So what are YOU going to do with your $76?

I think the point being missed here is that $24,000 in a few pockets is not going to do very much. Neither will that $76 in many pockets.

I just don't see this frankly.

The many that get the $76 are still going to spend it, no? It will be back in the economy. Regardless of whether it gets there in little pieces or in big chunks, it will still be spent.

Also, unless it is a tax bracket rate cut, which I don't think it is, the percentages are meaningless. If these figures are coming based on the cut in dividend taxes, then of course the wealthy are going to have a higher percentage cut - they own more stock.
 
As someone who gets a full refund, and then some, at tax time I don't think this is the way to go. I think more work needs to be put in to small business plans and help the average joe get their business off the ground and be able to hire more employees, which in turn will stimulate the economy.
 
I agree 100% Jules!! I was just commenting on the fact that the numbers provided were misleading if they are used to demonstrate a rate cut.
 

I found some numbers on CNN that at least explain the discrepancy ($76 vs. $24,000).


Filers making $50,000 or less: 15.2 million
Dividend income for those making $50,000 or less: $26.9 billion

Filers making $1,000,000 or more: 200,000
Dividend income for those making $1,000,000 or more: $25.4 billion

Looking at the numbers, there is roughly the same taxable dividend amount between the two groups. The millionaires are taxed at a higher rate, so they are currently paying more in dividend taxes than are the lower wage earners, thus if the tax is eliminated, the dollars saved in the millionaire group is greater than the dollars saved in the lower wage group. A larger amount of money is being spread out among a smaller group of people (200,000 vs. 15.2 million).

I would say that pretty much accounts for the gap between the $76 and the $24,000.
 
Disnee Dad Says.....................................I love it when the Democrats scream for larger tax cuts for the poor, maybe a family making $25,000. If they have children they pay negative income tax, meaning they get back more than they pay! Mathmatically you can't cut a negative income tax rates.
 
Is this figure per-person? I sure hope so because thats $152.00.


Considering DH and I do not have taxes taken out of his retirement check. I think this is good news, less money we have to pay the government at the end of the year. Giving back less is always good.
 
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The truth about Taxes.
Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.
Suppose that every day 10 men go out for dinner. The bill for all 10 comes to $100. If they pay the bill the way we all pay our taxes, it would go like this:

The first 4 men, the poorest, would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh, $7.
They eighth, $12.
The ninth, $18.
The tenth man, the richest, would pay $59.

That's what they decided to do. The 10 men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement - Until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
"Since you are such good customers, I'm going to reduce the cost of your meal by $20", he said.

Now, dinner for ten is only $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

The first 4 men were unaffected. They would still eat free. But, what about the other six, the paying customers?

How could they divy up the $20 so everyone would get his "fair share"? The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everyones share, the 5th and 6th man would end up being *paid* to eat their meal.

The restaurant owner suggested it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the details.

So, the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, the tenth paid $52 instead of his earlier #59.

Each of the six was better off than before. And, the first 4 continued to eat free.

But, once outside the restaurant the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got $1 out of the $20 ", said the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth and said, "But he got $7"!!!

"Yeah, that's right", said the fifth man. "I only saved $1 too. It's unfair he got seven times more than me. "That's true"!!!, shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $7 back when I only got $2 ???, the wealthy get all the breaks"!!!

"Wait a minute", yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor"!!!

The nine men surrounded the 10th man and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. When it came time to pay the bill they discovered something important, they were $52 short.

And that, boys and girls, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.
 
Let's see...............our taxes just went up $60 a month and our health insurance went up $40 a month. Do you think this stupid
$76 will make a difference in our lives??????????
NO!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Let's see...............our taxes just went up $60 a month and our health insurance went up $40 a month. Do you think this stupid

So rather than being $100 in the hole, you'll be $24 in the hole...that's a bad thing?
 
Airforcerocks--Let's see the last time I did my math my $60 increase in taxes a month and my $40 increase in insurance would be $100 a month. $100 times 12 months a year is $1200. From what I understand from the first post the $76 is a one shot deal. It still won't make a difference in my life. It is a drop in the bucket.
 
There is more to this economic stimulus package than the dividend issue.

They are increasing the the child deduction from 600 to 1000 dollars, for example.

I don't have any children. Do you hear me complaining about this?

