sick and tired of reading bad things

[Planogirl]

Yeah, totally! First world problems!

Let's get back to talking about real problems, like how upset people are about missing out on BoG ADRs and how much souvenir money people should bring to WDW.

In fairness just about all of the threads involve first world problems don't they?

 

[Planogirl]

I agree, conjecture may be important but remember that even the most seasoned Disney vet is not right 100% and people will often trust conjecture
that turns out to be false that ends up negatively affecting them. Every speculation on both sides of this issue has not come to pass.

I agree, people need to make informed decisions on how to spend their vacation dollar but rumors and speculations often lead people to make less informed decision. It is ironic but its true.

I am not looking for all rainbows and sunshine about Disney but the same discussion and debates over and over again have stopped being effective for anyone a long time ago but for the fact that people can vent with each other

I think that the number of threads that vent about FP+ have decreased to a trickle. There certainly used to be several, I'll give you that.

 

[morethananyonex]

In fairness just about all of the threads involve first world problems don't they?

That was my point

 

[magicbob]

The problem is that any REAL new information is lost in the same old FP+ complaints. It is hard for a new user to sort through what is someone's biased dislike for the FP+ system vs what is actually going on. These threads turn unwieldy quickly many of them turning into 10+ pages of the same debates since FP+ was first rumored.

One only have to look at a new FP+ thread to know that the following things will most likely be said by the same people:

1. FP+ is ride rationing. Now, this is not helpful to any overall strategy.
2. Disney needs to build more attractions instead of rolling out FP+. Again, not helpful for anyone trying to plan or build a strategy
3. Disney is rolling out FP+ to create fairness among the larger majority of guests. Again, this is unfounded opinion, not helpful.
4. Universal is better than Disney. OK, how is this helpful to those looking to deal with the new FP+ changes.
5. Disney is punishing their most loyal fans with FP+. Maybe so, but again, a matter of opinion. Not helpful
6. "FP+ may be great for YOU!! But not for the way I tour". Granted, but not helpful.
7. FP+ system is an abject failure. Again, opinion.
8. "I am done with Disney". Great, be done with it!
9. Tiering Sucks. Not helpful to make up songs and post tears for fears pictures about it.
10. 3 FP+s are not enough.
11. etc, etc, etc....

The helpfulness of any FP+ actual news and strategy is being cluttered up by the same people having the same argument but perhaps over different facets of the FP+ system.

Again, it makes it hard for new user to 1. know what to believe. 2. Even search out pertinent information that separates opinion from fact.

The FP+ system may be the greatest failure ever but unless Disney scraps it or even improves upon it, it looks like it is here to stay.

Even when Disney does release info, you have a chorus of people on here that do not believe what they say. Now, they may have good reason for it based on past experience but no matter how upfront Disney is, people will criticize them no matter what. It is not simply a matter of Disney being upfront but people resistant to a change they see as a net negative.

Then you have those small percentage of posters that seem to just "rag" on Disney at every turn.

As opposed to those who can't help from venting about anyone expressing those concerns.

Good night, UNC... er... Toz... I mean PlayaMan.

Sorry for the confusion. It's difficult to tell all of you guys apart.

 

[PlayaMan]

Good night, UNC... er... Toz... I mean PlayaMan.

Sorry for the confusion. It's difficult to tell all of you guys apart.

Thank you for proving my point. Ad Homimen attacks by going after the messenger do nothing to further a discussion and just clutters up threads

 

[bcrook]

I agree, conjecture may be important but remember that even the most seasoned Disney vet is not right 100% and people will often trust conjecture
that turns out to be false that ends up negatively affecting them. Every speculation on both sides of this issue has not come to pass.

I agree, people need to make informed decisions on how to spend their vacation dollar but rumors and speculations often lead people to make less informed decision. It is ironic but its true.

I am not looking for all rainbows and sunshine about Disney but the same discussion and debates over and over again have stopped being effective for anyone a long time ago but for the fact that people can vent with each other

. I understand but when gambling on a $10,000 trip it doesn't hurt anyone to err on the side of caution. I am not sure how someone who errs on the side of caution and doesn't plan a trip could be negatively affected. The only negative I see is spending the money blindly while not considering all possibilities.

I appreciate reading the worst case scenarios and the glowing reports. It allows me to make my decisions. Just like tripadvisor. If I only read those 5 star reports, I would be surprised much more often than I should be.

Ultimately the decision is up to me. But I say - everybody needs to keep sharing their experiences and hunches. I need the information.

 

[Laketravis]

I come on here with excitement, wanting to read magical things, yet even the posts that you think are good end up slating Disney.

I know what you mean. I get all excited when I decide it's time to reward myself with a new purchase, then I get online at Amazon or where ever and come across less-than-glowing reviews from others about the product I'm just about to buy.

