School shooting in Parkland, FL

[Marchand63]

Ok. I'm guessing, though, that this kid was in the type for troubled kids.

ITA. This kid was messed up.

Many families' children died. Do you care?

Really? Don't do that. Have you ever had to deliver that kind of news? I have, just stop it.
Ok I missed you have but really you need to go there. Again just stop

 

[mnrose]

It's not a CDC study. In any event, there's recommendations in there for a whole host of additional research that needs to be done to determine effective means to reduce gun violence. None of it's been funded or being done. Gee, I wonder why. Such a mystery.

The point of this "study" was to recommend research areas. That's what it does. Pretty meaningless, however, if the research areas are ignored. It's called "Priorities for Research" .... seems pretty self-explanatory.

 

[design_mom]

Oh, today is the 45th day of the year. This is the 19th school shooting of the year.

I am reluctant to get involved in this conversation because I don't know what the right answer is. However, can you cite a source for 19 school shootings? Obviously, even one is too many... but CNN is reporting four school shootings in 2018. That's a lot fewer than 19. (Still four too many, of course.) https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/school-shootings-in-2018/index.html

 

[luvsJack]

@JimMIA ibam guessing you are either a law enforcement officer or military. Either way, thank you for your service. We owe you more tha we can ever pay. Your post about telling a parent about the death of their kid brought tears to my eyes. I can’t imagine how hard that must be to do.




I think the problem with all of this is that everyone wants one solution. There isn’t one.

Every incident is different, happening for a different reason.

This kid was failed by the school system. They KNEW he had problems. They KNEW he was capable of this. What were they doing about it?

My prayers are with these victims and their parents, first and foremost.

But also with this shooter. His life is over too, and it should be, but it’s still such a waste.

 

[lifesavacation]

So sick over this.

I wonder about the building design. Every class room should have a locking interior door and an additional way to exit. In one of the videos I saw on the news, the kids were huddled behind the teacher’s desk. They should be taught to only stay and hide if there’s not an alternative exit out.

Also, schools may need to relook at how they handle fire drills. It’s dangerous to have everyone exit into a central hallway during an emergency.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Why wouldn't we want our government to study a major health issue in the US? Isn't that part of the charter of the CDC? I don't understand WHY you would specifically prohibit them from studying a public health issue? Can you imagine them passing a law that said "CDC not to study Ebola." Of course not. It's a political decision to cover up a very inconvenient truth.

Because firearms aren't diseases, they're objects. What possible conclusion could CDC come up with other than, "if this particular object were to be eliminated, there would be no deaths related to its existence"? Is that even useful?

Now, there's nothing to stop the CDC from studying the impact of mental health on our society and violence (firearm or otherwise), is certainly a portion of that.

 

[Happyinwonerland]

I am reluctant to get involved in this conversation because I don't know what the right answer is. However, can you cite a source for 19 school shootings? Obviously, even one is too many... but CNN is reporting four school shootings in 2018. That's a lot fewer than 19. (Still four too many, of course.) https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/school-shootings-in-2018/index.html

CNN states 4 shootings at middle and high schools. The 19 shootings statistic includes shootings on college campuses and one instance where a man killed himself in a elementary school parking lot.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

You know what really gets up my nose? These things keep on happening. People get outraged, trump things around, but quickly gloss over them. Sandy Hook. Orlando. Las Vegas. Sutherland Springs. Luby's. The list is endless. So i implore you - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! I know I'm just Johnny Foreigner, but I imagine that introducing more controls or something similar would proffer a good return on investment!

And on that note, I'll shut up.

Actually, one could argue that the Luby's incident has resulted in action. Quite a bit of action, actually.

 

[LYSE]

It's not a CDC study. In any event, there's recommendations in there for a whole host of additional research that needs to be done to determine effective means to reduce gun violence. None of it's been funded or being done. Gee, I wonder why. Such a mystery.

The point of this "study" was to recommend research areas. That's what it does. Pretty meaningless, however, if the research areas are ignored. It's called "Priorities for Research" .... seems pretty self-explanatory.

I was just linking it, get what you want out of it...there's plenty there for whatever angle your coming from.

As far as it not being a CDC study well its this:

NOTICE: The project that is the subject of this report was approved by the Governing Board of the National Research Council, whose members are drawn from the councils of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine.

This project was supported by awards between the National Academy of Sciences and both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (#200-2011-38807) and the CDC Foundation with the Foundation’s support originating from The Annie E. Casey Foundation, The California Endowment, The California Wellness Foundation, The Joyce Foundation, Kaiser Permanente, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, and one anonymous donor.

 

[Happyinwonerland]

I agree with you, but this is not the time. This is the time to face facts. And grieve.

There will be a time to explore whether more stringent laws would have mattered. There will be a time to explore whether the juvenile justice system (which this young man had participated in) failed. There will be a time to explore whether the mental health services were competent. There will be a time to explore whether the school administration (which had warned teachers about this young man, and had expelled him) failed.

This is not that time.

