Rogue One catch all thread

Looks like a $155 million opening.

That's definitely better than anticipated...I saw $120-130 last week...

I actually thought they'd get to 165+...

The legs of this is gonna be the big thing...I never expected it to have the phenomenal first 3-4 weeks of the Farce...but I think it could be "longterm" strong...as was the way when the studios didn't crank out cgi tentpoles 5 times a week.
 
I thought it was a very good, but not great movie. Better then the "bad" movies (Prequels/ROTJ) but not quite up to the "best movies" Definite worth a viewing or two though.

Review:
The first act was the best for me. It was visually different and had the most gritty parts of the movie. The character were introduced well, especially Chirrut Îmwe and K-2SO who had some stand out scenes. The first act also posed questions that unfortunately were dropped after the first act of the movie. Watching Cassian in the first scenes and later Saw Gerrera really showed the Rebellion (and the splinter cell Rebellion) in different light. It is a shame that some of the acts (Cassian killing the informant, and then killing one of Saw men in the street battle) are never really touched on. Also the interrogation/torture of Bodhi Rook is never really examined (cool monster though). The destruction of Jedha was a powerful moment though, maybe more then the ending.

I feel the movie falls off the second act in a big, but not movie breaking way. The second act just felt unnecessary. First is Krennic meeting Vader. While it was interesting to see Vader "at home" I really did not see the point of the scenes other than to just introduce Vader to the movie. Nothing really progressed in it. Although I can forgive it in a fanboy way to see Vader in the Bacta Tank and the return to Mustafar.

Worse though were the detour to Edo (sp?). It really provided nothing. No new information was really gained (they knew from the hologram message that they needed to go to Scariff already) and the Jyn/Galen reunion was to cliche and short to really mean anything. With no evidence or proof and just talking out my sides the second act seems made up on the fly to pad the runtime after movie runtime came up short or because the reshoots changed the plot around and they needed it to clear up some loose ends (mainly Galen who all his scenes could of taken place on Scariff with no affect on the movie).

The act act things picked up greatly. The movie did fall into a little more "standard movie mode" (It seems like when there is not a Death Star to blow up the next best thing Star Wars movies fall back to is taking shields down) but made up for it with great action and cameos and (mostly) earned emotional sacrifices. Like the first act of the movie everyone had there moment, both in heroics and sacrifice. Everything moves briskly and there are no slow parts. The ending is sad but hopeful. It does make watching A New Hope a better experience and even downplays Luke a little bit which is nice. While Luke is instrumental in the Rebellion victory watching Rogue One makes me think that if not Luke, someone would of stepped up in his place. When Yoda (admitally in Empire) says there is "another" I now have the feeling the Rebellions was full of Lukes ready to make there mark.

Random thoughts;

I thought the plot was a little needlessly complicated. Rebellion needs Jyn, to find Saw, to Get Rook, to find Galen, to get to Scariff, to get plans. That seems like one to many steps.

The same complication happens in the end. I cannot even describe the steps, but the short version is: Find plans, get to dish, Rook connects a wire, another guy flips a switch, now dish needs to be aligned, ect. It gave people things to do in the end but still a little much for me.

Chirrut was one of the best parts of the movie. Loved his devotion to the Force and his friendship with Baze really shown through. Especially in the end. I could totally see both of them becoming force ghosts and hanging out together. Although I so though his walking stick in the end was going to turn out to be a lightsaber and he was going to use it to deflect the shots until he got to the switch.

I also loved how Saw Gerrera was like a proto Darth Vader. From his robotics to his breathing.

No trouble with the Cameos or CGI characters. I was surprised how big of a part Tarkin had. But it was a good surprise.

Darth Vader in the end. Both epic and a little silly. Epic in seeing him really show his brutality. But a little silly seeing how the one guy at the end of the very short hallway kept screaming for people to take the disc yet Vader takes his time getting to him. Give him a force yank away from the door real fast. I would of loved to see a longer version of this scene though with the disc being passed through multiple people sacrificing themselves to protect the dish.

While the movie focused on a Jyn and a few people in the Rebellion not enough credit goes to the unnamed people who gave there lives up for Jyn. From soldiers volunteering for the mission to the pilots in space bringing down Star Destroyers, this was a team mission through and through and I liked how it was not just one person saving the day.

