Steubenville OH case, anyone hear of this?

[goofyintoronto]

I don't give a damn if the girl was a hooker off the street. NO ONE DESERVE TO BE VIOLATED. She could not at all give consent to anything that happened. If someone can't get permission then a crime has been committed.

Again SMH!

For some people there are no words.

I did not say she asked for it, did I? No i didnt. The boys deserved what they got. Nobody deserves to be violated like that. Period. All im saying is that I hope she learned from this experience. Which is, be careful!!!! Sad thing is, you cant trust anyone. Esp a room full of drunk teens.

 

[Cinderelly5507]

Amen. If these defendants had dragged around a passed out male friend and beat him up and robbed him of his wallet, no one would be saying "well that teenager should have never gotten drunk, he's partially to blame for being beaten and robbed."

Excellent argument!!!

There is also an investigation into another alleged rape of a 14 year old girl at an after-Steubenville-prom party. The two cases are said to be very similar, but not much has been released about that.

 

[lovemygoofy]

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.

I preach and preach to young men and women in the army to have self respect and respect for others. It boils down to commmon courtesy and respect and having some decency. It doesn't matter what you wear, dress or act. If people have respect, courtesy and decency for others we wouldn't be having these discussions.

I have to preach to young women to not get so drunk you have to rely on others for help because so many people don't have those three things anymore. I have to preach to men that having a lady drunk in your room is not expressway to sex.

NO ONE DESERVES TO BE VIOLATED. It does not matter how you act, dress, drink or anything else. PERIOD.

 

[goofyintoronto]

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.

Yes exactly. You drink to the point where you pass out cold, your putting yourself at risk! Stupid thing to do! You dont think anything bad will happen to you? Really?...... Do you desrve it? Hells no! But this world is filled with a lot of wackos. So your an idiot for putting yourself in danger.

 

[wvjules]

Just wow. *shaking head*

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.

I am shocked that this type of thinking still exists today. What are you saying that men become so transformed by a sexy woman, so overcome with lust, that they must rape?

 

[nathalee81]

I have been following this case and it just sickens me...

Not only did they violate a girl who could, in no way, consent-they taped it! And, not one person tried to help this poor girl-not one.

Then, everyone tried to cover it up.

Just a massive failure on every level.

It scares me as a mother to a daughter because this is the world she lives in now...

The rapists haven't learned anything, either-the one guy could only express remorse about his life being over after being given the sentence. Maybe he should have thought about that before he violated a girl.

Lots of teenagers screw up-it is natural to make mistakes when you are young. Most, however, don't rape someone. That isn't just the garden variety teenager stupidity-that is the behavior of a sociopath or psychopath. To justify it as anything else is delusional and insulting.

 

[Cinderelly5507]

One thing I think is important (that I've posted before) is that the victim didn't believe what had happened (after she realized by seeing the events unfold on social media) was rape. Her parents made her go to the hospital, to the police station, etc... I'm sure she was afraid and scared and humiliated about it all, but I wonder how many times these assaults are happening and girls aren't considering them rape. It's pretty apparent that her friends (who testified and are no longer her friends) didn't think it was rape. The girls need educated as well as the boys that it is not ok for this to happen!

 

[roliepolieoliefan]

I did not say she asked for it, did I? No i didnt. The boys deserved what they got. Nobody deserves to be violated like that. Period. All im saying is that I hope she learned from this experience. Which is, be careful!!!! Sad thing is, you cant trust anyone. Esp a room full of drunk teens.

North of Mouse said the VICTIM bears some responsibility for getting so drunk. You totally agreed!
So you are not just saying you hope she learns from this experience. According to you, you yourself agreed the VICTIM is responsible for getting raped.
Someone else on here thinks you ( general you) deserve to be raped when you dress a certain way....

Unbelieveable !

For you 3 posters, I hope you , a daughter, mother, aunt , sister are never a victim of rape.
So sad such backward narrow thinking is still so prevaliant.

Sad world we live in.

 

[nathalee81]

Yes exactly. You drink to the point where you pass out cold, your putting yourself at risk! Stupid thing to do! You dont think anything bad will happen to you? Really?...... Do you desrve it? Hells no! But this world is filled with a lot of wackos. So your an idiot for putting yourself in danger.

So, what about a woman who goes to Wal Mart at night and gets attacked? Is she an idiot for being out at night when everyone knows it is too dangerous for woman to be out at night?

Or, what about a woman, who stops to help someone, she thinks, is in need (this is how Ted Bundy got many of his victims)? Is she an idiot because she tried to help someone, at night, and should have known better?

This kind of mentality is the reason that women don't report rapes. They don't want to become a victim for the second time by being judged...

 

[PaulaSB12]

Not to say the boys, plus others, are not guilty, but after reading about the girl, and the lies she has told in the past, and also being so drunk at other times, she should bear some responsibility also. Her parents also can not be totally unaware of their daughter's lies and reputation. I have had a teen age dau. and you may not know *everything* they do, but we did keep pretty close tabs on her and knew her friends.

The way the parents are acting, their dau. was lily white and pure, and she just wants to get on with her life. What life? The kind she has been leading? If so, the scene can well be put in place for another disaster of sorts to happen to her. She also needs to learn a lesson from this.

Wow way to go on blaming te victim, this wasn't an accident it's been said that it was a punishment for dropping one of them. The young mn basted about it, they call their group the rape team this was their fault not herd.

 

[krcit]

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.

Unreal.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.

I have help victims of rape and we have talked about the below paragraphs to groups of people. I think people here need this info.