And people, conservative or liberal, who try to use this moment in time to further their personal political points of view...are pond scum. They're not trying to be helpful. They're trying to either get noticed, or to "take a stand!" That's show-biz.

This is just not the time. It isn't.

Every time this happens, we hear "this isn't the time to talk about gun control, laws, etc"

When is the time? Sometime between now and the next shooting? It's been, what, 3 weeks since the most recent Kentucky school shooting? When do we stop sending "T&Ps" and start making changes. We can't save the kids who were murdered, but we can try to stop it from happening for the kids alive today and the kids who will be born tomorrow. And it will take more than. "T&Ps". It will take action. Difficult, sweeping, action.

 

[Hikergirl]

Next shooting? People are shot and killed every single day in this country. Nobody wants to talk about it until it is a bunch of kids in suburbia.

 

[JaneBanks]

If finding a solution after a classroom full of babies were gunned down was too soon, it will always be too soon.

I have lost all hope for this country after Sandy Hook and the fact that NOTHING happened to stop future shootings. When it comes to this disgusting blight on our country, I no longer have hope in our government.

 

[Hikergirl]

If finding a solution after a classroom full of babies were gunned down was too soon, it will always be too soon.

I have lost all hope for this country after Sandy Hook and the fact that NOTHING happened to stop future shootings. When it comes to this disgusting blight on our country, I no longer have hope in our government.

This is not true.
We are made up of 50 States, not everything has to be done at the Federal level. Start with your State to get changes.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-laws-changed-years-sandy-hook/story?id=51668726

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Hi everyone!

Sorry to interrupt this discussion, but I noticed a number of posts that not only are bordering crossing the line of the DIS Guidelines, but some have definitely crossed them. Please keep in mind that as a Disney family discussion board discussions are fine, but no debating, bringing in politics, insulting others, etc. In other words, please exercise common courtesy. We're already on page 8, and I do not want to have to go back, delete posts, and then watch this thread because people have a hard time being considerate of others. This was a horrible act, and I understand that people want to talk about it, but you all need to work with me here, too, please. Otherwise, I need to close this thread to keep peace on this forum.

Thanks.

 

[ICF]

I don’t know the right answer, but doing nothing sure as hell isnt the answer either.

Kids have enough crap to worry about in school without worrying if they will die on any given day.

It’s not too soon....it wasn’t to soon any of the other times either. Take a look at what other countries do that don’t have this sort of issue and see if we can replicate any of their processes.

JUST TRY SOMETHING!

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

Because firearms aren't diseases, they're objects. What possible conclusion could CDC come up with other than, "if this particular object were to be eliminated, there would be no deaths related to its existence"? Is that even useful?

Now, there's nothing to stop the CDC from studying the impact of mental health on our society and violence (firearm or otherwise), is certainly a portion of that.

Well, the CDC studies motor vehicle safety, and last time I checked cars were objects and not diseases as well. And their studies haven't resulted in eliminating cars from the US, or even recommending to eliminate cars.

The linked item was a report, not a study, recommending multiple areas for further research. Why wouldn't we want those items investigated?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Well, the CDC studies motor vehicle safety, and last time I checked cars were objects and not diseases as well. And their studies haven't resulted in eliminating cars from the US, or even recommending to eliminate cars.

The linked item was a report, not a study, recommending multiple areas for further research. Why wouldn't we want those items investigated?

I knew the car comparison would come up and it's completely apples & oranges. First off, cars aren't typically being used as weapons. The CDC studied ways to make automotive accidents more preventable and survivable. Homicides aren't accidents.

 

[maxaroni]

I have not read the whole thread, so apologize if this was said. I heard that the shooter actually started outside, before entering the school. Therefore, suggesting that the school should have been on lockdown before the shooter was able to get into the school.

With that being said, the schools in our area are all locked, cameras outside and you must get buzzed in. Most schools you must show your ID into the camera before being buzzed in.

Not sure what the answer is but children should not have to worry about going to school. Schools should be a safe place for children. Very sad day.

 

[Jennasis]

I knew the car comparison would come up and it's completely apples & oranges. First off, cars aren't typically being used as weapons. The CDC studied ways to make automotive accidents more preventable and survivable. Homicides aren't accidents.

Cars have very much been used as weapons lately. Charlottesville, NYC, London, France...

 

[anniemae]

So sick over this.

I wonder about the building design. Every class room should have a locking interior door and an additional way to exit. In one of the videos I saw on the news, the kids were huddled behind the teacher’s desk. They should be taught to only stay and hide if there’s not an alternative exit out.

Also, schools may need to relook at how they handle fire drills. It’s dangerous to have everyone exit into a central hallway during an emergency.

Most school rooms do not have an additional exit, but that would be ideal. Having to run out of the room and down a hall to a central exit could take a while and be dangerous. Our school does drills for these situations and the kids are told to huddle together behind the teachers desk. Not sure if the doors lock or not. I heard this particular shooter shot through the glass into the classrooms.

The cell phone videos were terrifying.