**spoilers*** Lost Season Five **spoilers**

[Amy]

I agree with you. We don't really know that they are dead. I think that the white flash was the time travel thing again and they end up catching up with Sun, Ben, etc. in 2007. Remember Jacob said, "they're coming", just before he "died" and loophole Locke had this angry look on his face........

Oooh, I completely forgot about the time travel flashes! You just might be right about that. As for "they're coming", I thought that meant Ilana and her group. But I like your idea much better!

I agree. The whole light vs dark, good vs evil aspect is very interesting. And the conversation between Jacob and Dark Man seems like a conversation that would happen between God and Satan. Is it possible that Jacob is God and Dark Man is Satan???

This is very interesting, esp. when you consider their conversation about free will (someone else posted some of their dialog earlier in this thread). I also like the idea that Jacob and Loophole Guy/Dark Man are warring Egyptian gods.

And I didn't think of Jacob as saving Sayid when Nadia got hit by the car; I just thought Jacob distracted Sayid and that Sayid might have been able to save Nadia if Jacob hadn't asked him for directions.

 

[Alesia]

My guess is that once the statue crumbled the women on the island started having fertility problems.

But Amy was able to give birth to Ethan in the '70s, so the fertility problems came after that. That statue crumbled a long time before then.

I think the fertility problems came about because of the radiation released when Juliette detonated the bomb. The time frame would work and it also makes sense that they would have Juliette come to the island to treat the women since she was doing work treating the fertility problems of women (particularly her sister) who had undergone radiation therapy.

That makes Juliette responsible for the very problem she was brought to the island to treat. That seems very "lost-ish" to me.

 

[teddygurlkeekee]

But Amy was able to give birth to Ethan in the '70s, so the fertility problems came after that. That statue crumble a long time before then.

I think the fertility problems came about because of the radiation released when Juliette detonated the bomb. The time frame would work and it also makes sense that they would have Juliette come to the island to treat the women since she was doing work treating the fertility problems of women (particularly her sister) who had undergone radiation therapy.

That makes Juliette responsible for the very problem she was brought to the island to treat. That seems very "lost-ish" to me.

We don't know that Juliette detonated the bomb. It looks that way, but nothing is ever as it seems with Lost. It could have been a number of other things that we named, or even something that we aren't thinking of.

 

[marshallandcartersmo]

So, if Sayid's wife died being hit by a car.......I thought Ben told Sayid that someone murdered his wife, thus having Sayid become his hit man. Was all that a lie?

And why did Ilana have to get Sayid in order for her to be on the plane? Why didn't she just buy a plane ticket? It sounds like she wasn't a "bounty hunter for the family of someone he killed" at all.....it sounds like she was working for Jacob all along to get Locke's body back to the island.

 

[gometros]

Did anybody catch the name of the guy at the beginnign of show who was talking to Jacob? Since he said that he was going to find a loophole to be able to kill Jacob, I'm going to call him "Loophole Guy".

His name is never mentioned. For all we know, it's 'Esau' (get it - Jacob/Esau)?

Sad about Sayid and Juliet. But I don't really think either of their deaths was on a par with Charlie's death (like somebody had posted in a spoiler a while back). Yes, Juliet died very similarly to Charlie - she realized that while she somehow survived that fall down the hole that she was going to die anyway so why not get that bomb to detonate.

We don't really know if either are dead. They are both still alive when the show ends.

Did anyone notice that at the end, and in their scene for season 6, they did a 'fade to white' instead of a 'fade to black'? It was always a black screen showing the title LOST at the end, but now its white. Thats got to mean something.

I thought it was the light from the explosion.

Next season will be really interesting. If Juliet did in fact set the bomb off, did it change anything, and where do they pick up? Is it all going to be about getting LL guy? What did Jacob mean by "they're coming"? They who? The Losties? Ilana and crew? Someone else?

 

["Got Disney"]

Hi everyone,
I wanted to give a thought of how I took it and have thought about it from the first season.

IMO.....In the beginning of the show last night the 2 men were sitting talking. The guy with the brown hair made it clear that he wanted to kill Jacob but for some reason he could not do it in the form he was in.

They were also talking about the ship and how as usual the people on the ship would cause havoc. But to just leave them.

