Rumors that Disney is in negotiations to sell Star Wars back to George Lucas!

[HokieRaven5]

oh there was a very conspiratorial fan theory (which I was DEFINITELY not a proponent of... ahem...) that the rock Luke is facing at the end of The Force Awakens was actually Mara Jade's gravestone.

That may have been Bouldara Jade, close descendant of Geode.

 

[starlite_]

He didn't. Which was silly, really, because what better way to show that the new Jedi Order learned from the mistakes of the old?

Right? To me Anakin's story showed me that the Jedi might have been working towards good but they were wrong all the same. Their restrictions against family was what ultimately led to their doom.

 

[BrianL]

The Jedi stole babies! It was bad!!!

This may be a topic for another thread.

The Jedi did not steal babies - they were willingly given in universal recognition of a greater good.

 

[BrianL]

Right? To me Anakin's story showed me that the Jedi might have been working towards good but they were wrong all the same. Their restrictions against family was what ultimately led to their doom.

But it was just ONE GUY who made an issue out of it. It worked for everyone else for thousands of years. The issue is Anakin, not the rules. He'd have found something to complain about!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Sigh. He gave his life for his sister and for the Rebellion to live on. Just like Obi Wan did for him. And he did it without killing a single person, which completely fit with the Jedi teachings of Yoda. And again, Lucas was going to make him a grumpy old monk who had lost everything as well.

I wish Magic Box Abrams would've included some nod to Mara Jade.

No way under the sun that Lucas treats Luke the way Rian Johnson did. He may have went away to mourn for a short time, but no way no how, not a chance in the world, he would have fully de-construct his beloved franchise hero the way Johnson did.

The entire issue with the Disney ST is they felt the need to be subtractive with their story telling. All they had to do was be additive instead. Treat the legacy characters with respect and add your new generation of characters for the new generation to fall in love with. The only character that was respected and treated correctly was Leia. Other than the stupid Mary Poppins flying scene she was pretty well respected. So is it a fluke coincidence that the two OT male leads both went out as dead beat losers?

 

[mdmost]

Right? To me Anakin's story showed me that the Jedi might have been working towards good but they were wrong all the same. Their restrictions against family was what ultimately led to their doom.

PT showed me that Jedi were arrogant (bad language in plural form). That's one piece of dialogue I really liked from Last Jedi, Luke calling out the past Jedi for their flaws and arrogance. Again, all of that happening right under their noses, all their noses.

 

[nancipants]

The Jedi did not steal babies - they were willingly given in universal recognition of a greater good.

And I still think the idea that they had to never speak to their biological families again is horrendous. Then again, I am biased. I had one chance to have a child and if someone said he was powerful in the Force and I had to give him away I would be like NOPE. Which is why Shmi Skywalker is actually the strongest person in the Star Wars universe.

 

[BrianL]

No way under the sun that Lucas treats Luke the way Rian Johnson did. He may have went away to mourn for a short time, but no way no how, not a chance in the world, he would have fully de-construct his beloved franchise hero the way Johnson did.

The entire issue with the Disney ST is they felt the need to be subtractive with their story telling. All they had to do was be additive instead. Treat the legacy characters with respect and add your new generation of characters for the new generation to fall in love with. The only character that was respected and treated correctly was Leia. Other than the stupid Mary Poppins flying scene she was pretty well respected. So is it a fluke coincidence that the two OT male leads both went out as dead beat losers?

That's really what you see? That's so...not jsut off-base, but harsh. Heck, Han was basically fawned over by EVERYBODY who saw him in TFA. Respect? They practically melted in his presence! Luke also simply extricated himself for a the equation, the same as those dead beat losers, Obi-Wan and Yoda! What an awful outlook on things.

 

[starlite_]

But it was just ONE GUY who made an issue out of it. It worked for everyone else for thousands of years. The issue is Anakin, not the rules. He'd have found something to complain about!

There are so many things that "worked" for everyone for thousands of years. Doesn't mean they were good things.

Just cause they brainwashed younglings from early childhood doesn't mean it was the right things to do.