A stimulus package must work on many different levels. If there is more investment in the stock market...everyone's 401K and 403b is better off.

Rather than just pick apart one part of a plan, try to discuss the whole plan....
 
Oops, you are absolutely right - I wasn't looking at the yearly cost of the increases.

I deeply apologize for failing your math test :rolleyes:
 
Rather than just pick apart one part of a plan, try to discuss the whole plan....

Good advice. And, while we're at it, why don't we find out what the whole plan is. ;)

I'm more than happy to take any relief that is offered. I don't get any benefit from any of the child related deductions so I'll take a reduction in dividends or anything else I can get.

It seems lilke the Democrats love to cry out that the "rich" are being helped. Well, in our area a husband and wife with two or more children making $100,000 is living a decent life but they are not "rich". They might like to send those kids to college some day. I heard one comment this morning that maybe that couple making $100,000 would like mom at home rather than working as a waitress if possible. Doesn't sound like "lifestyles of the rich & famous".
 
I'm a big Bush supporter but I can disagree, and on taxes I do just that. I'm all for tax cuts, but if anything I think people making over say $60,000 should be taxed even more. There should be no breaks given to those that don't need them, I think we should worry about giving the bigger breaks to the average Joe making $25,000 who really needs some help. I don't feel at all sorry for taxing someone making $100,000, ouch I guess they may have to buy an Infiniti instead of a Benz, oh well they are living fine and giving them more money is a crock.

I realize that those who make alot of money pay the majority of taxes, and the lower income people pay a smaller percentage of all taxes paid, but for the lower income people every dollar in taxes hurts, I think people making over $150,000 should be taxed by about 60% and those making $40,000 or less shouldn't be taxed at all. I know those $150,000 people would think I am evil, but it is easy to live on around $65,000.

Flame away.
 
I think we should worry about giving the bigger breaks to the average Joe making $25,000 who really needs some help.

I would be really surprised if the average Joe making $25,000 is paying any taxes if he has a family. Exactly what breaks would you like to see? Money back even though he hasn't paid anything?

I know those $150,000 people would think I am evil, but it is easy to live on around $65,000.

This obviously depends on where you live. I could live very well in Alabama (and perhaps Richmond) on $65,000 per year. $65,000 in Washington DC isn't going to go very far at all if one has to pay for housing.

don't feel at all sorry for taxing someone making $100,000, ouch I guess they may have to buy an Infiniti instead of a Benz, oh well they are living fine and giving them more money is a crock.

GIVING them money? Excuse me, but these people EARNED the money in the first place. I don't know why, but I'm still surprised when I see statements like this - as though allowing someone to keep what they earned is somehow "giving" them something...
 
I just want to know why it's not proportional. If someone who makes $1,000,000 gets back .024% of his salary, then someone who makes $50,000 should get back $1,200.

As always, it's the very rich who benefit.
 
I just want to know why it's not proportional. If someone who makes $1,000,000 gets back .024% of his salary, then someone who makes $50,000 should get back $1,200.

Quite simply because it isn't an income tax rate cut, it's an elimination of a tax. I showed the numbers earlier in this thread - take a look at them,and it's very easy to see why the numbers come out the way they do.

It's not based on income, it's based on whether or not you own dividend-yielding stock. Some people won't get any cut at all.
 
Interesting post Joe - you either want to start some flames going or just don't have a reasonable clue about what it costs to live in different parts of the country.

My dh makes more than $100K a year and I can assure you we aren't living the high life. We have a nice home but nothing fancy, I drive a 3+ year old Odyssey and dh drives a 12+ year old Tempo (not exactly LUXURY cars!), we have low-grade furniture for the most part, have the cheapest insurance plan my dh's company offers, buy lots of clothes resale and take nice but nowhere near fancy vacations. We also pay lots in taxes, lots in child support, and have a lot less in savings than we'd like. We have enough food, shelter etc. but we do not live a life of luxury by any means. If you think that we should give up even more money cuz we have plenty to burn maybe you should be in charge of paying our bills every month!

I applaud tax reform but I will hold out judgement on this proposed plan until I have had a real opportunity to examine it. I would love to see the death tax repealed (stupid stupid tax) and see other reforms that will really make a difference to many tax-payers - unfortunately I don't have the quick and easy answers on how that should be done so I will have to leave that to the "experts" to do.
 

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