So when they were in the foot....and and they were talking....it hit me as if Jacob was Jesus, Brown hair guy was the Devil and Ben was Judas. I think the brown hair guy as the devil could not kill Jacob unless in a different human form, hence taking over locks body.

When he mentioned that they are coming and he was kicked into the fire, he was still alive yet did not scream....I think who will be coming are his disciples because of the look on locks/brown hair guys face.

I think the GOOD Guys that just showed up and Richard are them. also all the dead folks that we keep seeing. Also the statement of Destiny....
From the beginning I wondered if it was a religious piece of land. And the black smoke monster is in a form evil. That is why Richard said that Ben would never be the same and was not a nice person to say the least. You need good and evil...that's what makes the world go around. Without Evil we would not understand good.

Also the word Moses was thrown out in one of the conversations. Which would fit with the time period of Egypt

Sure sounds far fetched but we are talking lost here

 

[lizbeth374]

So who's eye was in the preview? It was green, this website has a still frame of it-

the first pic is the one from the pilot episode of Jack's eye. the second is from last night's finale. if you look closely they are the same exact still, they just edited it. the eyebrows, lashes and hairs under the eye are the same

 

[lizbeth374]

for those interested in the warring gods idea, read this about Sobek. It talks about Set, who could possibly be who loophole guy represents.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/sobeka.htm

 

[wdhinn89]

the first pic is the one from the pilot episode of Jack's eye. the second is from last night's finale. if you look closely they are the same exact still, they just edited it. the eyebrows, lashes and hairs under the eye are the same

Great catch ITA

Oooh, I completely forgot about the time travel flashes! You just might be right about that. As for "they're coming", I thought that meant Ilana and her group.

I agree with you. I took it as they are on to you not really being Locke. Also Jacob and Ilana has a history. Maybe she knows how to take care of or recapture Loophole Guy

Was Jacobs cabin actually Rose and Bernards that we seen earlier--It looked like it--But if it was that would mean that Loophole Guy was trapped in it after 1977.




I believe Jacob saved Sayid when his wife died--had he not distracted Sayid both he and his wife would've been hit by the car and killed

My son said the same thing. I haven't been able to get a screen cap of both cabins. Is anyone else able?

I agree about Jacob saving Sayid too




I know my theory is out there but

I think that Whidmore and Ben are descendents of Loophole Guy and Jacob.

Whidmore and Ben are not able to kill each other just like Loophole Guy and Jacob are not able to kill each other. They have a long standing family feud. That is why they need someone on the outside to do it. I know it is crazy but I'm going with it for now

 

[gometros]

I love this guy's take on last night's episode. He writes a summary riddled with sarcasm:

http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedla...ds-with-a-bang-jacob-ends-with-a-whisper.html

 

[irishbosoxfan]

So, if Sayid's wife died being hit by a car.......I thought Ben told Sayid that someone murdered his wife, thus having Sayid become his hit man. Was all that a lie?

And why did Ilana have to get Sayid in order for her to be on the plane? Why didn't she just buy a plane ticket? It sounds like she wasn't a "bounty hunter for the family of someone he killed" at all.....it sounds like she was working for Jacob all along to get Locke's body back to the island.

"It's what I do John" was Bens answer to lieing.

Ben used Sayid to kill people by telling him they were the ones who killed his wife--Sayid had no clue if it was a regular hit and run or if someone actually ran her over on purpose--so Ben used Sayids anger to get him to do his bidding.

Sayid needed to come back to the island per the rules so while she didn't need him to be on the plane--Jacob needed him there for the plan to work and Sayid was hell bent on not going back so he was forced to by Ilana.

I don't think she was trying to get Lockes body back to the island--I think them finding it after conversing with an alive Locke was a bonus.

 

[Tinkerdreams]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";31820936]Hi everyone,
I wanted to give a thought of how I took it and have thought about it from the first season.

IMO.....In the beginning of the show last night the 2 men were sitting talking. The guy with the brown hair made it clear that he wanted to kill Jacob but for some reason he could not do it in the form he was in.

They were also talking about the ship and how as usual the people on the ship would cause havoc. But to just leave them.

So when they were in the foot....and and they were talking....it hit me as if Jacob was Jesus, Brown hair guy was the Devil and Ben was Judas. I think the brown hair guy as the devil could not kill Jacob unless in a different human form, hence taking over locks body.

