Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

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So I have to ask them. What did you want or what did you expect from this film? A episode 5 remake? I’m just trying to understand why some dislike it so much. I’m young and obviously didn’t grow up with the originals so I have a different view point. I also know die hards who did like it.
My main gripe is the characterization of Luke Skywalker in the film. One of my good friends, who is also an older Star Wars fan like me, thought the film was great. He's trying to talk me into seeing once more. I told him that if he purchased the ticket, I might consider it.
 
My main gripe is the characterization of Luke Skywalker in the film. One of my good friends, who is also an older Star Wars fan like me, thought the film was great. He's trying to talk me into seeing once more. I told him that if he purchased the ticket, I might consider it.
Interesting. Luke was one of the things I liked most about the film.
 

I still want to know how Maz Kanata found the blue lightsaber and if there was still a hand holding it!
This could make for a good Star Wars stand alone film - "The search for Darth Vader's lightsaber on Bespin - a Star Wars Story".
 
This could make for a good Star Wars stand alone film - "The search for Darth Vader's lightsaber on Bespin - a Star Wars Story".

Maz said it was a story for "another time." Hopefully that means "another film." With Rian Johnson in another galaxy, far, far away.
 
My main gripe is the characterization of Luke Skywalker in the film. One of my good friends, who is also an older Star Wars fan like me, thought the film was great. He's trying to talk me into seeing once more. I told him that if he purchased the ticket, I might consider it.

Give it another viewing...this time knowing what happens...I think you might start to see that it was actually very good story arch for him to start to question the veneration of the Jedi order.

Remember, Luke was never perfect, he was flawed. Even at his peak...facing the Emperor he allows his hubris to take over and he tosses away his lightsaber, even though Yoda warned him not to underestimate the Emperor. The rest of the characters have venerated him to a level he can't live up to.

I have honestly liked the new direction better than the old Expanded Universe with Han Solo as a ruler, Chewie being crushed by a planet, and Han and Leia naming a kid "Anakin" (ummmm, didn't those writers ever see the movies? Anakin, as Darth Vader TORTURES both Han and Leia...redemption or not, that is the sort of thing you don't overlook when naming your kids after someone).
 
Maz said it was a story for "another time." Hopefully that means "another film." With Rian Johnson in another galaxy, far, far away.
But the person who asked the question was Han Solo. We all know what happened to him. So, if he isn’t alive, maybe we will never know. :D
 
But the person who asked the question was Han Solo. We all know what happened to him. So, if he isn’t alive, maybe we will never know. :D

They have said that they don't really want to cover what happens between Eps 6 and 7 until after the Sequel Trilogy is complete. Personally, I think after Ep 9 we turn that over to Dave Filoni and Lucasfilm Animation!
 
But the person who asked the question was Han Solo. We all know what happened to him. So, if he isn’t alive, maybe we will never know. :D

I don't think there was ever any intention to explain it. Let's just throw that on the pile of poorly thought out plot devices in the saga...it is annoying, but no more annoying then Obi-Wan and R2 acting like they have no clue who each other one is after spending so much time together in the prequels...I can understand obi-wan hiding things (you would have thought he learned his lesson about that during exile)...but once Luke got to translating R2 in his X-Wing, why didn't R2 just say, "look dude was lying to you, Vader is Anakin, he killed your mom by breaking her heart...after force choking her...and by the way, your sister is also named Leia and was last seen heading home with Bail Organa...SOOOO I am pretty sure Leia Organa is your sister, so stop kissing her like that."
 
Saw it again last night. This time there was no applause after Holdo’s suicide mission this time like the first time I saw it. Really didn’t appreciate how awesome that was the first time to have that silence stretch out in packed theater after everything before was so loud was amazing.
 
Also took my kids my son is 24 and daughter is 19 they both loved it. My son is the much bigger Star Wars fan he left feeling exhausted said he was stressed out the whole movie cause he didn’t know what would happen next. My daughter was just a casual Star Wars fan before TFW she is so into it now. I think Abrams deserves a lot of credit in creating a character like Rey along with great casting of Daisy Ridley. I think so many more girls are into Star Wars now because of Rey just a brilliant move that was so well done.
 
