Staring at other people's children (ie tantrums, crying etc.)

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madgomez said:
Well then you should understand some adults not letting you or your special needs child off the hook because they cannot SEE anything wrong. They are taking the same approach you are. You know nothing about the adults who roll eyes, make comments, etc., except what you see - you assume they are normal so therefor they are rude.

Isn't that the same type of judgement you are complaining about???? Or do you assume that all children, regardless of physical and mental conditions or limitations, automatically grow into normal and mature adults? Of course not - so what is the magic age at which we should no longer "understand" that there may be a problem, and no longer give them the benefit of the doubt? My point is, there is none. That was the point of my post to the original OP since looks and comments were so upsetting to her, and why she should not get so upset.

No it is not thanks for giving me the oportunity to clarify it for you.

How about the adult who is capable of forming a complete thought (the rude comment) cut the family some slack since special needs or not it is still just a child. 'If you don't have anything nice to say don't say it all' comes to mind.
 
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Well then you should understand some adults not letting you or your special needs child off the hook because they cannot SEE anything wrong. They are taking the same approach you are. You know nothing about the adults who roll eyes, make comments, etc., except what you see - you assume they are normal so therefor they are rude.

Isn't that the same type of judgement you are complaining about???? Or do you assume that all children, regardless of physical and mental conditions or limitations, automatically grow into normal and mature adults? Of course not - so what is the magic age at which we should no longer "understand" that there may be a problem, and no longer give them the benefit of the doubt? My point is, there is none. That was the point of my post to the original OP since looks and comments were so upsetting to her, and why she should not get so upset





This post above i just cut because i did not have time to go back and quote the original one, you know what they say about people who assume and if you don't pm me cuz i'll be glad to tell you in private, other then that this is a response that i cannot really respond to because i would probably get kicked off the boards, some times i cannot believe people just don't use common sense. Who says YOU have to sSEE what is wrong, who are you supposed to be?
 
HappyLawyer said:
hey, i taught special education for two years and i became more aware of different disabilities. The point is even if people shake their heads, tune them out, who cares what others think, no parent is perfect, no child is ever perfect and if the child is then something is wrong, we all have moments that makes us less then happy, we went to the circus one year and my neice who was 2 saw the people sitting behind us with some nachos, she practically climbed over my sister shoulders to get to the back row, the people were looking and we apologized she acted like she had never been fed in her life, she would not stop, but remember it passes and just tune others out.

99% of the time it is easy to tune people out but if you have had a miserable day or your son (mine for example) has had 7 seizures and now is upset because test track is closed because of rain ,it may take that one unkind word to remind you of how untypical your life is and how your child just got to the breaking point because life is so freaken hard for him. That is where a mom/or dad may lose it and cry (or get POed).

This is not a life I would have ever chosen for my child and in a heartnbeat I would take away all his hardships but I will be darned if I will sit here at allow people to cut slack for the the adults making fun or or rude comments. It is not acceptable. If you have nothing nice to say walk away PLEASE and if you do have an encouraging word or just want to check on the situation with 'been there' glance it is more than welcomed (or grab my pocketbook which is probably falling to the ground or the stroller rolling away).

I spend hours a week discussing my sons issues with professionals trying everything under the sun to make life easier for him and I think is takes alot of hubris for a person to think they have got the right or the advice to give me after seeing my son for 5 minutes during a hard day/time.

Thankfully if Ds has acted up we have never been approached by a rude person at WDW. We have gotten the smile.
 
3DisneyNUTS said:
One of the ways you can tell is by looking at the parents reaction. The reaction is not "typical" because the parent understands that the child is working through an issue.

For example you may see my son having a tantrum at the airport. You will see me holding him sitting with him till he calms down talking to him in a soothing voice. While other parents go straight to disipline I know with my son he has to calm down first before anything I say to him will be understood. It may look like I am not disiplining him but by the time you see it the episode is "over" to the average observer and that is where the comments would start "if that were my kid...etc."

So if you see a parent who has unusual amount of patience considering how badly the child is flipping out that could be a sign that there is more going on than you know. So sometimes the child may look typical but really isn't.

Another thing to cue into is what the parent may be saying. Like "it is ok, use your words" is something I say alot. My son needs prompting and encouragement to speak. He has extreme difficulty talking and just that prompting helps him relax and that mommy is on the same page as he is. So if it seems the parent is handling it "better" than those around (meaning they are not stressing out or getting into a battle with the child) or if they seem to be "trained" in dealing with the behavior even though it may seem like something the average parent would not do. It is easy to guess there may be an issue involved.

thanks.. i have heard parents say the use your words type comments before and never would have associated it ..

also a question about the child banging his head on the rail...shouldn't the parents or someone stop something like this so he doesn't seriously injure himself ? is there any reason why in a situation like this case they didn't( I can picture my self saying something to the parents in a case like that since it appears they are negelecting/ignoring it and the child could be hurt..which from this thread might be right or wrong to do...probably something dumb like" excuse me your child might get hurt. i don't know if you noticed what is happening " (not mean )but at this point i really don't know if that would be perceived as rudeness ?
 

jann1033 said:
thanks.. i have heard parents say the use your words type comments before and never would have associated it ..

also a question about the child banging his head on the rail...shouldn't the parents or someone stop something like this so he doesn't seriously injure himself ? is there any reason why in a situation like this case they didn't( I can picture my self saying something to the parents in a case like that since it appears they are negelecting/ignoring it and the child could be hurt..which from this thread might be right or wrong to do...probably something dumb like" excuse me your child might get hurt. i don't know if you noticed what is happening " (not mean )but at this point i really don't know if that would be perceived as rudeness ?

