sick and tired of reading bad things

[PlayaMan]

How could you have mentioned her? You made your first post last night and I don't think you've mentioned anyone by name yet.

I agree. Exactly my point. I said that in response to her statement:

And in response to UNC/Tozer/Playa, I'm someone you've often lumped into the group that "hates Disney and everything it does."

She says I have lumped her specifically into some group of people when you confirm that I have not.

Thank you for your support on backing me up

 

[North of Mouse]

Some could (and probably will) read your post as negative too. You are clearly criticizing quite a few DISers and whether that's deserved or not, that is how your comments will likely be taken.

That's OK!

I'm just being very truthful about my experiences over the years. It's brought great happiness to us (children and grandchildren) and will continue to do so if we keep our positive attitudes.

How others perceive, plan (or not) will not affect what works/has always worked for us. That's all that matters to us - our own personal enjoyment on vacations - we are only in charge of ourselves, it's up to others to make/plan their own happiness - or be upset by things they/we cannot change.

 

[magicbob]

How could you have mentioned her? You made your first post last night and I don't think you've mentioned anyone by name yet.

It's just a figure of speech. Like "I have never gone to the store this weekend."

 

[Angel Ariel]

There have been a few public statements by Disney executives. Here's a recent one:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-cfb-tourism-1216-20131215,0,7899805.story

They are pretty thin on actual information, usually.

That is a pretty generic "this is going well" type comment...which is not what the person I was responding to was referring to (or at least, that wasn't the impression I got from their post). I was under the impression that the poster was referring to comments about what is coming next in the rollout, etc, as I mentioned in my previous post.

 

[bcrook]

I am thankful for the DIS, even the "negative" threads. The information shared here is KEY to having a great WDW experience. Because I read the DIS, I knew FP+ was coming. Knowing that FP+ was coming, we got our last trip in this June so we wouldn't have to deal with it. Based on the way my family tours, how many FP- we usually pulled, etc, FP+ is negative for us. I purposefully don't have a trip planned right now. I am watching, reading, learning from posters on here and when I DO go to WDW again, I'll know exactly how to use the new FP+ system to get the most out of it for my family. Will it be as great for us as FP- was - probably not, but at least I'll know how to maximize FP+.

For those folks who think all us NON FP+ FANS do is complain I want to point out two things: 1) Disney has whole teams who read and report on all internet activity pertaining to Disney. They are reading these boards and know exactly what features of FP+ are the least popular. If enough people share their displeasure, we may elicit a positive change to the new system. 2) There is a ton of MB/FP+ information mixed in with the complaints - information that has helped multitudes of people solve their similar MB/FP+ problems, plan their trips, etc. I have found all the MB/FP+ threads helpful - complaints and all!

. Articulate and balanced.

 

[*NikkiBell*]

The problem is that any REAL new information is lost in the same old FP+ complaints. It is hard for a new user to sort through what is someone's biased dislike for the FP+ system vs what is actually going on. These threads turn unwieldy quickly many of them turning into 10+ pages of the same debates since FP+ was first rumored.

One only have to look at a new FP+ thread to know that the following things will most likely be said by the same people:

1. FP+ is ride rationing. Now, this is not helpful to any overall strategy.
2. Disney needs to build more attractions instead of rolling out FP+. Again, not helpful for anyone trying to plan or build a strategy
3. Disney is rolling out FP+ to create fairness among the larger majority of guests. Again, this is unfounded opinion, not helpful.
4. Universal is better than Disney. OK, how is this helpful to those looking to deal with the new FP+ changes.
5. Disney is punishing their most loyal fans with FP+. Maybe so, but again, a matter of opinion. Not helpful
6. "FP+ may be great for YOU!! But not for the way I tour". Granted, but not helpful.
7. FP+ system is an abject failure. Again, opinion.
8. "I am done with Disney". Great, be done with it!
9. Tiering Sucks. Not helpful to make up songs and post tears for fears pictures about it.
10. 3 FP+s are not enough.
11. etc, etc, etc....

The helpfulness of any FP+ actual news and strategy is being cluttered up by the same people having the same argument but perhaps over different facets of the FP+ system.

Again, it makes it hard for new user to 1. know what to believe. 2. Even search out pertinent information that separates opinion from fact.