Give it another viewing...this time knowing what happens...I think you might start to see that it was actually very good story arch for him to start to question the veneration of the Jedi order.

When we got home from watching it we turned on the TV and ROTJ was on so we watched the end of that. Went through a quick viewing of TFA and decided to give The Last Jedi another viewing. I thought maybe it was the frame of mind I was in for the original viewing. Nope, this movie is colossally bad. Just took a blind poll(except for me) among the 5 of us that saw it over the weekend. Average score = 3.4.

I really enjoyed TFA, we have probably watched it as a family a dozen times since it first came out. JJ Abrams basically lofted a game winning alley oop up right in front of the rim. All Rian Johnson had to do was throw it down. Instead he seemed to jump up and plucked the ball out of the air then proceed to lob a full court shot at his own basket, missing badly and hitting a beer vendor in the face instead.

***Spoilers Below***

Some of the things we are subjected to in this movie:

1. Poe making a prank call to General Hux ala Bart Simpson. Might as well have asked for Mr. Rotch, first name Mike.
2. Bombs FALLING out of a resistance bomber onto a Imperial Dreadnaught.
3. Poe Dameron getting slapped down repeatedly and kept in the dark by Admiral Purple hair and Princess Leia.
4. A ridiculous cross galaxy conference call to MAZ for advice on finding a hacker that wasn't needed anyways and who just so happened to be on the payroll of the first order. If they could make this call why didn't they call someone for help?
5. A slow motion chase through space while a rebel ship slowly runs out of gas, reminded me of the episode of seinfeld where Kramer and the Car salesman try to drive as far as they can before running out of gas.
6. Poe sending Finn on a worthless mission after Finn tries to desert
7. More Poe getting slapped down more
8. Luke milking a random sea monster and drinking the blue(yes I got that reference) milk
9. Luke spear fishing with an impossibly long dangly spear. BTW how did he get the fish off the end? Did he ask Rey to use the force to do it?
10. Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder(symbolic of how the director views the original trilogy?)
11. Useless mission to evil capitalist casino planet to free space horses and accomplish nothing.
12. Another appearance by Del Toro in a sci fi movie that he lends no value to. (seriously why does this guy keep popping up in movies? Does he work cheap?)
13. Zero answers to the two main questions from TFA
14. Princess Leia taking the stupidest space flight since the original Superman movie
15. Luke projecting himself across the galaxy for a faux lightsaber fight before dying of embarrassment. In all fairness I doubt his delaying action was needed as the first order would have screwed up the assault on the salt mine given enough time.
16. Thor and Loki saving the last remnants of the people of Asgard from the clutches of the first order.

Yes I get that this is supposed to be a new direction and tough luck on those of us who were hoping for something more from Luke, Leia and company. However if the director and people in charge of this mess were so sure that their new direction was golden, why didn't they let Rian start out with a totally separate trilogy? Why the need to ride the coat tails of Solos and Skywalkers only to dump on their legacy? I think we know the answer to that.
 
When we got home from watching it we turned on the TV and ROTJ was on so we watched the end of that. Went through a quick viewing of TFA and decided to give The Last Jedi another viewing. I thought maybe it was the frame of mind I was in for the original viewing. Nope, this movie is colossally bad. Just took a blind poll(except for me) among the 5 of us that saw it over the weekend. Average score = 3.4.

I really enjoyed TFA, we have probably watched it as a family a dozen times since it first came out. JJ Abrams basically lofted a game winning alley oop up right in front of the rim. All Rian Johnson had to do was throw it down. Instead he seemed to jump up and plucked the ball out of the air then proceed to lob a full court shot at his own basket, missing badly and hitting a beer vendor in the face instead.

