Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reaction and Discussion *CONTAINS SPOILERS*

[Airship Ariadne]

nope - Storm Troopers are supposed to follow orders, not think for themselves .... so clearly that poster is more fit for Officer Training

Just so long as I don't have to stand next to "General Hugs" like Adrian Edmonson did...I kept expecting him to break into his Vyvian character from The Young Ones and beat Hux with a cricket bat.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

On Rotten Tomatoes, the difference seems to be between paid reviewers and unpaid reviewers.

I don’t know about that. This smells like a campaign... crankiest people creating 100 accounts each to diss the film.

When exit interviews of regular people give it an A, I trust that more than fan reviews on rotten tomatoes.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I wonder if some of the difference in people's opinions on the movie is related to how long you've been a Star Wars fan? I've been a mega Star Wars fan since the first film was released in 1977 and I absolutely hated TLJ.

Don’t think so. The first SW movie I was old enough to see in the theater was Empire — saw a double feature Ep 4-5, actually.

I’ve been in love with SW since then, and thought TLJ was really good. There were moments that made me roll my eyes a tad, but nothing that detracted from the overall quality of the film IMO.

A lot of the loudest complaints I’ve heard seem to be from people who 1) built up Luke Skywalker to be a Demi-god of some sort and are disappointed (I never did) and/or 2) spent 2yrs theorizing about who Snoke was and who Rey’s parents were, just for this movie to say “meh, who cares” to both on some level. I never gave that too much thought.

I can TOTALLY see Luke turning out the way he did in this movie. The saddest thing to me is just that Leia doesn’t get a proper send off in Ep 9.

I won’t go into the “why do we need purple haired Laura Dern — just give that role to Ackbar as it should be” type of stuff that I did think. Or the disjointed quasi-political statement about mean rich exploiters and the meek who shall inherit the earth. Thought Rose was weak, and that the Kylo/Darth thing (and some other things) now lack connection to earlier installments. And I could go on about some of that stuff. But I won’t, because none of that took down the movie for me.

And there were scenes I loved like Rey/Kylo teaming up. Loved seeing yoda/Luke reunion and Luke/Leia reunion though brief. Thought most of the humor was actually pretty good — especially compared to the trash in Ep 1-3. And our theatre erupted in applause and shouts (the good kind) MULIPLE times — much more than Force Awakens. I’ll definiely see this again. My kids have already seen it twice.

 

[Iowamomof4]

Some have talked about why R2-D2 didn't tell Luke about Anakin/Vader (sorry, I didn't get them all quoted). Didn't they wipe 3PO and R2's memories at the end of Revenge of the Sith?

 

[mcjaco]

Some have talked about why R2-D2 didn't tell Luke about Anakin/Vader (sorry, I didn't get them all quoted). Didn't they wipe 3PO and R2's memories at the end of Revenge of the Sith?

Yes.

 

[romitaz]

For those complaining about the physics of the Star Wars universe, you know that Star Wars is not really a Scifi movie right? It's much more a western shot in space than a true SciFi movie.

As far as bombs FALLING in space, how far does the gravity field(you know, the one that must be there considering they have gravity without spin) extend beyond the hull? Maybe that's why they had to get so close. Another noggin scratcher for you.


Has anyone noticed the lack of physical armaments? 99% of all weapons in the SW universe are light and energy based. Why fire a laser at a fixed point? Throw a few rods of titanium, or similar metals, at the planet and do much more damage with much less energy expended. Like I said, not as much SciFi as a western with cool toys in space.

 

[Music City Mama]

The guy looked like Hugh Hefner sitting around in his gold sequined bathrobe

I thought the same thing!

Has anyone mentioned yet about the little boy who worked in the stables, and when the "horse creatures" were released, he let out a "Woo hoo" or something that was so reminiscent of little Ani from TPM? It seriously made me cringe.

We saw the movie this weekend and we all managed to avoid spoilers beforehand. While the rest of my family really liked it, I had really mixed feelings. I went home and was so happy to read the reviews here and elsewhere about a lot of the same complaints I had. I didn't hate it -- I thought it was entertaining -- and there were some really good moments -- but overall, far from my favorite.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

As far as bombs FALLING in space, how far does the gravity field(you know, the one that must be there considering they have gravity without spin) extend beyond the hull? Maybe that's why they had to get so close. Another noggin scratcher for you.

plus, for all we know, each of the bombs could have had a little projections system or something collectively within the ships that "pushes" the bombs in the direction for them to go - then without any gravity they would stay going in that direction until something else changes

I mean, who knows exactly, but just feels like getting caught up in details that small takes away from just enjoying a fun movie (and, like you said, Star Wars isn't Sci Fi - so it doesn't have to follow accepted scientific principles)

 

[Irish_Mike]

Yes.

Canonically, only 3P0 had his memories wiped - R2 kept his.

