State of Fast Pass Return (or replacement)

[fatmanatee]

without really knowing or thinking about it before, I assumed Rat would be like Runaway and not be BG.

I agree with this. RR was a more hyped up attraction and it didn't require a VQ.

 

[Nick6300]

I agree with this. RR was a more hyped up attraction and it didn't require a VQ.

I hear they're both similar, trackless rides, as well, and RR is obviously newer and didn't require a VQ. Of course, there already was a VQ attraction at HS, RotR, vs. none currently at EP. But VQ at RotR seems more required not just because it's insanely popular, but it still has issues coming up on 2 yrs later.

Wonder if Rat changes EP hours earlier than 11 to help spread wait times out a little

 

[luv2cheer92]

Did it? My last trip was Dec 2019 and I don’t remember it being available on FP+….but that might just be me misremembering lol

Yes, it wasn't available right away, it was added later. Early 2020.

 

[finedice]

It’s 5pm pm on a Friday in the summer (weather looks like it’s lovely too) and I’m not seeing terrible, unbearable waits….
Longest in MK - Splash @ 65 & SDMT @ 60
Longest in Epcot - Test Track @ 60
Longest in DHS - SDD @ 80, RnrC @ 60
Longest in AK - FOP @ 95, Kali @ 60

Lots of 30, 20, 15, 10 and 5 waits at all parks….in fact, Soarin has a shorter line than LwtL at the moment lol.

Too long for $140 per day. At least for us. If 3 or 4 of the 7 were on a FP, I would be happy to wait for the other 3 or 4.

 

[Lewisc]

It's tough to argue that corporations never violate the law just because they have teams of lawyers. They do it all the time.

My comparison to hiring clauses of civil rights legislation, such as the ADA, is explicitly valid--see section 36.204: "A public accommodation shall not, directly or through contractual or other arrangements, utilize standards or criteria or methods of administration that have the effect of discriminating on the basis of disability." Note--not the intent, but the effect. Requiring people to apply for a card once a year to a third party arguably does have the effect of discriminating on the basis of disability. It imposes a burden of time, expense, and administrative BS not imposed on nondisabled people. But also it's a very weird choice to outsource determinations of what disabilities require which accommodations to an entity that is specifically focused on Autism and seems to specialize in cognitive disabilities. If you look at the list of disabilities they approve, most of them are cognitive. Which doesn't tap the surface of the vast number of disabilities that need to be individually considered.

Medically protected information isn't the issue, it's the fact that public accommodations (including theme parks) are prohibited from discriminating against people with disabilities under Title III of the ADA.

Disney's system now is very fair. It doesn't place a burden on people who need to use the system, and it doesn't really offer anything that would encourage fraud. Of course, it's still not as good as fastpass+, or a virtual queue system that would minimize lines for all. But it's fair.

I'm not sure this specifically relevant to this thread.

A theme park offers paid line skip. They don't want to jeopardize the revenue stream by offering a free alternative without ensuring the guest has a legitimate need.
I have no idea if Disney is going to go that route. The disability form might be a better place.

I used to be skeptical of some of the guests with scooters. I think, for the most part, I was wrong. A scooter doesn't help you skip lines, maybe a couple of exceptions. The fact that Disney is scooter friendly attracts guests who need one.

A few year ago I was on a guided tour. An older couple was having trouble keeping up. The guide told them to take a taxi back to our hotel, at their expense.It wasn't a Disney tour.

 

[manning]

Go for the ride showing 13 minutes wait time. It is code for walk on.

 

[Branderson610]

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[ThistleMae]

i usually come back from Disney on a high and cant wait to go back. It's not like that for me anymore.

All i see is dollar signs now.

Yeah, as the costs go up we stay fewer days. I think that's what some will have to do to keep going as it becomes more and more expensive. For the first time in 20 years my daughter and her family are considering staying offsite. And they always, always stay at a Disney resort. I'm still refusing to stay offsite, but when ME goes away that may change things for me, since I'm going to have to be using other forms of transportation any way. We shall see. I do hope FP+ comes back because I refuse to wait in long lines. I like the fact I can get on my favorite rides at least once without too much suffering.

 

[ThistleMae]

I'd be curious to know if FP+ increased or decreased guest satisfaction

I love FP+! For me it's all part of the excitement of planning, plus I always get all the FP's I want. I hate waiting in lines and will bypass any long lines and look for rides with shorter waits. Always having to wait in long lines will definitely deplete the magic for me.

 

[mom2elle]

Does anyone think there could be a connection between ROTR access being added to VIP tours and the “future version” of FP? I can’t help but wonder if, with a presumed introduction of a paid FP option, there was a need to further distinguish benefits of the VIP tours vs next gen FP?

 

[Figment of Speech]

I don't understand the sentiment that if the line is moving, it makes the wait time more tolerable.