Helpful comments or comments that show concern are never rude. The ones that are judgemental like "that kid needs a good ....." or "if he were my kid I would...." or "can't you control your kid" Stuff like that.
Asking if they need help or if there is anything you can do is an offer of kindness. As far as this child banging his head on the rail I have no idea why the parent wasn't trying to stop them but my guess would be they can't (probably have tried everything and nothing is working) and being the child is there it can't be hurting them too much. Sometimes it looks worse than it is. That may be the child's coping mechanism for stress and the head banging may actually be soothing to that child. It is hard to say but if the parents aren't too concerned I would try and sit back. Offer help but if it seems unwelcomed just do your best to try and ignore it. Unless of corse it is obvious the child is hurt. Then I would get a cast member. But only if it were obvious that the child was hurt.
 
mattsdragon,
That was my point in my earlier post as well. All kids, autistic or not, have tantrums and misbehave. Alot of them are testing their parents to see what they can get away with and it is up to us as parents to let them know what is and isn't proper public behavior. The parents that really anger me are the ones who just don't care. Who let their kids do whatever they want and don't even try to control them. Those are the ones that get the dirty looks from me and always will.
I have four kids and love them to death but they are kids, not angels and they do act up. But when they do I address the problem not just ignore it like I have seen some people do.
I think the original poster got upset and rightfully so because she WAS trying her best and still got dirty looks/comments and that wasn't fair.
 
I agree, she was upset because she was getting these looks, and rightfully so, she doesn't deserve these looks. But from reading her other posts, she sounds like she is suddenly taking everything on here personally as well. I guarentee that over 50% of the people who would give an eye roll or a comment to a parent of a tantruming child would walk right by her child because it sounds like she tries to do something. Some people are just jerks, and are going to be jerks regardless of circumstances.
 
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mattsdragon said:
It sounds to me as if you take things too personally. The problem that I have with kids throwing tantrums isn't with the kid. They are often tired, hot, over-stimulated, and excited. Kids are going to be a bit hard to handle if you don't have children yourself.

The problem is with parents. Let me put that in caps. THE PROBLEM IS WITH PARENTS. When I see a kid acting like a complete pain in the a$$ and the parent isn't doing ANYTHING, or is trying to bribe their child to act like a human being, I'm going to roll my f'in eyes. You are damn right.

But I'm sure that you, being the parent of an autistic child understand that you can't just sit back and say "honey, what is your problem? would you like to talk about it?" or "just let him scream himself out".

If you don't want rolled eyes or comments, then say "hey, you try raising an autistic child". But to condemn everyone that looks at a screaming child with disdain is just as narrow minded. You are in the minority, don't expect everyone to walk on egg shells just in case they come across some kid acting like a brat because they are autistic. Be pro-active, and don't be give the impression that you are enabling your child.
What does your behavior teach your own children? Not to have any empathy or compassion for someone having a hard time? Do you laugh at people changing a tire too? Geesh!
 
mattsdragon said:
I agree, she was upset because she was getting these looks, and rightfully so, she doesn't deserve these looks. But from reading her other posts, she sounds like she is suddenly taking everything on here personally as well. I guarentee that over 50% of the people who would give an eye roll or a comment to a parent of a tantruming child would walk right by her child because it sounds like she tries to do something. Some people are just jerks, and are going to be jerks regardless of circumstances.
So being that 50% makes it right and justifies your eyeroll? Good grief!
 
Just Remember Your Children Are Just Like You !!!!!!!!!!
 
ton80 said:
Just Remember Your Children Are Just Like You !!!!!!!!!!


That is not always true. If a child has a disability, many times, their actions are controlled by a chemical imbalance in the brain, not what they have learned.
 
jann1033 said:
thanks.. i have heard parents say the use your words type comments before and never would have associated it ..

also a question about the child banging his head on the rail...shouldn't the parents or someone stop something like this so he doesn't seriously injure himself ? is there any reason why in a situation like this case they didn't( I can picture my self saying something to the parents in a case like that since it appears they are negelecting/ignoring it and the child could be hurt..which from this thread might be right or wrong to do...probably something dumb like" excuse me your child might get hurt. i don't know if you noticed what is happening " (not mean )but at this point i really don't know if that would be perceived as rudeness ?


My dad's ex-wife has a nephew with cerebral palsy and would hit his head against anything. Poor baby has hit his noggin on items such a sliding glass door and busted it to pieces without getting a scratch himself.

