Stop being silly over PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN

[YoHo]

You did not answer my question.


I asked how many E-ticket rides were built as ads?

I'm trying to draw a painfully obvious distinction here, but it requires some basic reading comprehension skills.

 

[dbm20th]

You did not answer my question.


I asked how many E-ticket rides were built as ads?

I'm trying to draw a painfully obvious distinction here, but it requires some basic reading comprehension skills.

So were you not commenting on what I wrote about Snow White, Pooh, Buzz, etc.? I assumed that was what you were referring to. My bad if it was not. Thanks for the insulting tone

 

[Another Voice]

I am not worried all that much about "commercialization". The whole damn place is commercialized.

Which is why the parks are so much worse now than they were fifteen years ago.

From the ReImagineering Blog (http://imagineerebirth.blogspot.com/):

Something to be aware of: Disneyland is becoming one big Toon Town. The original themed lands were representations of different times and places and the attractions in them were geared more toward the land themes than anything else. Disney characters, aside from an occasional appearance, resided in Fantasyland – and then in Toon Town.

Lately most new attractions across the park are based on whatever latest movie is out. The result is that you have cartoon Tarzan taking over the Swiss Family Treehouse, Buzz Lightyear in Tomorrowland, soon to be Finding Nemo replacing the sub rides and Pooh over in the far corner of Frontierland.

To further clarify the point; for instance, a Frontierland with permanent features like the Golden Horseshoe, the Mark Twain and western buildings can really take you back in time, as if you were magically transported to that time and place. An occasional appearance by a Disney character that fits in with the theme comes as a pleasant surprise and reminds you of where you really are.

But it is quite a different thing to be in a Frontierland with permanent features maybe more like Woody and Jesse’s Shoot’em Up Saloon, Pluto’s Western Bounce House and Nemo’s Explorer Canoes. You aren’t really being transported back to that place and time anymore – you know you’re in an amusement park, and actually more of a kiddy park.

I don’t think this has come about as the result of conscious overall creative design, but rather the result of a company structure with business managers at the top and creative people under them, scrambling to give the managers what they want – synergy. Synergy is a good thing in small doses, but this strategy will never give us another Pirate ride or Haunted Mansion. The system needs to be reversed, with the creative leaders deciding what attractions would really enhance an area in an amazing way, with the business managers there to support them and turn the projects into reality.

 

[wdwfreak]

... and my final meal at Blue Bayou on Sunday.

Are they closing BB or will you not eat there again on principle?

 

[Linzybrooke]

E-Ticket refers to certain calliber of ride; its an old classification but goes something like this at the moment. If you go to a silly carnival that comes to town you pay more to ride certain rides than others. E-ticket rides are those that would cost you the most points because they are considered the most thrilling, popular or advanced. I would say that on the E-Ticket front Disney scores about a 1 out of 10. But, as a ride wuss this bothers me not at all! Though it is a reason they really need to update their attractions and their parks in new and inventive ways.

By the way, the ReImagineering website rocks! If anyone hasn't checked it out please do!

 

[exDS vet]

Rather than quote those who asked questions, I'll just answer some of them:

I don't really agree about the commercialization aspect of many of the original rides. Walt Disney created an impressive array of classic animated features. Disneyland was a way to bring these movies to life. Since many of the rides at the parks came soon or long after the movies were released, you can't argue that the rides were created to promote the films. So I can't agree that these attractions are simply ads for the movies.

By my count, no attraction or show has ever been created or updated before a movie was released. If there was no Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Snow White, Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland, Mickey Mouse, etc, there would be no Disneyland or WDW.

Paul Pressler and Cynthia Harris were Disney Store executives who became Eisner's pets. Who remembers before they took over the parks? Who remembers the Penny Arcades, Main St. Cinemas, Mile Long Bar, Teddi Beara's Swingin' Arcade, etc. before they were converted into stores? There was a time when each shop was charming and different. Now they are all glorified Disney Stores. Even the Emporium is just a huge souvenir stand. The charming and different element is completly gone at WDW and has almost disappeared at Disneyland. Forget about DCA.