When he mentioned that they are coming and he was kicked into the fire, he was still alive yet did not scream....I think who will be coming are his disciples because of the look on locks/brown hair guys face.

I think the GOOD Guys that just showed up and Richard are them. also all the dead folks that we keep seeing. Also the statement of Destiny....
From the beginning I wondered if it was a religious piece of land. And the black smoke monster is in a form evil. That is why Richard said that Ben would never be the same and was not a nice person to say the least. You need good and evil...that's what makes the world go around. Without Evil we would not understand good.

Also the word Moses was thrown out in one of the conversations. Which would fit with the time period of Egypt

Sure sounds far fetched but we are talking lost here[/QUOTE]

I've also noticed from the first season until now, there has been a subtle tone of spriitual/religous/divinity throughout this series. Remember Mr. Echo was a priest with his Scripture stick. Claire and Charlie in a vision on the beach as Mary and Joseph. And then the reference to free will in last nights show. There are others that I can't recall at the moment.

So I have a theory...

The island might really be the Garden of Eden. The island keeps "moving" according to Faraday's mother and is impossible to find. The "hostiles" are the protectors of the island - maybe angels.

Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden and mankind has been trying to find it - maybe that's what the island is.

The comments from Jacob and loophole guy at the beginning indicate that mankind has been - as is being given - multiple opportunities to return to Eden but due to Man's nature is unworthy - as mentioned about how things always end the same way.

 

["Got Disney"]

I've also noticed from the first season until now, there has been a subtle tone of spriitual/religous/divinity throughout this series. Remember Mr. Echo was a priest with his Scripture stick. Claire and Charlie in a vision on the beach as Mary and Joseph. And then the reference to free will in last nights show. There are others that I can't recall at the moment.

So I have a theory...

The island might really be the Garden of Eden. The island keeps "moving" according to Faraday's mother and is impossible to find. The "hostiles" are the protectors of the island - maybe angels.

Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden and mankind has been trying to find it - maybe that's what the island is.

The comments from Jacob and loophole guy at the beginning indicate that mankind has been - as is being given - multiple opportunities to return to Eden but due to Man's nature is unworthy - as mentioned about how things always end the same way.

I too was wondering if it was the Garden of Eden. I wondered that last season. Last night when Ben and Jacob were talking and loophole guy it just felt so familiar to scripture for me and why I was feeling this...than the next thing Moses was mentioned. Good and Evil were both on the Garden of Eden but Jesus was not born yet. So that led me to feel that the island is on a different dimension as it is said that heaven is.

I dont think the island is heaven but maybe a stop over for those that need help to change there ways and make themselves worthy....and there is where good and evil are both waiting to take them to one place or the other.

Maybe this is why we keep seeing dead people ..because they have crossed over to that dimension.

 

[lizbeth374]

I've also noticed from the first season until now, there has been a subtle tone of spriitual/religous/divinity throughout this series. Remember Mr. Echo was a priest with his Scripture stick. Claire and Charlie in a vision on the beach as Mary and Joseph. And then the reference to free will in last nights show. There are others that I can't recall at the moment.

So I have a theory...

The island might really be the Garden of Eden. The island keeps "moving" according to Faraday's mother and is impossible to find. The "hostiles" are the protectors of the island - maybe angels.

Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden and mankind has been trying to find it - maybe that's what the island is.

The comments from Jacob and loophole guy at the beginning indicate that mankind has been - as is being given - multiple opportunities to return to Eden but due to Man's nature is unworthy - as mentioned about how things always end the same way.

that is an awesome theory!

 

[KSchwagg86]

Ok I have MANY thoughts on all your thoughts so here I go!

HOWEVER, I'm thinking Ben knew this all along. Because in order for the "fake Locke" to have to use the REAL Locke's body......the real Locke would have to be dead. Ben must have known this and that's why he killed him a few episodes back.

I think Ben killed him for his own reasons...I don't think that Ben had any idea that Locke wasn't really Locke...