The FP+ system may be the greatest failure ever but unless Disney scraps it or even improves upon it, it looks like it is here to stay.

I think that this is my biggest issue as well, and I feel badly for those new DISers or guests planning their first trips who happen to stumble upon thread after thread like these. I'm looking forward to their lessening up a bit so other useful topics can gain some attention.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I have never mentioned you. I dont even know who you are and why people seem to be obsessed with claiming I had another username hear other than just trying to attack the messenger instead of engaging me in meaningful discussion.

But I have read enough of this forum to know that there are posters that will demean and insult the "positivity brigade" by calling them pixie dust sniffers, disney apologists, insulting their intelligence by the constant "math is hard" mantra being used, calling them mindless, making sarcastic remarks about them, or posting juvenille insulting pictures in response to those in that brigade. you can not blame that post turn negative on just one side of this issue. both sides are equally culpable in all of this.

And here is a post by Tozer (RIP)....we've done the math.

Whats that saying, "The guilty dog barks first and/or loudest"?

No surprise here that the usual suspects that are loudest about their dislike for all things FP+ all came together to bash the OP.

I would say a good 95% of the FP+ threads are just the same arguments rehashed over and over again. There is no new info on most of those threads where the same 10 or so people all show up to complain about FP+, speculate how disastrous it will be, minimize people's positive experiences with FP+, etc, etc, etc. These threads usually grow so large that people looking for real info/updates have to wade their way through pages of gloom and how incompetent Disney is.

As a side note, it is amazing that AK did not close down with their testing of FP+ only.... See, even the most experienced of park goers have faulty predictions. But of course when they are wrong, they will go back and edit previous posts and rationalize and try to show where they were still right.

I dont blame the OP for leaving but do not think they should have made this post. It is in the vein of a YAGE(yet another grand exit). This thread just opened the door for the malcontents to make this into another "why we hate FP+" thread.

I am also sure we will get some picture postings on this thread and maybe if we are lucky, someone will post another patent where they can draw biased conclusions from.... one can only dream

 

[Angel Ariel]

The problem lately is that there are too many negative posts from people that have not even been there to try out the MB/FP+.

I find it interesting that it's OK to love FP+/MBs without having been there, but it's not OK to have concerns about them. This is not directed at mejo specifically, just a trend I have noticed.

I think that this is my biggest issue as well, and I feel badly for those new DISers or guests planning their first trips who happen to stumble upon thread after thread like these. I'm looking forward to their lessening up a bit so other useful topics can gain some attention.

To be fair, the "complainers" are not responsible for starting this thread. This thread began with negativity and many of those who are constantly labeled "complainers" (myself included, since I know there's a few who would put me in that group) did try to help the OP find what he was looking for to help him get excited about his trip.

 

[magicbob]

And here is a post by Tozer (RIP).

Wait a minute? Tozer is dead? He was only with us for such a short time.

Thank goodness for reincarnation.

Good thing he didn't come back as a .

 

[Laketravis]

These threads really aren't much different than some of the vehicle or boat owner groups that I've seen.

They've all spent thousands of dollars on the same car or boat because it was the one they wanted and they liked it. Some have issues with certain parts or features of the car or boat and put forth those discussions, while others have absolutely nothing but praise for their purchase. Others like to speculate what improvements or features the new models may bring.

The big difference I've noticed among those forums and this one is that those don't suffer from the "Nana Nana Boo Boo" attitude that surfaces on the DIS.

It's one thing to put forth and discuss passionate opinions about something we all like/love and to seek advice or try to be helpful by relating experiences, but I agree the personal attacks on credibility, intelligence, and morality are simply unnecessary.

 

[PlayaMan]

And here is a post by Tozer (RIP)....we've done the math.

Whats that saying, "The guilty dog barks first and/or loudest"?

No surprise here that the usual suspects that are loudest about their dislike for all things FP+ all came together to bash the OP.

I would say a good 95% of the FP+ threads are just the same arguments rehashed over and over again. There is no new info on most of those threads where the same 10 or so people all show up to complain about FP+, speculate how disastrous it will be, minimize people's positive experiences with FP+, etc, etc, etc. These threads usually grow so large that people looking for real info/updates have to wade their way through pages of gloom and how incompetent Disney is.