No other crime victim is looked upon with the degree of suspicion and doubt as a victim of rape. Although there are numerous reasons why society has cast blame on the victims of rape, a major reason found in studies is that of a feeling of self protection. If one believes that the victim was responsible because she put herself in an unsafe position, such as being out late at night, drinking alcohol, dressing in a certain way, or "leading on" the rapist, then we are able to feel safer because "we wouldn't do those things." But, the basic fact remains that without consent, no means no, no matter what the situation or circumstances.


Research has found that the vast majority of rapes are planned. Rape is the responsibility of the rapist alone. Women, children and men of every age, physical type and demeanor are raped. Opportunity is the most important factor determining when a given rapist will rape.

Rape can and does strike anyone at anytime. Age, social class, ethnic group and has no bearing on the person a rapist chooses to attack. Research data clearly proves that a way a woman dresses and / or acts does not influence the rapists choice of victims. His decision to rape is based on how easily he perceives his target can be intimidated. Rapists are looking for available and vulnerable targets.
Statistics were obtained from various sources including the study Rape in America, 1992, National Victim Center, The Federal Bureau of Investigations and the National Crime Survey.

 

[goofyintoronto]

North of Mouse said the VICTIM bears some responsibility for getting so drunk. You totally agreed!
So you are not just saying you hope she learns from this experience. According to you, you yourself agreed the VICTIM is responsible for getting raped.
Someone else on here thinks you ( general you) deserve to be raped when you dress a certain way....

Unbelieveable !

For you 3 posters, I hope you , a daughter, mother, aunt , sister are never a victim of rape.
So sad such backward narrow thinking is still so prevaliant.

Sad world we live in.

Excuse me, do not put words in my mouth. Go back and read what I wrote. I said she did not deserve that, nobody does. Period. But i hope that she is careful in the future and not put herself in danger like that again. Reality is, this sort of thing isnt unusual. It happens all the time. You have to take care of yourself cause nobody else might!

So, what about a woman who goes to Wal Mart at night and gets attacked? Is she an idiot for being out at night when everyone knows it is too dangerous for woman to be out at night?

Or, what about a woman, who stops to help someone, she thinks, is in need (this is how Ted Bundy got many of his victims)? Is she an idiot because she tried to help someone, at night, and should have known better?

This kind of mentality is the reason that women don't report rapes. They don't want to become a victim for the second time by being judged...

Come on, Its not the same thing. You drink to the point where your passed out cold, you have no control over what happens to you while passed out.

Seeing someone in danger is different, you have the choice to put youself at risk and help them...or you can walk away and call 911 from your cell. Different! Some ppl work at night....you have no choice but to walk at night alone. What a stupid comparison!

All im saying is that you have to be careful. This can happen to anyone.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

One thing I think is important (that I've posted before) is that the victim didn't believe what had happened (after she realized by seeing the events unfold on social media) was rape. Her parents made her go to the hospital, to the police station, etc... I'm sure she was afraid and scared and humiliated about it all, but I wonder how many times these assaults are happening and girls aren't considering them rape. It's pretty apparent that her friends (who testified and are no longer her friends) didn't think it was rape. The girls need educated as well as the boys that it is not ok for this to happen!

A lot of girls think they deserved it because of the way they acted, dressed or where they were that night. They don't want to report it because they are humiliated, frightened; or they acted like they wanted to have sex because they are so scared and confused. It breaks my heart!

 

[brockash]

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.

Holy cow, it's hard, and really sad, to believe that people like this actually exist...although I suppose it somewhat explains how society has become what it is. I suppose your "opinion" is probably shared by many of the disgusting excuses for human beings that sat by, watched, joked and had knowledge of this crime and did nothing. How incredibly inhumane and sad. I certainly hope you never find your teenage daughter or anyone you care about in a situation like this, although if you did, perhaps you'd stop hindering society with your complete vile and ignorant thought process.

 

[lovemygoofy]

A lot of girls think they deserved it because of the way they acted, dressed or where they were that night. They don't want to report it because they are humiliated, frightened; or they acted like they wanted to have sex because they are so scared and confused. It breaks my heart!

We also are doing a poor job in society teaching women already sexually active in a relationship that they still can say no. I hear from some women who have may be in an intimate relationship that they can't go back after making that leap. I also hear from wives that believe that can't say no so they say nothing.

I'm really confused sometimes what century we live that women are not giving a choice.

 

[ashley0139]

I can't believe some people still think like this! No matter what you are wearing (or not wearing) you are NOT asking for it! This mentality implies that men have no brains and cannot think for themselves and once they become attracted to someone they have no choice. Men are not slaves to their sexual urges. The "blame the victim" mentality so many people have makes me sick. I can't believe we still have to teach girls how to not get raped. So sad.

 

[RadioNate]

What happened was despicable, but I do think if you look like a hooker, you're just asking for trouble. Sorry, but that's what I think. It doesn't excuse what the boys did, but if girls don't want to risk anything happening, don't walk around looking like a tramp. This is just general.

I. Can't. Even.

Some close to me was raped. It was winter. She was wearing jeans, boots, a sweater and a winter jacket when he grabbed her. She was walking home from her train, to her apartment. It was about 6:15pm. Winter so pretty dark out even on a well lit street in a busy city neighborhood. She was grabbed less than 100 yards from the train station and less than 50 yards from home. Drugged and when that didn't subdue her, she was beaten unconscious.

Say again that she was a tramp risking something happening to her...in general, I mean.

 

[LongLiveDisney]

I am shocked that this type of thinking still exists today. What are you saying that men become so transformed by a sexy woman, so overcome with lust, that they must rape?

That's not what I meant. I'm saying that girls shouldn't put themselves at risk in this sick world. These girls KNOW that there's some crazy men out there. If they dress very provocatively and then put themselves at risk by drinking and drinking and drinking, there is a chance that something bad is going to happen to them.