Order of sacrifices in emotional weight:
Honorary Mention: Everyone in the Rebellion or on Jedha/Scariff who died
1. K-2SO
2. Chirrut Îmwe
3. Galen Erso
4. Baze Malbus (
5. Bodhi Rook (not enough time with the character for big impact but the suddenness of his death gives it the gritty edge.
6. Jyn and Cassian (to cliche with a romantic component really not needed)

Finals Thoughts:
Rogue One might not be a movie that needed to be told, but now that it has I am glad it was. It opened the world up and showed a imperfect rebellion finding hope. Some of darker themes in the movie are dropped in favor of standard storytelling by the end, and the middle of the movie is redundant and unnecessary, but the highs (and emotional lows) of the movie outweigh them to make a movie that, ending considered, still makes you (or at least me) leave the movie uplifted.

8/10 for me.

6 (personal favorite)
5 (best)
R1 (just a modern/better visual than 1977)
4
Distant 7
Who cares?

That's my rankings
 
I read the review that was posted earlier about taking kids, and he worked it up that there were some very deeply intense/disturbing scenes. Did you find this to be true? I have a 9 & 6 year old who are SW obsessed and want to go. They've seen the original 3 (as in the very first ones released), plus Force Awakens and hve been fine with them. We're just debating on whether to take them or not.


They'll be fine. Just saw it with my 6 and 8 year old boys, who have seen all the other SW movies, and they were not disturbed in the least.
 

My rankings are...

4 (yes, I know empire is a better movie I just love this one)
5
Rogue one
6
7
3
1
2


I'm worried that passengers will disrupt potential rogue one money. It's another sci Fi with two huge stars
 
I'd go personally (today, could change tomorrow or tonight)
5
4
R1
3
2
6
1

7 is TBD. I think its place will be judged better once 8/9 are released.

Lol...attack of the clones? Seriously?

I need a backstory on that...the worst acting of any Star Wars by far...the awful kindergarten boba fett story to sell toys?

No...I need an explanation on this one?
 
"Episode 2" is on TNT...

I tried to watch 10 minutes...it's disgustingly bad...the dialogue is only bested in its awfulness by the acting and the cgi.

I'm convinced george lucas was just messing with the entire planet...had to be
 
"Episode 2" is on TNT...

I tried to watch 10 minutes...it's disgustingly bad...the dialogue is only bested in its awfulness by the acting and the cgi.

I'm convinced george lucas was just messing with the entire planet...had to be
They have had. Star Wars marathon all weekend long.
 
What romantic component?!?!? There was no "romance!" Just two humans of opposite sex about to meet their maker. Most pairs would hug in that situation, I would think.
 
What romantic component?!?!? There was no "romance!" Just two humans of opposite sex about to meet their maker. Most pairs would hug in that situation, I would think.

I think that was handled well enough as well...nothing was "perfect"...but the movie I believe was the sum of more than it's parts.

The only movie with less bad acting and dialogue was empire...though Jedi wasn't bad from that standpoint...they just copied the basic plot and put ewoks in there - so it will be snickered at forever.

And yet few criticize TFA for the same dumb things...same general plot and that idiocy about the "map"
 
Got to see it last night!!! Yep - it was pretty awesome and I want to see it again. Good to finally be able to read everyone's thoughts! I did not need more character development; I thought what we got was enough.

I read the review that was posted earlier about taking kids, and he worked it up that there were some very deeply intense/disturbing scenes. Did you find this to be true? I have a 9 & 6 year old who are SW obsessed and want to go. They've seen the original 3 (as in the very first ones released), plus Force Awakens and hve been fine with them. We're just debating on whether to take them or not.

I was worried about it being "disturbing" too. However, after seeing it myself (and DH said this after he watched it first), I would say my fears were largely unfounded. Both my younger boys would have been completely fine with the "gritty" scenes. And, it really is no more disturbing than any of the other movies. To me, the early scene in TFA where the villagers are all rounded up and killed was emotionally more difficult than any of the scenes in R1.