About the pirates movie. I have long held a simple, yet strong opinion about this movie, along with "Country Bears" and "The Haunted Mansion". I disagree completly with Disney turning their theme park attractions into film. I think it's cheap and not original. I know that many of you disagree with my position and that's your choice. But please don't try to convince me that I don't know what I am talking about or that I don't know what I am missing.

I have also said that I refuse to watch any animated sequels made specifically for home video. Why? It's because it cheapens the brand. I makes the original less interesting, to me at least. I won't throw my money away on Disney crap that is just intended for me to throw my money away on it and has no value.

Maybe people will get it when they create movies based on the People Mover or Monorail. Maybe a musical with singing and dancing park janitors called "Sweep!" will be the next step. I gotta go now so I can get that idea copyrighted. I can see it now. Disney's "Sweep!" the animated film and DVD sequel. Followed by Disney's "Sweep!" the motion picture, broadway musical and "Sweep!" a new roller coaster at DCA. "Get swept off your feet." I can't wait to buy my souvenir broom.

 

[MJMcBride]

I'm still waiting to find out what I can be silly about.

I don't know I find most of your posts silly

 

[mrsR123]

Dang it; didn't we have a munching popcorn smilie?

 

[YoHo]

I do try to make people smile.



dbm20th.

Clearly I was trying to take your post to the next level. My comment doesn't support your thesis, so I can understand why you wouldn't want to discuss it.

 

[airlarry!]

Give me back my barker bird!

Now!

 

[dbm20th]

Yo-Ho

That's fine, but I did not specify E-Tickets, you did. And then you tried to insult me as a result??? Whether or not it is an E-ticket had absolutely nothing what-so-ever to do with what I was saying. I was discussing the park overall, and many different attractions, which is obvious since I listed many of them. Your response was to be insulting. And now you think it is me that doesn't want to discuss the topic? It is my comment you are taking issue with, and it was NOT about E-tickets. But you don't want to discuss that topic. Instead you want to insult. Fine, go right ahead.

 

[YoHo]

Yo-Ho

That's fine, but I did not specify E-Tickets, you did. And then you tried to insult me as a result??? Whether or not it is an E-ticket had absolutely nothing what-so-ever to do with what I was saying. I was discussing the park overall, and many different attractions, which is obvious since I listed many of them. Your response was to be insulting. And now you think it is me that doesn't want to discuss the topic? It is my comment you are taking issue with, and it was NOT about E-tickets. But you don't want to discuss that topic. Instead you want to insult. Fine, go right ahead.

My comment wasn't to be insulting, my comment with regards the the very specific type of attraction that Pirates is. You chose to ignore my point and I groused about it.

The fact is that most of the rides you listed are Fantasyland dark rides, spinners, the lowest rides in the Disney book as it were.
It is not coincidence that until recently, Disney made all their greatest rides totally unsynergystic. It was purposeful.

So again, you seem unwilling to go beyond your little point about branding. failing to realize that it doesn't apply to the ride in question.

 

[dbm20th]

My comment wasn't to be insulting, my comment with regards the the very specific type of attraction that Pirates is. You chose to ignore my point and I groused about it.

The fact is that most of the rides you listed are Fantasyland dark rides, spinners, the lowest rides in the Disney book as it were.
It is not coincidence that until recently, Disney made all their greatest rides totally unsynergystic. It was purposeful.

So again, you seem unwilling to go beyond your little point about branding. failing to realize that it doesn't apply to the ride in question.

But once again, the world doesn't revolve around Yo-Ho's interpretation of things. Sure the E-ticket rides are not as often "synergized" to use your term, but you yourself pointed out a precedent in Splash Mountain already. So that distinction is really useless, and therefore it does apply.

There are synergized attractions all over this park, whether or not you want to admit they were synergized on purpose or not. Simply dismissing what you don't want to hear because it goes against your silly interpretation is as transparent as your tone is insulting.(another obvious fact you are not willing to admit.)

Is WDI supposed to ignore the enormous success of Sparrow and his movie simply because you don't see enough of a precedent set by those who came before them? Even though the precedent is clearly there? Right or wrong, there is a whole generation of Americans now that associate the phrase Pirates of the Carribean with Jack Sparrow and not the ride, whether you care to admit it or not.