Well, now we know why they showed us that it was Locke who took Richard thru the jungle to when Locke was shot in the leg and Richard told Locke that he had to die. It wasn't Locke, but Loophole-Guy-Locke who needed Locke dead so that he could use Locke's body.
The most heart-wrenching part of that whole thing was Sawyer's grief. Such great acting on Josh Hollway's part.

This make me so sad for Locke...and I also think Josh's acting was incredible...that was SO SAD with Juliet crying and then Sawyer's reaction-WOW

Did anyone notice that at the end, and in their scene for season 6, they did a 'fade to white' instead of a 'fade to black'? It was always a black screen showing the title LOST at the end, but now its white. Thats got to mean something.

I totally agree...The Lost producers/writers are VERY aware of all of the symbolism that goes into the show...

I think Jacob was somehow behind getting the Oceanic 6 to return to the island. He knew if they returned and were able to change the past that Flight 815 wouldn't crash; therefore, Locke wouldn't be on the island and wouldn't be recognized as a "leader". No leader Locke means that Loophole-Guy wouldn't have Locke's body to inhabit in order to kill Jacob.

Wow-this makes a lot of sense--you guys are smart!

Also though...I think Christian IS dead too....just like Locke. I think the bad guy from the beginning (loophole guy) actually was Christian, just like he was Locke.

I never thought of this, but it makes SO MUCH sense--He must have taken over Christian's body when the first plane crashed--Now I just wonder how in the world he can take over a body!

Some on other websites think that next year will be like episode one, when they first crash, but they will remember everything and re-live those 3 months and get it right! Not sure if I believe that though.

I don't think I would like that that much--I think it might get really boring! Maybe not though

Oooh, I completely forgot about the time travel flashes! You just might be right about that.

I think it could be a flash, but then--who is restarting the time travel? Isn't that station not even built yet at that time?

I think the fertility problems came about because of the radiation released when Juliette detonated the bomb. The time frame would work and it also makes sense that they would have Juliette come to the island to treat the women since she was doing work treating the fertility problems of women (particularly her sister) who had undergone radiation therapy.

Ok, but how does that explain the fact that Claire could deliver her baby, but Sun wouldn't have been able to on the island? How does that make sense? My head just exploded btw

The island might really be the Garden of Eden. The island keeps "moving" according to Faraday's mother and is impossible to find. The "hostiles" are the protectors of the island - maybe angels.

Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden and mankind has been trying to find it - maybe that's what the island is.

The comments from Jacob and loophole guy at the beginning indicate that mankind has been - as is being given - multiple opportunities to return to Eden but due to Man's nature is unworthy - as mentioned about how things always end the same way.

This makes a TON of sense to me-I'm impressed!

Ok and I have two questions-Where is Claire and Desmond? Do you think they will play into anything next season? I mean they must, right? That was more than two questions hehe...My brain is now mush!

 

[KSchwagg86]

I think my previous post should count for at least 2 regular posts on my post count!

 

[CarolinaBlue]

Ok and I have two questions-Where is Claire and Desmond? Do you think they will play into anything next season? I mean they must, right? That was more than two questions hehe...My brain is now mush!

Desmond had better be back next season!

 

[MouseMomx2]

But Amy was able to give birth to Ethan in the '70s, so the fertility problems came after that. That statue crumbled a long time before then.

I don't think we've been told when the statue crumbled. Personally, I believe it crumbled when "The Incident" happened. That would mean that it was intact when Amy gave birth to Ethan.

 

[ArelysAdriana]

I don't think we've been told when the statue crumbled. Personally, I believe it crumbled when "The Incident" happened. That would mean that it was intact when Amy gave birth to Ethan.

I agree. I thought that maybe the incident caused it. This show has turn my brain to mush also and I can't remember...but weren't Sawyer, Faraday and all of them traveling through time and they ended up stumbling upon the statue (from a distance) when it was still intact? What year was that?

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Ok I have MANY thoughts on all your thoughts so here I go!



I think Ben killed him for his own reasons...I don't think that Ben had any idea that Locke wasn't really Locke...

I don't either (see my previous post)



Ok, but how does that explain the fact that Claire could deliver her baby, but Sun wouldn't have been able to on the island? How does that make sense? My head just exploded btw

I think that they can't deliver if the baby is conceived on the island--Claire conceived in Australia--Sun conceived on the island

I also feel bad for Locke--the poor guy gets nothing but used