***Spoilers Below***

Some of the things we are subjected to in this movie:

1. Poe making a prank call to General Hux ala Bart Simpson. Might as well have asked for Mr. Rotch, first name Mike.
2. Bombs FALLING out of a resistance bomber onto a Imperial Dreadnaught.
3. Poe Dameron getting slapped down repeatedly and kept in the dark by Admiral Purple hair and Princess Leia.
4. A ridiculous cross galaxy conference call to MAZ for advice on finding a hacker that wasn't needed anyways and who just so happened to be on the payroll of the first order. If they could make this call why didn't they call someone for help?
5. A slow motion chase through space while a rebel ship slowly runs out of gas, reminded me of the episode of seinfeld where Kramer and the Car salesman try to drive as far as they can before running out of gas.
6. Poe sending Finn on a worthless mission after Finn tries to desert
7. More Poe getting slapped down more
8. Luke milking a random sea monster and drinking the blue(yes I got that reference) milk
9. Luke spear fishing with an impossibly long dangly spear. BTW how did he get the fish off the end? Did he ask Rey to use the force to do it?
10. Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder(symbolic of how the director views the original trilogy?)
11. Useless mission to evil capitalist casino planet to free space horses and accomplish nothing.
12. Another appearance by Del Toro in a sci fi movie that he lends no value to. (seriously why does this guy keep popping up in movies? Does he work cheap?)
13. Zero answers to the two main questions from TFA
14. Princess Leia taking the stupidest space flight since the original Superman movie
15. Luke projecting himself across the galaxy for a faux lightsaber fight before dying of embarrassment. In all fairness I doubt his delaying action was needed as the first order would have screwed up the assault on the salt mine given enough time.
16. Thor and Loki saving the last remnants of the people of Asgard from the clutches of the first order.

Yes I get that this is supposed to be a new direction and tough luck on those of us who were hoping for something more from Luke, Leia and company. However if the director and people in charge of this mess were so sure that their new direction was golden, why didn't they let Rian start out with a totally separate trilogy? Why the need to ride the coat tails of Solos and Skywalkers only to dump on their legacy? I think we know the answer to that.


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I can understand not liking it but man some of the comments here I just don't understand.

Um, Star Wars has never taken physics and reality into account in everything they do. Would bombs actually fall in space? No, but a lot even in the originals wouldn't actually happen in space.

Star Wars was never intended to be a best picture nominee. Both JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson are Star Wars fans they know and understand what came before the new trilogy. JJ especially is a Star Wars nerd.

If we go back and nit pick episodes 4-6 there are issues with those as well but at the time they captivated their audiences and drew them into this universe. Imagine the first film being released today.
 
Couldn’t get that link to work but I found this

https://qz.com/1160551/the-rotten-tomatoes-score-for-the-last-jedi-may-be-rigged/

From that article

One angry, anti-Disney Star Wars fan is proudly claiming the credit for the disconnect. An anonymous individual who runs the Facebook page “Down With Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys” claims to have used bots to create fake Facebook accounts that logged into Rotten Tomatoes and posted negative reviews of the film to lower the audience score. Similar to the Tomatometer score, the audience score measures the share of viewers on Rotten Tomatoes who said they liked the movie.

Some people need to get a life
 
I don't think there was ever any intention to explain it. Let's just throw that on the pile of poorly thought out plot devices in the saga...it is annoying, but no more annoying then Obi-Wan and R2 acting like they have no clue who each other one is after spending so much time together in the prequels...I can understand obi-wan hiding things (you would have thought he learned his lesson about that during exile)...but once Luke got to translating R2 in his X-Wing, why didn't R2 just say, "look dude was lying to you, Vader is Anakin, he killed your mom by breaking her heart...after force choking her...and by the way, your sister is also named Leia and was last seen heading home with Bail Organa...SOOOO I am pretty sure Leia Organa is your sister, so stop kissing her like that."

One thing I will say about Obi-Wan and R2, I could totally see Obi-Wan not recognizing some random Astromech. Unlike Anakin, Luke, and some others, he never treated droids like they were people. To him, he's seen hundreds of blue R2 units, and he's a bit of an elitist. We as the audience don't see it, but there are literally millions of the exact same model as any droid we see and the majority of the inhabitants of the galxy don't give them a second thought.

Now, R2 would definitely have known all about Obi-Wan, though he was helping in the manipulation to get Luke into the fight. I agree that he probably could have told him to quit kissing his sister though.
 
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