For us, the question now is will it hold their interest. DS9 was pretty mad that DH & I went without him yesterday. But he's kind of unpredictable in what will hold his attention and what won't. He didn't particularly love/stay interested in TFA - he got very restless with about 30-45 minutes left in that movie. But, he loved GotG! DS10 could take it or leave it - not a huge SW fan.
 
Lol...attack of the clones? Seriously?

I need a backstory on that...the worst acting of any Star Wars by far...the awful kindergarten boba fett story to sell toys?

No...I need an explanation on this one?

Excluding Episode 5 (the best) and Episode 4 ( for member berries) All other Star Wars movies are flawed in one way or another, but at the same time have shining moments. For me it is looking at the highs and lows moments and seeing how they stack up.

So for example (and not going through every high and low) Phantom Menace (which I rated last) has high points in the final Duel of Fate battle, Liam Neeson, and Palpatines plan. But that does not override Jar Jar, Anakin starting to young (and saying yippee to many times) and the whole Padme/Queen Decoy sideplot.

Return of the Jedi gets some props for the final space battle, the Emperor, and Luke being kinda a badass in the beginning going into Jabbas place. But it lose points for anything regarding Ewoks (which is much more Lucas selling out to toys then Jango Fett ever was), Boba Fett getting bested by a blind Han, Yoda sounding like Super Grover, and the whole "Shes your sister" twist.

So for Attack of the Clones we get lows like the whole Anakin/Padme romance and some horrible dialogue associated with it, and also the R2D2 video game level towards the end, but gains for a pretty good opening chase scene, Christopher Lee, expanded parts for Mace Windu and Yoda, And the Clone subplot in general with hidden planets is pretty good. Parts with Anakin and Padme are bad, parts with Obi Wan (with or without Anakin) are pretty good. Watching the only time we will probably ever see lots of Jedi kick *** along with Stormtroopers that actually can shoot is pretty excellent.

Again thats not every high/low for each of the movies but in the end AOTC highs/lows average out better the PM or ROTJ highs/lows for me.
 
I can't help myself, I've read all the spoilers and not seen the movie yet. I won't get to see it until next week.

Torture.

I'm in the same boat...I agreed to do an outing to see it with my husband, step son, my mom and my dad as part of Christmas festivities on the 23rd. However, my mom is not a Star Wars fan, although the original (Ep. 4) was her and dad's first movie date back in the day. So I read the spoilers to give her an out, if need be. I also wanted to have an idea of what might happen for my step son who is 12, but really more like 10 emotionally/maturity wise.

But now I feel as though I'm torturing myself...
 
1. Rewatched the teaser trailer and I was amazed how much didn't make it to the movie. Some of it doesn't even fit into the story we got. I loved the movie but I still really want to see as many of these deleted/reworked scenes as possible on the bonus menus for the blu ray. If its a finished scene I hope there is an extended edition that adds the younger (bald) Saw giving the "what will you become" speech to what is likely a very young Jyn.

2.a No Star Wars title block was sorely missed.
2.b No Summery on the opening scroll of when we were and what was going on was also missed

3. The music score was not bad but it was not a memorable character like it should be. They really missed fusing in the classic themes (Imperial, Vader & The Force) with the new stuff they did. That being said the person was a fill in that only had 3-4 weeks to write this after the orignal person backed out.

4. Need to see it in IMAX!
 
"Episode 2" is on TNT...

I tried to watch 10 minutes...it's disgustingly bad...the dialogue is only bested in its awfulness by the acting and the cgi.

I'm convinced george lucas was just messing with the entire planet...had to be

Episode 2 may be one of the worst movies ever made. I know when I'm starting an 'epic romance' I want my man to tell me how unlike I am from sand.

It is a shame though, I actually really enjoy the soundtrack for Attack of the Clones. Padme and Anakin suck, but their theme is beautiful.

What romantic component?!?!? There was no "romance!" Just two humans of opposite sex about to meet their maker. Most pairs would hug in that situation, I would think.

Oh gosh I don't even want to read what you're referring. Maybe those 2 could have got together given a lot more time. I mean, they're both really good looking so yeah, they were probably like...that other person is really good looking. Maybe if we're ever not fighting for our lives we can get space coffee. You might be able to interpret their scenes together as something brewing...but nothing ever really comes to the surface.
 














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