If you consider the wait time to be separate from the wait experience, then maybe not. The line movement doesn't change how long you're in it. But continuously walking slowly is easier on the body than spending a lot of the time standing still. Better for the feet, and much better for the back. I'm sure there are people this isn't true for, since we're all built differently, but it's probably the case more often than not.

Now, is a continuously moving line as good as a FP+ situation where you don't have to spend as much time in line at all? No, of course not. We'd all rather be doing something more stimulating or comfortable. But if that's not an option, then I'd rather inch along gradually than have to stop and go.

(Speaking of continuous movement, this thread moves so fast that it was pages ago that this was a subtopic, but from timestamps, it was only just yesterday!)

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

If you consider the wait time to be separate from the wait experience, then maybe not. The line movement doesn't change how long you're in it. But continuously walking slowly is easier on the body than spending a lot of the time standing still. Better for the feet, and much better for the back. I'm sure there are people this isn't true for, since we're all built differently, but it's probably the case more often than not.

Now, is a continuously moving line as good as a FP+ situation where you don't have to spend as much time in line at all? No, of course not. We'd all rather be doing something more stimulating or comfortable. But if that's not an option, then I'd rather inch along gradually than have to stop and go.

(Speaking of continuous movement, this thread moves so fast that it was pages ago that this was a subtopic, but from timestamps, it was only just yesterday!)

I think of it as driving in traffic. I would rather drive 80 mins with cars actually moving then 80 in stand still traffic.

Still 80 mins but one is slightly more enjoyable then the other.

 

[luv2cheer92]

I think of it as driving in traffic. I would rather drive 80 mins with cars actually moving then 80 in stand still traffic.

Still 80 mins but one is slightly more enjoyable then the other.

I brought this up earlier, too. I would rather even drive for 100 minutes if I was moving the whole time, rather than 80 minutes of mostly sitting still. And I do this frequently while driving home from work.

 

[finedice]

I'd rather be getting there faster and then lounging at the pool!

 

[Grasshopper2016]

Current posted waits at DHS:
Star Tours-35 minutes; ToT-50 minutes; TSM-105 minutes; SDD-100 minutes; AS2–60 minutes; MFSR-75 minutes; MMRR-65 minutes; RnRC-85 minutes
Come on Disney! What will it take to bring back Fastpasses??

 

[Narcoossee11]

Current posted waits at DHS:
Star Tours-35 minutes; ToT-50 minutes; TSM-105 minutes; SDD-100 minutes; AS2–60 minutes; MFSR-75 minutes; MMRR-65 minutes
Come on Disney! What will it take to bring back Fastpasses??

It will take $$$$$$$$. You pay them $10 per ride and they will be waiting for you.

 

[kc51570]

Current posted waits at DHS:
Star Tours-35 minutes; ToT-50 minutes; TSM-105 minutes; SDD-100 minutes; AS2–60 minutes; MFSR-75 minutes; MMRR-65 minutes
Come on Disney! What will it take to bring back Fastpasses??

It’s terrible. Went to HS this morning. Slinky dog was 100 minutes at opening. RnR was down. Every day something is down at open. People are behaving badly-lots of very blatant line cutters. Did toy story mania and star tours and left at 10AM. We’ve come about once a year for 12-13 years excluding last year. Worst trip ever.
There was an older woman in dress clothes with a cast member name tag taking pictures of the slinky dog line with the 100m sign. I was tempted to ask her if the photos she was capturing were to prove the need for FPs.

 

[New Mouse]

Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just

It’s terrible. Went to HS this morning. Slinky dog was 100 minutes at opening. RnR was down. Every day something is down at open. People are behaving badly-lots of very blatant line cutters. Did toy story mania and star tours and left at 10AM. We’ve come about once a year for 12-13 years excluding last year. Worst trip ever.
There was an older woman in dress clothes with a cast member name tag taking pictures of the slinky dog line with the 100m sign. I was tempted to ask her if the photos she was capturing were to prove the need for FPs.

Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just make the standby lines longer.


The only thing there is a need for is opening more experiences which is why the lines are the way they are. Disney got greedy (shocker) and raised capacity before they could handle it.

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

Current posted waits at DHS:
Star Tours-35 minutes; ToT-50 minutes; TSM-105 minutes; SDD-100 minutes; AS2–60 minutes; MFSR-75 minutes; MMRR-65 minutes; RnRC-85 minutes
Come on Disney! What will it take to bring back Fastpasses??

Im here now. TOT had 50 posted and was on in about 27 mins. MMRR was posted as 65. Took about 47 mins. On SDD now with 100 posted. ( touring plans says 60 ) Will update when off. Got the clock running. Touring plans app is more accurate

EDIT: Slinky ended up being 61 mins

 

[Wandering Oaken]

Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just



Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just make the standby lines longer.


The only thing there is a need for is opening more experiences which is why the lines are the way they are. Disney got greedy (shocker) and raised capacity before they could handle it.

No. No it won't.