But I just looked thru several of the forums and threads here on the DIS and I found tons of positive stuff, magical stuff, fun stuff. If that's all I was looking for, I wouldn't be disappointed in the quantity.

If you are going to be staying onsite, check out the Resorts section. If you are going to be eating onsite, check out the Restaurant section (careful, though, some of those reviews can get pretty heated and there is an abundance of food porn).

The trip report section is very, very hard to keep up with because there is a constant flow of new information being added and from what I've seen the majority of it is pretty happy stuff.

This particular forum (TPAS) is kind of a niche forum and I don't think it's fully indicative of the entire potential WDW experience. It's inherently going to contain some less than glowing opinions about certain aspects of the parks.

Attractions+Strategy don't always equal magic. This is a good forum if you want to peak behind the curtain. If not, then there are others that won't spoil the trick.

Not to say it doesn't have it's usefulness - it certainly does. If it wasn't for it, I'd still be waiting in line for Captain Jack Sparrow at HS thinking that the actual show was just a pre-show to an even better ride. Boy, would I have been disappointed......

 

[magicbob]

Thank you for proving my point. Ad Homimen attacks by going after the messenger do nothing to further a discussion and just clutters up threads

You keep claiming ad hominem attacks where none exist.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

 

[mom2rtk]

Thank you for proving my point. Ad Homimen attacks by going after the messenger do nothing to further a discussion and just clutters up threads

But which messenger?

 

[Angel Ariel]

Even when Disney does release info, you have a chorus of people on here that do not believe what they say. Now, they may have good reason for it based on past experience but no matter how upfront Disney is, people will criticize them no matter what. It is not simply a matter of Disney being upfront but people resistant to a change they see as a net negative.

Then you have those small percentage of posters that seem to just "rag" on Disney at every turn.

What info about the rollout has Disney themselves actually officially released? I'm not talking about notices here from CM reporting what they are finding out internally, but that has actually come from Disney making an announcement about it?

ETA: I don't think I've read anything of substance from Disney themselves since the FP+ announcement last January. All of the announcements about what resorts were getting MBs and when/resorts going FP+ only/AK going FP+ only...all of that (from what I've personally seen) has come from CMs or internal sources..not a public announcement from Disney.

 

[magicbob]

. I understand but when gambling on a $10,000 trip it doesn't hurt anyone to err on the side of caution. I am not sure how someone who errs on the side of caution and doesn't plan a trip could be negatively affected. The only negative I see is spending the money blindly while not considering all possibilities.

I appreciate reading the worst case scenarios and the glowing reports. It allows me to make my decisions. Just like tripadvisor. If I only read those 5 star reports, I would be surprised much more often than I should be.

Ultimately the decision is up to me. But I say - everybody needs to keep sharing their experiences and hunches. I need the information.

And not pleasantly surprised either.

Had I not done my research, I might have bought into the "must do" hype and recently paid 49 euros for an awful tasting omelet at a famous European destination (not Disneyland BTW). But because I paid attention to the negative reviews as well as the glowing ones, I had a wonderful lunch for a lot less money instead.

You could argue that I should have discounted those "negative nellies" and maybe I missed out on the omelet of a lifetime. But I doubt it.

 

[kirbyx5]

Original Poster: I just went to WDW in October for 8 days. It was my first trip EVER!! I got to share this trip with my husband and 3 boys. We had an amazing time!! Had good and even great food at every stop, our FP+ and magic bands worked every time, and we encountered friendly cast members who were very accommodating! GO with your gut! I planned our trip for 10 months and was on these boards daily. I read more negative comments and at times questioned my plans. I almost canceled 2 dining reservations due to board comments and those were our 2 favorites! My suggestion to you read the boards their info in so valuable but at the end of the day its your vacation! Enjoy it!

 

[PlayaMan]

. I understand but when gambling on a $10,000 trip it doesn't hurt anyone to err on the side of caution. I am not sure how someone who errs on the side of caution and doesn't plan a trip could be negatively affected. The only negative I see is spending the money blindly while not considering all possibilities.

I appreciate reading the worst case scenarios and the glowing reports. It allows me to make my decisions. Just like tripadvisor. If I only read those 5 star reports, I would be surprised much more often than I should be.

Ultimately the decision is up to me. But I say - everybody needs to keep sharing their experiences and hunches. I need the information.

again, i do not disagree with your general premise about doing research before spending money on any trip. It is great that you use tripadvisor as an example. I too, travel a great deal and tripadvisor is one of the tools I use to research. I read the negative and positive reviews as well and use discernment to sort through differing reports. I am sure that you have seen reviews on TA where the reviewer just has an ax to grind often over a situation that they contributed to. I read through reviews and sort through looking for matters that may or may not affect my enjoyment. I dont just take the word of the negative reports or those that are just flat out ridiculous complaints.