 

[BrianL]

And I still think the idea that they had to never speak to their biological families again is horrendous. Then again, I am biased. I had one chance to have a child and if someone said he was powerful in the Force and I had to give him away I would be like NOPE. Which is why Shmi Skywalker is actually the strongest person in the Star Wars universe.

They didn't have to give them if they didn't want to. As far as I know the Jedi didn't force the issue. I think though it was just accepted that one would and should do so becuase of the universal recognition of the Jedi as an inherent good. It is essentailly a religious practice.

 

[mdmost]

That's really wha tyou see? That's so...not jsut off-base, but harsh. Heck, Han was basically fawned over by EVERYBODY who saw him in TFA. Respect? They practically melted in his presence! Luke also simply extricated himself for a the equation, the same as those dead beat losers, Obi-Wan and Yoda! What an awful outlook on things.

We see what we wish to see. Han was respected tremendously. He got the death that Harrison Ford always wanted to give the character more meaning. He led the suicide mission to take down the shield of the Death Star III, err Starkiller. Just like he did in Jedi. Just as Obi Wan's death provided the growth that Luke needed, Han's death provided that to Kylo Ren.

 

[BrianL]

There are so many things that "worked" for everyone for thousands of years. Doesn't mean they were good things.

Just cause they brainwashed younglings from early childhood doesn't mean it was the right things to do.

But, had they allowed it, wouldn't there have been an Anakin Skywalker much sooner? Some Jedi's family was going to meet with tragedy and they would go psycho on everybody - the goal was to prevent that.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

And I still think the idea that they had to never speak to their biological families again is horrendous. Then again, I am biased. I had one chance to have a child and if someone said he was powerful in the Force and I had to give him away I would be like NOPE. Which is why Shmi Skywalker is actually the strongest person in the Star Wars universe.

This came from Samurai lore. You know the entire inspiration for the sword fighting in this World George created.

Still practiced somewhat today in Asia. A young Thai child that shows aptitude in Muay Thai leaves his family to train year round for the nation's national sport. Those kids see their family 1-2 times a year.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

That's really what you see? That's so...not jsut off-base, but harsh. Heck, Han was basically fawned over by EVERYBODY who saw him in TFA. Respect? They practically melted in his presence! Luke also simply extricated himself for a the equation, the same as those dead beat losers, Obi-Wan and Yoda! What an awful outlook on things.

Yes 100% what I see. The Disney ST was textbook subtractive story telling.

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to" - Disney Star Wars

 

[nancipants]

They didn't have to give them if they didn't want to. As far as I know the Jedi didn't force the issue. I think though it was just accepted that one would and should do so becuase of the universal recognition of the Jedi as an inherent good. It is essentailly a religious practice.

I respect your argument, but still disagree.

(See how easy that is!)

 

[mdmost]

Yes 100% what I see. The Disney ST was textbook subtractive story telling.

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to" - Disney Star Wars

Villain in the movie, you mean. Rey didn't let the past die or kill it. She used it and kept the past (THE SACRED JEDI TEXTS!) to help her build on what she had learned.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Villain in the movie, you mean. Rey didn't let the past die or kill it. She used it and kept the past (THE SACRED JEDI TEXTS!) to help her build on what she had learned.

And stole the true hero's name in the process

 

[BrianL]

Yes 100% what I see. The Disney ST was textbook subtractive story telling.

"Let the past die, kill it if you have to" - Disney Star Wars

NO, that quote is from THE BAD GUY of the movie and is PROVEN WRONG by the end of the SAME FILM.

 

[nancipants]

Wait, what? Star Wars is based on samurai culture??? NO! I never would have guessed, especially from watching any of Dave Filoni's shows.

 

[starlite_]

But, had they allowed it, wouldn't there have been an Anakin Skywalker much sooner? Some Jedi's family was going to meet with tragedy and they would go psycho on everybody - the goal was to prevent that.

How do we know there wasn't? Anakin just came in at the worse timing for the Jedi.

Nothing you say will change my mind about the Jedi. They were good yes, but they were still wrong in how they did things. I think it's important to acknowledge that good ppl aren't paragons of virtue or always do the right thing.