Steubenville OH case, anyone hear of this?

Handbag Lady said:
Great article, thank you. Notice how the one loser "apologized" by saying that he was sorry that pictures were taken? Yeah, that's NOT saying sorry nor showing any remorse.

That is exactly what DH and I were discussing. He is sorry he for caught, he wasn't sorry for destroying this girls life! We are at the very beginning of this generation (or tail end of the last) and it down right appalls me hearing/seeing the actions of my peers. I'm realizing the down falls of the way we were raised and definitely taking that into consideration into the way we are raising our kids.
 
Richmond was sentenced to a minimum of one year in the juvenile detention center for the rape charge. Mays was sentenced to a minimum two years in a juvenile detention center for the rape charge. Both boys were also forbidden from having contact with the victim until they are at least 21 years old. Lipps recommended the Lighthouse Youth Center at Paint Creek as a facility, and further decisions on the exact lengths of their stays in juvenile prison will be up to the juvenile system. But Mays is looking at around eight years in that system, and Lipps said, pending their behavior and future decisions, that both could be on a juvenile sexual offenders list "for the rest of their lives."

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/steubenville-verdict-guilty/63194/

Here is the website of the facility they may end up in.

http://www.lys.org/juvenilejustice.html

Not a bad place to hang out after raping a girl. :sad2:

I just don't understand why or how they ended up being charged as juveniles.
 

Im not saying I dont agree with you, but I have worked with the Juvenile system in the State of Ohio for 11 yrs. The reason they were tried as Juveniles is because the Juvenile system seeks rehabilitation. At the probable cause hearing for the two it was decided that they were amenable to rehabilitation and that is why the Motion to Bind them over to the adult court was dismissed.
 
And here is two girls who learned NOTHING from the trial.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blog...ohio-rape-031007320--abc-news-topstories.html

Idiots!!!!

I'm not sure ANYONE learned anything from the trial!

From the CNN article that someone linked, here's a quote from one of the suspect's dads -

Richmond's father, Nathaniel Richmond, said he still believed his son was innocent "even though he apologized in the courtroom."

"The evidence they had against Ma'lik was minimal," he told CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight." "Ma'lik was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. I know my son is not a rapist, even though he has been convicted of rape."

While I don't blame the victim at all, I do think it's sad that some girls seem to willingly partake in this jock superstar "culture" & let themselves be used which, in turn, just feeds the cycle, if that makes sense.

Like I said, I don't blame the victim. I just think the whole thing is sad - from the parents allowing their kids to party w/o supervision until 3 or 4 in the morning & the adults who provided alcohol to minors to administrators who turned a blind eye & to parents who continually excuse bullying behavior...

I admit I don't know the all the details - like how the girl got w/ the football players or how she ended up at the parties. Had she been part of the "scene"? I'm not blaming her, but I'm asking because the following quote from her mom bothered me a bit -

The victim's mother told CNN that the verdicts are "the start of a new beginning for my daughter." But she added, "We need to stress the importance of helping those in need and to stand up for what is right."

"We hope that from this something good can arise," she said. "I feel I have an opportunity to bring an awareness to others, possibly change the mentality of a youth or help a parent to have more of an awareness to where their children are and what they are doing. The adults need to take responsibility and guide these children."

Bolding is mine. I'm in complete agreement w/ the first part of her statement - that we need to stress to our kids the importance of standing up for what is right & helping those in need. I also commend her & her husband for gathering all the irrefutable evidence & taking it to the police.

But I wonder where was she when her daughter went or was taken to the parties? Had her daughter been to some of these parties before? Had her underage daughter been drunk before?

Like I said, this is NOT to excuse the boys' behavior. What they did was awful & horrific & incredibly degrading. And I'm not passing any of their guilt onto the victim's parents.

But I would venture that just like these boys' parents had a responsibility to guide their sons, the victim's mother holds the same responsibility to guide her daughter. Was she "aware" of what kind of party her daughter was going to or had been to previously?
 
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I'm not sure ANYONE learned anything from the trial!

From the CNN article that someone linked, here's a quote from one of the suspect's dads -

While I don't blame the victim at all, I do think it's sad that some girls seem to willingly partake in this jock superstar "culture" & let themselves be used which, in turn, just feeds the cycle, if that makes sense.

Like I said, I don't blame the victim. I just think the whole thing is sad - from the parents allowing their kids to party w/o supervision until 3 or 4 in the morning & the adults who provided alcohol to minors to administrators who turned a blind eye & to parents who continually excuse bullying behavior...

I admit I don't know the all the details - like how the girl got w/ the football players or how she ended up at the parties. Had she been part of the "scene"? I'm not blaming her, but I'm asking because the following quote from her mom bothered me a bit -

Bolding is mine. I'm in complete agreement w/ the first part of her statement - that we need to stress to our kids the importance of standing up for what is right & helping those in need. I also commend her & her husband for gathering all the irrefutable evidence & taking it to the police.

But I wonder where was she when her daughter went or was taken to the parties? Had her daughter been to some of these parties before? Had her underage daughter been drunk before?