And it can hurt to one an extent or another when you are talking about a family vacation that people have been planning and looking forward to for a long time to suddenly cancel it based on speculation from an unofficial Disney forum. Especially, biased speculation because people just do not like the FP+ system. Then it can hurt because of any cancellation fees that this family may incur. Not to mention the disappointment of family members who are suddenly told they are going because you fear some of the dire speculations made on this forum. And then later the frustration when this family reads about how others went during the same period where they cancelled and come to find out these dire speculations never came true. As it is often said about FP+ system. Just cause you can not see the downside to erring on the side of caution based on rumor and speculation does mean it doesnt exist.

I appreciate "worst case" reviews as well. But I know that those are anecdotal at best and written in a way that often leaves out key factors in why things were so bad because no one is going to admit that they were perhaps part of the issue. You can not take this reports at face value. You cant "blindly" rely on them.

 

[Brian Noble]

What info about the rollout has Disney themselves actually officially released? I'm not talking about notices here from CM reporting what they are finding out internally, but that has actually come from Disney making an announcement about it?

There have been a few public statements by Disney executives. Here's a recent one:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-cfb-tourism-1216-20131215,0,7899805.story

They are pretty thin on actual information, usually.

 

[Missyrose]

The link in my signature contains a great deal of the historical information about FP+. I update the latest news releases. But to be fair conjecture is important for future planning to decide if wdw is still the best option, if universal is a better option, and whether people should find other places. I am fortunate enough to be able to travel to Europe each year cheaply - and continue my march through exploring all 50 states, and slip in trips to Florida. I had so much fun in Tampa last summer, I am finding it more difficult to give that up. I might have to settle for Busch Gardens. So far NikkiBell hasn't convinced me that MBs are an improvement for me, although I love her overflowing enthusiasm. Actually if you want to fall in love with wdw, read those trip reports. Missyrose is juggling three right now, and those photos are amazing!

Thanks Barry! Juggling is an understatement

And in response to UNC/Tozer/Playa, I'm someone you've often lumped into the group that "hates Disney and everything it does." And you couldn't be more wrong. I love Disney. I just spent my honeymoon there. I own three DVC contracts and am an annual passholder. I go multiple times a year (3 in 2013 and have another 3 trips booked for 2014). And I happily help friends and family plan their trips.The only reason I'm critical of Disney is because I love it so much. There's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing how the new system changes affects touring plans. The conversations often will turn "negative" when the positivity brigade dismisses posters as not having used this system (not true, I've used it) or are just out to get Disney.

 

[bcrook]

again, i do not disagree with your general premise about doing research before spending money on any trip. It is great that you use tripadvisor as an example. I too, travel a great deal and tripadvisor is one of the tools I use to research. I read the negative and positive reviews as well and use discernment to sort through differing reports. I am sure that you have seen reviews on TA where the reviewer just has an ax to grind often over a situation that they contributed to. I read through reviews and sort through looking for matters that may or may not affect my enjoyment. I dont just take the word of the negative reports or those that are just flat out ridiculous complaints.

And it can hurt to one an extent or another when you are talking about a family vacation that people have been planning and looking forward to for a long time to suddenly cancel it based on speculation from an unofficial Disney forum. Especially, biased speculation because people just do not like the FP+ system. Then it can hurt because of any cancellation fees that this family may incur. Not to mention the disappointment of family members who are suddenly told they are going because you fear some of the dire speculations made on this forum. And then later the frustration when this family reads about how others went during the same period where they cancelled and come to find out these dire speculations never came true. As it is often said about FP+ system. Just cause you can not see the downside to erring on the side of caution based on rumor and speculation does mean it doesnt exist.

I appreciate "worst case" reviews as well. But I know that those are anecdotal at best and written in a way that often leaves out key factors in why things were so bad because no one is going to admit that they were perhaps part of the issue. You can not take this reports at face value. You cant "blindly" rely on them.

Good points.

As I have clearly outlined in my posts above. I am most concerned about and was referring to future trips.

Your logic is dead on when referring to planned trips. I wouldn't cancel a planned or paid for trip based on solely on negative reports. I would read a lot of the glowing, and most likely make the best of it.

 

[magicbob]

again, i do not disagree with your general premise about doing research before spending money on any trip. It is great that you use tripadvisor as an example. I too, travel a great deal and tripadvisor is one of the tools I use to research. I read the negative and positive reviews as well and use discernment to sort through differing reports. I am sure that you have seen reviews on TA where the reviewer just has an ax to grind often over a situation that they contributed to. I read through reviews and sort through looking for matters that may or may not affect my enjoyment. I dont just take the word of the negative reports or those that are just flat out ridiculous complaints.