Her nephew in view of others is out of control, but sadly, he has no idea what he is doing nor can his mother or father make him stop. How do you tell a child that cannot comprehend and cannot speak and has limited hearing to stop before he hurts himself or maybe somebody else. He should not be kept in the house and should be allowed to go in public. Granted, he is limited in some cases, but not all. She certainly cannot take him to a glass blowing shop or a lamp store, but he can certainly go to Sesame Place, Disney, Sea World, etc.
 
I will never, ever spank my child or yell in his face like I have seen other fathers do. I just let him have his time and we know he'll calm down after a few minutes. I do really at times want to tell the ones with no kids just give it a try for 24 hours and lets see how they would handle it..
Me too...I have noticed that mostly people with no kids are the quickest ones to give opinions on these things.
I have a 3 year old, and like any 3 year old he has his fits...which is why whenever I hear or see a baby or toddler having a hard time, I always am sympathetic to the parents and smile at them. I KNOW what they are going through, whether they have a disabled child that I do not know about or not! The only time I get agitated is if I see a parent reacting back to the child badly!!

I was in In and Out once, and as we were walking by some tables, my son out of the blue just let out a quick squeal and dropped to the floor ---he does that when he is frustrated. I have no idea why he did it...but this older lady gave out a very disgruntled sound. She had every right to be startled by it, because I was as well. I thought that after the startle, she would at least be a little sympathetic because I picked him right up and started to hurry and carry him out. But I got the dirtiest look...so when I was back at my table, and she was still glaring at me, I gave the dirtiest look right back! :teeth:
 
3DisneyNUTS said:
What does your behavior teach your own children? Not to have any empathy or compassion for someone having a hard time? Do you laugh at people changing a tire too? Geesh!
So you take things personally too. (And actually, being in the Coast Guard, I'm rather dedicated to helping people both on the water and the road who are having troubles. I dedicate, and risk my life to help others, what do you do?).

But if you had read anything of what I said and weren't so reactionary, you would realize that I was saying that most people are understanding and can see when a parent is being exhausted and trying to actually do something about their childs behavior, and a parent who isn't doing their responsibility. I, like most (the over 50% I referred to) would actually understand that a child is developmentally challenged by the parent's actions. Most people who are disgusted by a child throwing a tantrum are actually reacting to a parent's apathy towards parenting.

Hmmm, don't have to guess which kids are yours in a crowd.
 
I didn't read this whole thread, but I have a story to tell. Yesterday I took my kids, 5 and 7 to IHOP for dinner. We have been there many times and have had meltdowns there. :rolleyes1 I read them the riot act and told them I expected good behaviour before we even left the house. Well, last night it was someone else's turn for a meltdown and it was a doozy. My kids started staring and making comments. I said "We aren't going to stare or say a single word because we've been there ourselves, haven't we?" Silence at the table! The other mom was by herself with 2 kids, brave soul. She dragged them out of the restaurant and then quietly slipped them back in to finish the meal later. Good for her!
 
Most people who are disgusted by a child throwing a tantrum are actually reacting to a parent's apathy towards parenting.
That is soo not true. In my post about the lady giving me a dirty look it had nothing to do with my apathy of being a parent--I was handling the situation, and quickly too... alot of times they are just impatient people who don't want to hear it.

mattsdragon, just out of curiosity, do you have kids? If so, how many? And while I appreciate those of you who are serving our country, and I know the comment was not directed at me, I didn't appreciate the what do you do attitude...as if doing other jobs aren't noble too. Even if someone does not have a job, being a stay at home mom or dad is plenty dedicated to serving others.
Hmmm, don't have to guess which kids are yours in a crowd.
I thought your post towards the other poster was rather harsh and mean....almost patronizing.
 
ton80 said:
Just Remember Your Children Are Just Like You !!!!!!!!!!

That is one of the most ignorant comments I have read on this board.
 
Hi Carrie -

I am going down soon, and also have an 5yo son with an ASD (Autistic Spectrum Disorder). I think you can reduce some stress by anticipating some ignorant comments. It's unfortunate parents like us have to prep for this negativity even before going to the happiest place on earth.

Having a child with autism is a double edged sword. Your child 'blends' 95% of the time. (Depending of course where your child is on the spectrum - my son is HFA so 95% of the time looks typical). This has pluses and BIG minuses. People see a child with Downs they 'understand' there is something different about your child. I plan on getting some business cards that explain autism ....and passing them to people who are oblivious to this disorder. Hopefully I can educate some. If we remain silent, the ignorance will continue to deafening.

I SOO understand where you are coming from - You are not alone. BIG HUGS.
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Carrieberry said:
Hi all. We just returned from our trip to WDW on Friday night. My 6 year old son is autistic, and though to most people he appears to be "normal" he most deifintely is not. Autism is a developmental delay. Many autistic chilren are non verbal-they do not or cannot talk.I should not have to sit in the Fantasyland restaurant crying because of the comments and looks I get from other parents (not that I saw any lime green on any of them!). Thanks for reading.
 
Respectfully - if your not a parent of such a child, I doubt you do. If I hear one more time - I had a friend - distant family member. You dont have to live with this disability 24 hours a day, so please dont belittle what these parents go through.

mattsdragon said:
I have an autistic cousin, and I know your problems. I feel sorry for you and hope that your son is able to overcome as many of his developmental problems as possible.
 
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