Like I said, this is NOT to excuse the boys' behavior. What they did was awful & horrific & incredibly degrading. And I'm not passing any of their guilt onto the victim's parents.

But I would venture that just like these boys' parents had a responsibility to guide their sons, the victim's mother holds the same responsibility to guide her daughter. Was she "aware" of what kind of party her daughter was going to or had been to previously?

I'll try to answer the questions the best that I can, based on witness testimony.
The victim was supposed to be spending the night with a friend. She and two friends went to the first party and according to the (ex) friend's testimony, the victim had already been drinking vodka in a slushy. The victim knew one defendant but not the other. She actually liked the one. Testimony says that the girl became drunk very fast and and did not want to leave with her friends. She stayed at the first party when her friends left. Testimony from her (ex) friends says the victim often got drunk and then would lie about or not remember things that had happened. Witnesses testified that she and one defendant were cuddling and kissing at first party/to second party (I'm not sure which). During the ride to the 2nd or 3rd party is where the first assault took place by TM. While he assaulted her, one male made a video of it (he was granted immunity for his testimony).
 
I'll try to answer the questions the best that I can, based on witness testimony.
The victim was supposed to be spending the night with a friend. She and two friends went to the first party and according to the (ex) friend's testimony, the victim had already been drinking vodka in a slushy. The victim knew one defendant but not the other. She actually liked the one. Testimony says that the girl became drunk very fast and and did not want to leave with her friends. She stayed at the first party when her friends left. Testimony from her (ex) friends says the victim often got drunk and then would lie about or not remember things that had happened. Witnesses testified that she and one defendant were cuddling and kissing at first party/to second party (I'm not sure which). During the ride to the 2nd or 3rd party is where the first assault took place by TM. While he assaulted her, one male made a video of it (he was granted immunity for his testimony).

Oh, goodness. Well, if all that's true, then her mother can't really blame the boys' parents for not guiding their sons & being "aware" if she herself wasn't guiding her daughter & also being "aware." And, who knows, maybe, when she made her statement, she was including herself as well - that we all need to learn from this & take more responsibility to guide our children.

It's just sad & heartbreaking. While the boys are to blame, the adults in the community appeared to have really failed the kids. And I'm sure this isn't the only community that's like this. The coldhearted, callous, self-entitled attitude that leads to this lack of a moral center & ethics is not, unfortunately, all that uncommon.
 
Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.
 
Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.

Absoutely not. That's like saying the victim asked or it and blaming the victim. Sorry, but that's part of the problem.
 
Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.

I think there are two very separate incidences here and they need to be treated as such.

1. This girl was completely trashed and it sounds like this was a common weekend activity for her. She is to blame for that along with her parents. BUT, we all know that absolutely nobody deserves to be raped no matter how stupid they are or how many bad decisions they make. The only thing she could possibly be charged with is underage drinking which is a misdemeanor. Considering the pain and suffering she has endured, I think most are willing to forgo slapping her with a misdemeanor offense. I'm hoping she will have learned from this and will make much better choices from here on out.

2. The teen boys committed a crime. Their crime was rape. It is a felony offense. That pretty much sums it up. It trumps the drinking, it trumps the stupidity, and it trumps the poor decision making.

My 15 y/o son and I were just talking about this earlier. I told him that I don't care if a girl is walking down the street buck naked telling you that she wants you now. If she is not of sound mind for any reason what so ever, she is off limits. And, obviously, if she is passed out, it goes without saying that she is off limits. I told him that there will always be people out there making poor decisions in life. It is up to him to make good decisions and not counter their stupidity with his own stupidity.
 
wvjules said:
Absoutely not. That's like saying the victim asked or it and blaming the victim. Sorry, but that's part of the problem.

Exactly. She's not responsible for being raped. This is the only crime where people want to give excuses to the defendants' actions. Being drunk does not give permission to others to what they want to you. There's no apportioning of fault in a rape case.
 
Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.


She is in no way responsible for what those boys did to her. The only people responsible for what happened to her was those boys. I hope they can learn from there mistakes.
 
North of Mouse said:
Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.

I agree with this. Every word.
 
North of Mouse said:
Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.

I hope you aren't serious!
SMH
 
Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.

I don't give a damn if the girl was a hooker off the street. NO ONE DESERVE TO BE VIOLATED. She could not at all give consent to anything that happened. If someone can't get permission then a crime has been committed.
 
lovemygoofy said:
I don't give a damn if the girl was a hooker off the street. NO ONE DESERVE TO BE VIOLATED. She could not at all give consent to anything that happened. If someone can't get permission then a crime has been committed.

Amen. If these defendants had dragged around a passed out male friend and beat him up and robbed him of his wallet, no one would be saying "well that teenager should have never gotten drunk, he's partially to blame for being beaten and robbed."
 
lovemygoofy said:
I don't give a damn if the girl was a hooker off the street. NO ONE DESERVE TO BE VIOLATED. She could not at all give consent to anything that happened. If someone can't get permission then a crime has been committed.

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.
 

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