BAIL ORGANA: I'm placing these droids in your care. Treat them well. Clean them up. Have the Protocol Droid's mind wiped.

 

[skier_pete]

So, I really have dismissed most of the complaints about this movie - I just get so tired of movies being picked apart because they don't conform to ones personal biases / beliefs / objectives. None of us "own" Star Wars. When a new movie comes out, we can like it, love it, or hate it, and it really isn't going to much affect the next one. And the more I think about it, I really love what this movie did. It made me think and feel and especially through me off of expectations - even being told that it was going to do that. For the 9th movie in a series to accomplish that. (Which for how good Rouge One was it did absolutely nothing surprising at all.)

But I read an article that bothers me a little bit. In an interview with Rian Johnson - he said that he really was completely on his own with writing Episode 8, that there was really no feedback of expectations from JJ Abrams or the writers of Episode 7. Likewise, there's near zero feedback going to the Episode 9 writers on where he was going from Episode 8.

It really makes me a bit disappointed, that no-one bothered to plan for an over-arcing story of these 3 movies. It makes it feel like maybe it's a trilogy in name only.

Now - let's be honest here - the original trilogy was not written as one continuous story in any way. Lucas can say he had ideas in place, but I suspect most of that is complete BS. I am even suspicious that he thought Darth Vader was Luke's father when he wrote the original movie, and I certainly don't think he had in mind Luke and Leia being brother and sister in the first movie - she was clearly meant to be Luke's love interest from the beginning. And the prequels also felt like there was no grand outline for these 3 movies - other than that Lucas knew he had to get to point C from some point A.

Even so - it lessens my enthusiasm for Episode 9. It feels like Episode 7 built up this expectation of these new characters, and then Episode 8 sort of ripped that foundation out from underneath them - which I totally LOVE that it did. But now it feels like those same characters are almost starting over after Episode 8, and I want to think there was some plan to bring them to a conclusion with Episode 9. But now we know that is not the case. So really Episode 9 just feels like its going to end up being another stand-alone movie in a long line of Star Wars movies. For all their flaws - Episode 6 and Episode 3 both felt like conclusions of their stories. Will episode 9 feel that way? Will we get a defeat of the first order? A Victory for the rebels/resistance? I just don't know. In some ways - it feels really could to NOT know where they are going with this, but it does shake my confidence in their ability to get there. I just don't know that JJ and company have the ability to stick this landing.

 

[skier_pete]

For those complaining about the physics of the Star Wars universe, you know that Star Wars is not really a Scifi movie right? It's much more a western shot in space than a true SciFi movie.

As far as bombs FALLING in space, how far does the gravity field(you know, the one that must be there considering they have gravity without spin) extend beyond the hull? Maybe that's why they had to get so close. Another noggin scratcher for you.

Has anyone noticed the lack of physical armaments? 99% of all weapons in the SW universe are light and energy based. Why fire a laser at a fixed point? Throw a few rods of titanium, or similar metals, at the planet and do much more damage with much less energy expended. Like I said, not as much SciFi as a western with cool toys in space.

More people need to think like this. It's Star Wars - please don't apply logic to a galaxy where people can control an unseeable "force" that exists between all creatures. It's like complaining that the Trees in Lord of the Rings can walk.

 

[BrianL]

Yes.

No, only C-3PO's memory was wiped. R2 remained intact, the idea being that Astro-Mechs can't really tell anybody anything.

ETA: I see @Irish_Mike beat me to it.

 

[cavepig]

I liked it, niether loved nor hated. I love the originals & prequels (yes the prequels)

It was enjoyable but I feel like it was missing something to tie it in more being part of the originals/prequals. I still am not sure where this sequel trilogy is going, like the purpose of it. It's starting to feel like it's just a way to kill off the Skywalkers....which I guess it's a way to close out their story.

I loved Yoda, R2 showing Luke the old Leia video, Kylo Ren I actually really enjoy, Luke's story I actually am fine with too.
I'm still out on if I liked how Snoke went out, feels like there's got to be more we'll learn about him, otherwise how'd did the great Palpatine never know about him, seems odd.
Did not care for Admiral Purple hair, maybe make her an alien or something. It just seemed weird her in this fancy dress piloting a huge cruiser on her own & being all buddy buddy with Leia. I was hoping she turned out to be bad & a spy type actually. (I went in spoiler free by the way)
Leia using the force to get back in the ship was odd looking, but I liked how it showed her using the force.
Needed more C3-PO & R2
Phasma poor Phasma.
Rey being a nobody seems fine I guess but then again what's the purpose of this trilogy, isn't it the Skywalkers...stuff should tie in more I think or maybe not. Maybe being nobody is better, not sure on this one. If Kylo is lieing I'm good with that too.
The Rose & Finn side story was okay, but too drug out at times & speeding through the casino was too rushed to really take it all in.
I liked the comedy, I mean really Star Wars always has cheesy lines/scenes.
Broom boy at the end felt like it was out of Rebels.

