pay a little extra to make the greener choice, and I'll always vote for the candidate who respects that.
 
I was impressed, a year or so ago, to read about an English scientist who predicted global warming back in the 1890s. Of course he thought it would not be for another couple of hundred years, based upon his (then) current survey of how much coal the world was then using. He did not foresee the rapid increase in the use of oil/gas/coal. However, he was aware of how the earth’s atmosphere traps the gases from burning coal and predicted that it would produce a greenhouse effect.

Anyway, like others I do not put much stock into a single statement. I do find it rather humorous that some people (like my very conservative sister) will take a snowfall (like we just had here in Fort Worth; 12.5 inches, a record) and chortle “So much for global warming!” It does no good to point out that 1) Fort Worth is not ‘the globe’; 2) if global warming does exist and glaciers are melting at an accelerated rate we can expect parts of the world to have more moisture (including snow) than historically usual; and 3) it beggars belief that so many scientists from around the globe, including China, UK, Australian, etc, would all enter into some vast conspiracy to convince people of global warming.

Of course, I hope that global warming, due to whatever reason (manmade of natural), is not occurring. I do not want to see flooding and misery occurring in parts of the world, offset by drought and misery in other parts (which seems to occur anyway, historically). If new information comes out that shows to a certainty that global warming is not occurring and that everything is peachy keen, I will not shout ‘I win’, but will give a sigh of relief and focus on other problems that plague this unhappy planet.

However, I doubt that such news will be forthcoming (i.e., that global warming is not occurring). No doubt there will always be some evidence that pops up that can be interpreted as showing that maybe warming is not occurring, or at the very least not at an alarming rate. I am old enough to recall the dire warning of ‘global cooling’ that was issued in the late 1960s. Nevertheless, the better part of prudence is to prepare for the worse while hoping for the best.

I also have written previously in another thread about a glacier I visited in Switzerland in 1980 (Lower Grindelwald) and how I camped out close to the foot of this glacier; about how I read, at the time, about the glacier’s retreating at a steady rate (couple of feet per year); about how, instead, the glacier’s retreat sped up to such a surprising extent that it is no longer a tourist attraction, and the tourist center has closed. I realize this does not prove global warming, but, to me, it does give me some pause. I had fully planned to return to the lower Grindelwald at some point, but it is too late.

Finally, beware of the ‘internet scientist’. An internet scientist is a person with no training whatsoever in any of the disciplines used to study the globe and its climate system including meteorology, atmospheric chemistry, hydrology, geophysics, geodesy, oceanography, etc. However, this person will spend 15 or 30 minutes on the internet until he/she finds some article that fits his/her viewpoint, ‘cut and paste’ to said article and then awaits the applause for their ‘research’ proving that they are ‘right’ (i.e., whether the globe is cooling, warming or is ‘just right’). Indeed, I believe one reason that this board now prohibits political threads is because such threads ended up being nothing but a few posters ‘cutting and pasting’ to various blogs, news items, etc., all without forming one original opinion themselves.
 
Not too long ago, I remember seeing scientists, hired by the tobacco companies, getting up in front of congress and with a straight face saying that cigarettes don't cause cancer. You're always going to be able to find scientists who are going to state with certainty that the world is going to end because of global warming as well as finding scientists who say there is no such thing as global warming. It's a shame how easily one can buy a study stating what a group (or corporation) wants to hear.

Maybe it's my age - but I remember the days when nasty exhaust would pour out of cars and smokestacks, factories were allowed to dump waste in the rivers, and we disrespected the earth for bigger profits. At that time the corporations were fighting tooth and nail to be allowed to continue to dump their toxic waste where ever they wanted while making fun of the "tree huggers".

I thank God for those tree huggers - because the country my children are growing up in, is a cleaner one than the one of my childhood. I'll always be willing to pay a little extra to make the greener choice, and I'll always vote for the candidate who respects that.


I subscribe to this statement.

I also remember that we had some Senators back in those days who were adamant that cigarettes were not harmful. Several were proud to sit and smoke during such hearings (in those days you could). I wish I can recall which Tobacco state politician it was who smoked so heavily, railed against those whom warned about tobacco's dangers, and then died himself of lung cancer; I see to recall he had a deathbed conversion.
 
The most important point, when discussing GW, is causation. Why? Because we need to understand whether or not we can do anything to stop it. If we cannot, we need to move people away from the shores and take other steps to protect the people of the world.

In the end, I seriously doubt that we are going to be able to do anything about this, whether it has been caused by man or not. Why? Because developing countries will not stop moving forward for a green cause when they are struggling to survive. In the end, even if the US and Europe were to stop producing greenhouse gasses altogether, it wouldn't matter without Asia and Africa cutting back, and their plans call for increased production.

So, we need to stop focusing on what we cannot control and start working on the things that we can...
 
I subscribe to this statement.

I also remember that we had some Senators back in those days who were adamant that cigarettes were not harmful. Several were proud to sit and smoke during such hearings (in those days you could). I wish I can recall which Tobacco state politician it was who smoked so heavily, railed against those whom warned about tobacco's dangers, and then died himself of lung cancer; I see to recall he had a deathbed conversion.

What happens when both sides are buying scientists to produce false studies? People take sides and the truth is obfuscated. Such is the state of GW "research"...
 
question here.

Most of this global warming/climate change business,.... forecasts, computer models, records ect. all deal with ' since we started keeping records' and the ' warmest/coldest season/month on record' and so on.

Just how accurate was a thermometer back in 1820? As accurate as today?
How accurate are those records from the 1800's?
Who were these guys taking the readings?
Were they scientists? Army? Farmers?

I really wonder why folks don't ask these questions?
 








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