As a side note, it is amazing that AK did not close down with their testing of FP+ only.... See, even the most experienced of park goers have faulty predictions. But of course when they are wrong, they will go back and edit previous posts and rationalize and try to show where they were still right.

I dont blame the OP for leaving but do not think they should have made this post. It is in the vein of a YAGE(yet another grand exit). This thread just opened the door for the malcontents to make this into another "why we hate FP+" thread.

I am also sure we will get some picture postings on this thread and maybe if we are lucky, someone will post another patent where they can draw biased conclusions from.... one can only dream

More baseless allegations, personal attacks on character, and going after the message because someone can not stay on topic and address the content of a post rather than the poster which is irrelevant.

And to prove this isnt just more conjecture from you, why dont you put forth substantial, REAL proof that I am another poster rather than dig up a post by someone with a similar view point. if similar viewpoints are somehow proof of multiple user names then we are left to assume that these poster who oppose FP+ based on the same reasoning are all one person .

 

[Laketravis]

More baseless allegations, personal attacks on character, and going after the message...... .

You mean, like this?

Some people know as much about yield management as they do about patents and using Disney's financial reports on resort occupancy to come to biased, flawed conclusions.

And for people who say "they dont have a dog in the fight" and "they are DONE with Disney", they sure do expend a lot of time and energy in repeating themselves on most FP+ threads. Seems like a lot of time spent on something they claim otherwise.

 

[PlayaMan]

another thread just popped up on the TAPs board about how to improve FP+

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3216974

Serious question: how does this relate to planning and strategy within the parks?

 

[magicbob]

More baseless allegations, personal attacks on character, and going after the message because someone can not stay on topic and address the content of a post rather than the poster which is irrelevant.

Again with the overly sensitive claims that you are somehow being attacked. That's awfully thin-skinned for an allegedly brand new poster who hit the ground running by "dishing it out" with abandon.

And to prove this isnt just more conjecture from you, why dont you put forth substantial, REAL proof that I am another poster rather than dig up a post by someone with a similar view point. if similar viewpoints are somehow proof of multiple user names then we are left to assume that these poster who oppose FP+ based on the same reasoning are all one person .

Busted. I suffer from multiple personality disorder. I hereby claim credit for all posts made by Mad Hattered, mom2rtk, Robo, Laketravis, Angel Ariel, morethananyonex, ArwenMarie, and postal68.

I may also be dozens of other DIS members, but I'm still undergoing treatment so I may not have realized it yet.

OMG... I just had a terribly frightening thought. What if I am UNCfanatik and Tozer and PlayaMan?????

 

[mom2rtk]

another thread just popped up on the TAPs board about how to improve FP+

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3216974

Serious question: how does this relate to planning and strategy within the parks?

You've been around here a while. I'm sure you know that if it's not pertinent to park strategy, the mods will move it to the theme parks community or rumors board.

I'm sure you'll appreciate the second post in that thread.

 

[PlayaMan]

You mean, like this?

No, not at all. Not personal attacks in the least. Merely repeating what people have said.

 

[Angel Ariel]

another thread just popped up on the TAPs board about how to improve FP+

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3216974

Serious question: how does this relate to planning and strategy within the parks?

Who said it did? No one in this thread started it. If you think it belongs elsewhere, report it to a mod and say so

 

[Laketravis]

another thread just popped up on the TAPs board about how to improve FP+

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3216974

Serious question: how does this relate to planning and strategy within the parks?

It may or may not relate to strategy/planning, but I do think it relates to utilizing theme park attractions in a preferred manner.

I thought the OP had some good suggestions.

 

[PlayaMan]

You've been around here a while. I'm sure you know that if it's not pertinent to park strategy, the mods will move it to the theme parks community or rumors board.

I'm sure you'll appreciate the second post in that thread.

And why would I appreciate that? Does it further the discussion of planning in strategies in the parks as people claim these kind of threads do?

 

[PlayaMan]

It may or may not relate to strategy/planning, but I do think it relates to utilizing theme park attractions in a preferred manner.

I thought the OP had some good suggestions.

I will grant you that the OP had some good suggestions but again how does recommend how the FP+ system specifically relate to its current and future use as presently implemented by Disney?

Wouldnt that be a better fit in another area of the board?