I can't see how saying someone lacks "some basic reading comprehension skills" is meant to be anything but insulting. I don't care if you stand by what you think, obviously I do too. But quite frankly you go to insults very often and very quickly and then refuse to even admit that. You want to turn this into an insult contest go right ahead. Count me out

 

[Another Voice]

Right or wrong, there is a whole generation of Americans now that associate the phrase Pirates of the Carribean with Jack Sparrow and not the ride...

Yet the ride was successful for two generations.

And how much longer is the movie going to last in the public's imgaination? People here whinned about 20,000 Leagues being old and stale, yet that movie in its day was a vastly larger hit than Curse of the Black Pearl was. Will tomorrow's kids care about some fabolous pirate from an old, forgotten movie twenty years from now?

And what if the sequels don't live up to expecations? It happened to The Matrix. It happened to the first Batman series. Now you've got characters for stinker movies in your attraction - how popular is THAT going to be? Or when was the last time people got thrilled by the Pearl Harbor stunt tank? There's a reason why Disney didn't retheme 'Space Mountain' into The Black Hole way back and why all the references to Mission to Mars were stripped out of 'Mission: Mars'.

 

[dbm20th]

Yet the ride was successful for two generations.

And how much longer is the movie going to last in the public's imgaination? People here whinned about 20,000 Leagues being old and stale, yet that movie in its day was a vastly larger hit than Curse of the Black Pearl was. Will tomorrow's kids care about some fabolous pirate from an old, forgotten movie twenty years from now?

And what if the sequels don't live up to expecations? It happened to The Matrix. It happened to the first Batman series. Now you've got characters for stinker movies in your attraction - how popular is THAT going to be? Or when was the last time people got thrilled by the Pearl Harbor stunt tank? There's a reason why Disney didn't retheme 'Space Mountain' into The Black Hole way back and why all the references to Mission to Mars were stripped out of 'Mission: Mars'.

I freely admit there may be problems in the future with it, but I don't know that and neither do you. The OP is pointing out how minimal the changes will be. If we are to believe that, then what you are saying won't apply. However, there is NO WAY either of us can say at this point.

 

[KimmLynn]

There may be a million reasons why Disney shouldn't be changing this ride, but I think people are forgetting that they have the power to change it back if it fails. If the public believes that the characters don't fit, the movie bombs, or people stop going on the ride in protest, Disney has the ability change it back. Just give it a chance, you may actually like it.

 

[DancingBear]

I know YoHo just threw it out there, but I want to point out that there's not a lot of economic synergy between Splash Mountain and a movie Disney won't even put on the market.

 

[YoHo]

True enough and I don't think Stitch has produced too much synergystic goodness to boot.

 

[DisneyGirl4188]

There may be a million reasons why Disney shouldn't be changing this ride, but I think people are forgetting that they have the power to change it back if it fails. If the public believes that the characters don't fit, the movie bombs, or people stop going on the ride in protest, Disney has the ability change it back. Just give it a chance, you may actually like it.

I agree.

I am looking forward to seeing the updates. I do like POC as it is now, but I understand why Disney would want to change it. Not everyone understand why Capt Jack Sperrow ISN'T on the ride now. I have heard several people ask why he wasn't there and that they wanted to see him.

I have only been to WDW the past two years, so I never saw what it used to be. That said, I love what it is now. I don't mind the changes (at least not yet, I haven't actually seen a ride "redone"). I like the Tiki Birds and I didn't hate Stitch.

To get so upset over something that you haven't even seen yet just boggles my mind. You can't complain if you haven't tried it.

Not everyone is a diehard fan of the "old" Disney, because the never had the chance to experience it. I understand the frustration that some feel like they are losing 'their' Disney, but maybe you will like the new. Just try it, once...

 

[dbm20th]

I still can't see this logic. We can synergize non E-tickets until we're blue in the face and we can poorly synergize E-tickets, but we can't successfully synergize E-tickets? I don't understand the difference.

But MUCH more imprtant then that is that we are making a comparison from rides that exist to changes that NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT!!!!