And it can hurt to one an extent or another when you are talking about a family vacation that people have been planning and looking forward to for a long time to suddenly cancel it based on speculation from an unofficial Disney forum. Especially, biased speculation because people just do not like the FP+ system. Then it can hurt because of any cancellation fees that this family may incur. Not to mention the disappointment of family members who are suddenly told they are going because you fear some of the dire speculations made on this forum. And then later the frustration when this family reads about how others went during the same period where they cancelled and come to find out these dire speculations never came true. As it is often said about FP+ system. Just cause you can not see the downside to erring on the side of caution based on rumor and speculation does mean it doesnt exist.

I appreciate "worst case" reviews as well. But I know that those are anecdotal at best and written in a way that often leaves out key factors in why things were so bad because no one is going to admit that they were perhaps part of the issue. You can not take this reports at face value. You cant "blindly" rely on them.

That's an awfully big heaping helping of speculation. Can you say straw man argument? Please provide examples of these poor unfortunate souls who cancelled based on the lousy advice (conjecture and speculation) here and now regret that decision. The small handful of people saying they are postponing their trips until FP+ is sorted out all seem quite content with that decision. You seem to be a very passionate advocate for an imagined group of wronged individuals.

Did you cancel a trip based on the conjecture of posters here and now you're still smarting because you've read positive trip reports? That would explain why this is such a sore subject for you.

P.S. I just noticed that this thread has been moved to "Theme Parks Community," so now our negativity is polluting that board. I guess OP will have to disregard the previous advice that they can find positive threads here.

 

[PlayaMan]

Thanks Barry! Juggling is an understatement

And in response to UNC/Tozer/Playa, I'm someone you've often lumped into the group that "hates Disney and everything it does." And you couldn't be more wrong. I love Disney. I just spent my honeymoon there. I own three DVC contracts and am an annual passholder. I go multiple times a year (3 in 2013 and have another 3 trips booked for 2014). And I happily help friends and family plan their trips.The only reason I'm critical of Disney is because I love it so much. There's absolutely nothing wrong with discussing how the new system changes affects touring plans. The conversations often will turn "negative" when the positivity brigade dismisses posters as not having used this system (not true, I've used it) or are just out to get Disney.

I have never mentioned you. I dont even know who you are and why people seem to be obsessed with claiming I had another username hear other than just trying to attack the messenger instead of engaging me in meaningful discussion.

But I have read enough of this forum to know that there are posters that will demean and insult the "positivity brigade" by calling them pixie dust sniffers, disney apologists, insulting their intelligence by the constant "math is hard" mantra being used, calling them mindless, making sarcastic remarks about them, or posting juvenille insulting pictures in response to those in that brigade. you can not blame that post turn negative on just one side of this issue. both sides are equally culpable in all of this.

 

[Mrs. Ciz]

I am thankful for the DIS, even the "negative" threads. The information shared here is KEY to having a great WDW experience. Because I read the DIS, I knew FP+ was coming. Knowing that FP+ was coming, we got our last trip in this June so we wouldn't have to deal with it. Based on the way my family tours, how many FP- we usually pulled, etc, FP+ is negative for us. I purposefully don't have a trip planned right now. I am watching, reading, learning from posters on here and when I DO go to WDW again, I'll know exactly how to use the new FP+ system to get the most out of it for my family. Will it be as great for us as FP- was - probably not, but at least I'll know how to maximize FP+.

For those folks who think all us NON FP+ FANS do is complain I want to point out two things: 1) Disney has whole teams who read and report on all internet activity pertaining to Disney. They are reading these boards and know exactly what features of FP+ are the least popular. If enough people share their displeasure, we may elicit a positive change to the new system. 2) There is a ton of MB/FP+ information mixed in with the complaints - information that has helped multitudes of people solve their similar MB/FP+ problems, plan their trips, etc. I have found all the MB/FP+ threads helpful - complaints and all!

 

[mom2rtk]

I have never mentioned you. I dont even know who you are and why people seem to be obsessed with claiming I had another username hear other than just trying to attack the messenger instead of engaging me in meaningful discussion.

But I have read enough of this forum to know that there are posters that will demean and insult the "positivity brigade" by calling them pixie dust sniffers, disney apologists, insulting their intelligence by the constant "math is hard" mantra being used, calling them mindless, making sarcastic remarks about them, or posting juvenille insulting pictures in response to those in that brigade. you can not blame that post turn negative on just one side of this issue. both sides are equally culpable in all of this.

How could you have mentioned her? You made your first post last night and I don't think you've mentioned anyone by name yet.