Still a lot to process and maybe with more viewings it will be even better and after IX even better, but for now I feel lit didn't leave me with a good enough cliff hanger or punch to tie it to IIX & IIIX or even the originals/prequels, which it should since it's going along with them. Otherwise why not have just started a whole new trilogy without the original characters.
That's my ramblings to add since I've enjoyed reading others.

 

[KaptKaveman]

Yes some of the complaints are nitpicking, and yes there were physics "issues" with the Original Trilogy but those movies were able to overcome that because there was an engaging story, great characters, etc.

This movie was completely out of phase with its predecessor (and by that I mean TFA not the Original Trilogy), alot of plot lines went no where. Many of the characters were dumped on while brand new characters were completely forgettable or downright unlikable. In that situation then all the other things(bad jokes, bad timing for jokes, terrible/pointless subplots, physics issues, flying leia, Luke fishing, etch) tend to add up and weigh it down even further.

 

[mcjaco]

So, I really have dismissed most of the complaints about this movie - I just get so tired of movies being picked apart because they don't conform to ones personal biases / beliefs / objectives. None of us "own" Star Wars. When a new movie comes out, we can like it, love it, or hate it, and it really isn't going to much affect the next one. And the more I think about it, I really love what this movie did. It made me think and feel and especially through me off of expectations - even being told that it was going to do that. For the 9th movie in a series to accomplish that. (Which for how good Rouge One was it did absolutely nothing surprising at all.)

But I read an article that bothers me a little bit. In an interview with Rian Johnson - he said that he really was completely on his own with writing Episode 8, that there was really no feedback of expectations from JJ Abrams or the writers of Episode 7. Likewise, there's near zero feedback going to the Episode 9 writers on where he was going from Episode 8.

It really makes me a bit disappointed, that no-one bothered to plan for an over-arcing story of these 3 movies. It makes it feel like maybe it's a trilogy in name only.

Now - let's be honest here - the original trilogy was not written as one continuous story in any way. Lucas can say he had ideas in place, but I suspect most of that is complete BS. I am even suspicious that he thought Darth Vader was Luke's father when he wrote the original movie, and I certainly don't think he had in mind Luke and Leia being brother and sister in the first movie - she was clearly meant to be Luke's love interest from the beginning. And the prequels also felt like there was no grand outline for these 3 movies - other than that Lucas knew he had to get to point C from some point A.

Even so - it lessens my enthusiasm for Episode 9. It feels like Episode 7 built up this expectation of these new characters, and then Episode 8 sort of ripped that foundation out from underneath them - which I totally LOVE that it did. But now it feels like those same characters are almost starting over after Episode 8, and I want to think there was some plan to bring them to a conclusion with Episode 9. But now we know that is not the case. So really Episode 9 just feels like its going to end up being another stand-alone movie in a long line of Star Wars movies. For all their flaws - Episode 6 and Episode 3 both felt like conclusions of their stories. Will episode 9 feel that way? Will we get a defeat of the first order? A Victory for the rebels/resistance? I just don't know. In some ways - it feels really could to NOT know where they are going with this, but it does shake my confidence in their ability to get there. I just don't know that JJ and company have the ability to stick this landing.

Interesting. There's an interview I read with him earlier today, where he said he was in constant talks with Hidalgo about the story. Like weekly.....

 

[mcjaco]

Canonically, only 3P0 had his memories wiped - R2 kept his.

You're right. Forgot about that line.....and the fact that a certain hologram projection made another appearance in TLJ.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

In case anyone is interesting, they did a pop-up episode of DISPop to discuss the film (contains spoilers):

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and spoiler (to the review about a movie with spoilers in a thread that contains spoiler) they both liked it - Craig a bit more than Ryno I think, though I think Ryno definitely liked it more after his 2nd viewing.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Man creates change.org petition to have Disney take The Last Jedi out of cannon he hates it so much .... fans of the film send him death threats

Glad to see people aren't overreacting or anything ... also glad to see we have kept death threats out of this thread (though I guess I don't know what private messages have been sent)

http://www.wdwinfo.com/news-stories...the-film-out-of-canon-receives-death-threats/

 

[kbelle8995]

Man creates change.org petition to have Disney take The Last Jedi out of cannon he hates it so much .... fans of the film send him death threats

Glad to see people aren't overreacting or anything ... also glad to see we have kept death threats out of this thread (though I guess I don't know what private messages have been sent)

http://www.wdwinfo.com/news-stories...the-film-out-of-canon-receives-death-threats/

Yes these boards remain pretty calm. Death threats are just too much. Some people need to calm down. Complaining is one thing but DEATH THREATS

 

[skier_pete]

Yeah, another thing to like about the DIS - death threats seem to be kept to a bare minimum.

It makes me a little scared for the response to Galaxy's Edge by a certain portion of the fandom.